Thoughts on this 69?

[PrisonHack]

http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/pts/5914442861.html

[BrianShaughnessy]

69 with bench seat?   

Well... it's a start for somebody.   I've seen worse.

[comet_666]

8K for a body that will need at least 20K of work? hmmmm

[PrisonHack]

  Yeah seemed a bit higher to me, I emailed him for more pictures but haven't heard anything yet

[hemi-hampton]

If I lived in Texas I'd be looking for & buying a more Solid rustfree Texas car. That car looks more like a typical Michigan or northern rust bucket car. why do people in south buy & bring down northern rust buckets, I thought it went the other way, we in the north bring them up from the south? LEON.

[PrisonHack]

  I'm not in Texas, but I'm only about 10 hours north of a Houston in Arkansas. Finding a 2nd gen charger for sales under 10k is as rare as hens teeth from what I've seen. Does look pretty rough though.

[tan top]

 

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

$2,000



Wonder what he paid for it, then dragged home and realized he'd overpaid for junk? 

[hemi-hampton]

  I'm not in Texas, but I'm only about 10 hours north of a Houston in Arkansas. Finding a 2nd gen charger for sales under 10k is as rare as hens teeth from what I've seen. Does look pretty rough though.

Was kinda talking to the guy selling it in Dallas Craigslist that said he just bought it. I'll rephrase my question. Why would anybody in any southern state sout east or south west  or south buy a northern rust bucket.

[JR]

2k? Where do some of you guys come up with your valuations from? It isnt 1985 anymore, and I cant remember the last time I saw a buildable 2nd gen body sell anywhere near that.

This car could be a total rust bucket, but its a 69 Charger for under 10k.

I'll bet it's sold in under a week.

[birdsandbees]

Nice steelies... what's the part number??   

[Mike DC]

2k? Where do some of you guys come up with your valuations from? It isnt 1985 anymore, and I cant remember the last time I saw a buildable 2nd gen body sell anywhere near that.

This car could be a total rust bucket, but its a 69 Charger for under 10k.

I'll bet it's sold in under a week.

This.    

The going rate for a 2nd-gen project is not "start with the finished restored value and subtract the price of taking it there."   That sounds like a nice world but it's not the one we live in.  



It's a rustbucket but he didn't even say it needed subframes.  For a 50-year-old project car that hasn't had preservation/resto work done over the years, that's not so bad anymore.  Even in Texas.  

If it had enough preservation/resto work to make a difference, then the owners would have invested much more in it over the decades.  That  would have put the car into a higher price bracket years ago.   

[PrisonHack]

I asked for frame rail and torsion bar pictures, I'll update this when/if he responds

[lukedukem]

Good luck, I'm emailed him last week when it first hit craigslist. Still no reply
And it's advertised in San Antonio, Houston, corpus. But I think he's in Katy.
Let me know what he says

Luke

[PrisonHack]

It's been a couple of days since I emailed him, nothing yet.

[PrisonHack]

2k? Where do some of you guys come up with your valuations from? It isnt 1985 anymore, and I cant remember the last time I saw a buildable 2nd gen body sell anywhere near that.

This car could be a total rust bucket, but its a 69 Charger for under 10k.

I'll bet it's sold in under a week.

That's kinda what was thinking, 8k seems a bit high but not out of this world high, I was thinking 6500. If there are cars like this to be had for 2k I'm not finding them anywhere. I know I will never have enough extra $ for a turn key car or even a rust free roller. I foresee me rolling with a bit of bondo, wavy body panels and a hodgepodge interior. That's just me being realistic

[Sublime/Sixpack]

Having looked at the asking price, the few photos included and read the ad description, I say one would have to want a '69 Charger awfully bad to go after that one!

The seller says it's "non running but engine is good".

If it doesn't run how would he know the engine is good?  And if the engine is good, why not do a little work to it and get it running? Especially when asking $8000.00 for the car. Some people will say anything to make a sale!  

