Fender scoops Daytona vs Superbird

[70 sublime]

I was out today rounding up some parts for my clone build
Drove 2 hours to get a pair of 68 Charger bucket seats that need recovering to look 69 and a 70 Charger driver side fender
When I get there the fender was not there but ended up being at his brothers house another 3 hours away farther than I had already come
Oh well I will just get the seats and then told him that I needed the fender for my clone
He says his brother is coming next weekend and can bring both fenders and the guy from today would bring them the rest of the way to my house next weekend
Cool

So just sitting around shooting the breeze on the tail gate of my truck for a bit before I head back and he says "You know what I have a friend with a couple of  Charger R/T door scoops AND a pair of fender scoops off a Daytona that he pulled off a car in a wrecking yard a long time ago and they are just sitting on a shelf collecting dust and would I be interested ? "
cough cough Yes I think I might be interested 

So now I have to wait to see what happens

So my question is

Is there a difference between a Daytona and a Superbird scoop and how could you tell if they just handed it to you ?

[Aero426]

They are visibly different.  Daytona is quite a bit flatter on top. 

[DAY CLONA]

Is there a difference between a Daytona and a Superbird scoop and how could you tell if they just handed it to you ?

A Superbird scoop will have 5 individual tapered stud standoffs, the Daytona will have 1 standoff, all the side (4) mounting provisions will be bosses molded into the side of the scoop, the rear opening of a Superbird scoop is very arched, the Daytona has a flat top

I'd suggest you purchase the scoops regardless, you could always sell them if you can't use them


Superbird top/Daytona bottom

[DAY CLONA]

Superbird

[DAY CLONA]

Daytona

[70 sublime]

Thanks
That makes it easy to tell 

[70 sublime]

Is there a left and right or are the Daytona scoops both the same ?

Next question what is something like that worth ?

I would be happy if they asked $100 each for something they pulled off a car 30 years ago and might have paid $20