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

Having looked at the asking price, the few photos included and read the ad description, I say one would have to want a '69 Charger awfully bad to go after that one!

The seller says it's "non running but engine is good".

If it doesn't run how would he know the engine is good?  And if the engine is good, why not do a little work to it and get it running? Especially when asking $8000.00 for the car. Some people will say anything to make a sale!  

Yep, one would have to be pretty desperate to pay that kind of money for a car which, aside from the glass and some chrome, is junk.  :Two cents:

The problem with this car - and any car like it, is that it needs a TON of work. The kind of work most "fathers and sons" dream about, but cannot fulfill. I bet the owner got the car home and realizing it was a POS, put it for sale again. And what did they pay for it? Probably less... 

Most people overpay for cars. I don't.   YMMV.

[PrisonHack]

  Since there are a lot of people saying it's junk and way over priced I'd like to know what I should expect at that price point. I'm not trying to be argumentative or anything, I've just never seen a second gen Charger with a running engine under 15k and I certainly haven't seen one under 10k. From the research I've been doing for over a year now I'm expecting a non running car needing metal repair at the below 10k price point. Are my expectations too low?

[lukedukem]

If I lived in Texas I'd be looking for & buying a more Solid rustfree Texas car. That car looks more like a typical Michigan or northern rust bucket car. why do people in south buy & bring down northern rust buckets, I thought it went the other way, we in the north bring them up from the south? LEON.

That's why we have to bring them down here. All the Texas ones move north 

Luke

[Sublime/Sixpack]

  Since there are a lot of people saying it's junk and way over priced I'd like to know what I should expect at that price point. I'm not trying to be argumentative or anything, I've just never seen a second gen Charger with a running engine under 15k and I certainly haven't seen one under 10k. From the research I've been doing for over a year now I'm expecting a non running car needing metal repair at the below 10k price point. Are my expectations too low?

I'm not trying to bad mouth this car or discourage you from looking into it. My perspective is going to be different than your's. From my perspective $8000.00 is way too much for that car. Its going to require a lot of time, work, and money! If the engine was running so you could hear it and if it checked out good that would be a plus, but the seller says it isn't running.
If after looking the car over real well you feel that it's worth making an offer on it I wish you good luck and hope it works out for you.
Personally I don't believe what the seller said about wanting sell this '69 Charger because he really wants a '68 Charger. I try not to assume anything but my guess is he bought it, got it home, then reality set in and he realized that he had made a big mistake in buying it. Or he bought it hoping to flip it and make money from the deal. Something along those lines.
Sounds like you've been searching out these cars for some time and you're probably more up on what they're selling for these days than I am. I just don't like to see people get burned when making a purchase.
My advice would be to check it out really well, be objective, realistic, keep your emotions out of the equation and if you think you're up to the challenge of restoring it make a reasonable offer.
I don't know if any of this helps you in making your decision, but again, I'm sure my perspective is different than yours would be on this car. Let us know how it goes.

[cdr]

car looks like junk to me 

[JR]

I'm not saying the car is or isn't buildable, but again, if 8k is out of line for this car, can you guys post up a better car for the same money?

Or are you telling the OP not to bother buying one at all until he has a 20-30k budget? 

[1974dodgecharger]

8K for a body that will need at least 20K of work? hmmmm

send it off to US Cartool 16500 and the body will be built with new stuff all of it.

[Kern Dog]

Yeah... Then you are almost $25,000 into a car that still needs everything else!

[Mike DC]

                              
There are people all over the world who wouldn't pay $1000 for a perfect condition '71 HemiCuda.  Some of them don't know what it's worth.  Others don't have $1000 to give.  But the bottom line is that the car is worth less than $1000 to them.

It doesn't mean HemiCudas are $1000 cars. 


Like it or not, the going rate is the accurate value today.    

[RCCDrew]

I bought my 69 in about that body condition, but running and driving for $7k about a year ago. In Texas. Wasn't a Craigslist buy though. Hope this helps.

[CRW-FK5]

See if he has a picture of the fender tag.

[Mikesmoparperformance]

Nice Project but it does not run so take it home for 5.000 it is worth the money put in to it.. 69 Chargers are rare cars 50 years old almost so it can be much worse then this.

[PrisonHack]

  I appreciate all of the input, I value all the opinions on this board for sure. It doesn't look like this guy is interested in answering emails for additional pictures.

[lukedukem]

  I appreciate all of the input, I value all the opinions on this board for sure. It doesn't look like this guy is interested in answering emails for additional pictures.

yeah, i still haven't gotten a reply for my email. i asked to make an appointment to come see the car, lol
he probably has 100s of them in his inbox.

Luke

[lukedukem]

here is another one for sale close by Dallas area, less of a car but more money.
http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/5912944057.html

Luke

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

Yeah... Then you are almost $25,000 into a car that still needs everything else!

Exactly!! Which is why it'll be an unfinished project for some time. Until a sucker decides to "restore it" and gets into it for way more than it's worth  

FWIW, I confirmed with a good friend of mine who's known his fair share of junk, and said this car fits the description. $2,000 is top dollar. If it were a numbers matching R/T, then the price would be right.    But it isn't...

[PrisonHack]

I'll take one like that for 2k in a heartbeat if you can find me one LOL

[Mike DC]

Exactly!! Which is why it'll be an unfinished project for some time. Until a sucker decides to "restore it" and gets into it for way more than it's worth  Twocents

FWIW, I confirmed with a good friend of mine who's known his fair share of junk, and said this car fits the description. $2,000 is top dollar. If it were a numbers matching R/T, then the price would be right.  scratchchin  B

That's just it.  You're talking about what it 'should be' worth based on the resto cost.  That's where you might value it but not necessarily the market value.


I'm not trying to say your logic is wrong.  But it's an opinion.  The current selling prices are fact.

Not everyone looking for a project car intends to do the same restoration on it.  Some people build race cars.  Some build customs.  Some people just want one today even if it costs more in the long run.  Anyone wanting to restore the car has to out-bid all those other buyers.  The "wrong" buyers' money is just as good. 

[hemi-hampton]

I'm not saying the car is or isn't buildable, but again, if 8k is out of line for this car, can you guys post up a better car for the same money?

Or are you telling the OP not to bother buying one at all until he has a 20-30k budget? 

Buying a solid rustfree complete running car for $30,000 will save you money in the long run, Compared to buying a rust bucket parts car basket case. Most people learn this the hard way after it's to late. LEON.

[PrisonHack]

I'm not saying the car is or isn't buildable, but again, if 8k is out of line for this car, can you guys post up a better car for the same money?

Or are you telling the OP not to bother buying one at all until he has a 20-30k budget? 

Buying a solid rustfree complete running car for $30,000 will save you money in the long run, Compared to buying a rust bucket parts car basket case. Most people learn this the hard way after it's to late. LEON.

I don't doubt that's true, but a lot of people aren't working with that kind of budget and have to do things a piece at a time.

[hemi-hampton]

If it takes you 5 years to put $30k into the car you bought 5 years earlier. Just save up for another 5 years instead before you buy. Problem solved. LEON.

[JR]

Yeah... Then you are almost $25,000 into a car that still needs everything else!

Exactly!! Which is why it'll be an unfinished project for some time. Until a sucker decides to "restore it" and gets into it for way more than it's worth  

FWIW, I confirmed with a good friend of mine who's known his fair share of junk, and said this car fits the description. $2,000 is top dollar. If it were a numbers matching R/T, then the price would be right.    But it isn't...

Where is your friend finding comparable 69 charger bodies for 2k? Tell him I'll take five of them.

[PrisonHack]

Yeah... Then you are almost $25,000 into a car that still needs everything else!

Exactly!! Which is why it'll be an unfinished project for some time. Until a sucker decides to "restore it" and gets into it for way more than it's worth  

FWIW, I confirmed with a good friend of mine who's known his fair share of junk, and said this car fits the description. $2,000 is top dollar. If it were a numbers matching R/T, then the price would be right.    But it isn't...

Where is your friend finding comparable 69 charger bodies for 2k? Tell him I'll take five of them.

That's what I'm saying, sign me up for two at 2k a piece

[RCCDrew]

I'll take two as well.

[PrisonHack]

If it takes you 5 years to put $30k into the car you bought 5 years earlier. Just save up for another 5 years instead before you buy. Problem solved. LEON.

I don't think it would take me 30k to bring that to an acceptable to me level.  I'm not looking for car show quality

[1974dodgecharger]

If it takes you 5 years to put $30k into the car you bought 5 years earlier. Just save up for another 5 years instead before you buy. Problem solved. LEON.

We live in an impatient world and it does not mean only young people are impatient even the older generation are since they cant avoid it. 

[cdr]

I paid 7k for my car in 2011 it was a lot better than the 69 you are looking at, I did EVERYTHING myself, & I have more than 35k in it, it aint a trailer queen LOL.

[hemi-hampton]

I paid 7k for my car in 2011 it was a lot better than the 69 you are looking at, I did EVERYTHING myself, & I have more than 35k in it, it aint a trailer queen LOL.

Yeah, I know, that's what I'm saying. People gotta learn the hard way. 

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

Yeah... Then you are almost $25,000 into a car that still needs everything else!

Exactly!! Which is why it'll be an unfinished project for some time. Until a sucker decides to "restore it" and gets into it for way more than it's worth  

FWIW, I confirmed with a good friend of mine who's known his fair share of junk, and said this car fits the description. $2,000 is top dollar. If it were a numbers matching R/T, then the price would be right.    But it isn't...

Where is your friend finding comparable 69 charger bodies for 2k? Tell him I'll take five of them.

He's a Chevelle guy, but knows junk when he sees it... And that roach of a Charger is junk.

Look, what's the "market" being based upon? People overpaying for cars and never restoring them?

I can tell you the last Charger I bought (a 1969 383 car, numbers matching, and rust free) was bought for a fraction of what one would have to dump into that car to get it to the same...   So why do that? It's been said that some need to do it one piece at a time, and I respect that. but to say the asking price is right, is a crack dream.  

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

Buying a solid rustfree complete running car for $30,000 will save you money in the long run, Compared to buying a rust bucket parts car basket case. Most people learn this the hard way after it's to late. LEON.

+1 for truth 

[Mike DC]

  

Look, what's the "market" being based upon? People overpaying for cars and never restoring them?

Yes.  That's a major component of the market value.

The accurate figure is whatever it takes to buy one today, crazy or not.  


Guys like us say it shouldn't be worth much until the rust is fixed.  That's our opinion.  

Thousands of treehuggers would say even the nicest '69 Charger shouldn't be worth anything until it has an electric conversion.  It's a bad investment when you can buy a new Prius for much less total cost.  That's their opinion.    

[Kern Dog]

How come the scouting agents for the Fast and Furious movie crew are not hot on this one ? It would at least go out in a blaze of "glory".

[Mike DC]

   
Hollywood uses its share of bad cars.  With a couple gallons of bondo on the panels + a rollcage to hold it in shape, we never know the difference.   

[Kern Dog]

That was my point. I recall articles on the Dukes 2005 movie, the Fast and Furious 2 orange Challenger, etc. Bondo, rivets, mediocre paint and NO close ups!

[Mike DC]

Yep. 

Even a lot of the closeup cars aren't great.  They're just less bad.

It's like that with all movie/theater props.  Costumes, building sets, etc.  It all looks so good from 10 feet away but it's so crummy when you get close enough to touch it.

[lukedukem]

Yep. 

Even a lot of the closeup cars aren't great.  They're just less bad.

It's like that with all movie/theater props.  Costumes, building sets, etc.  It all looks so good from 10 feet away but it's so crummy when you get close enough to touch it.

Sounds like my car. 

Luke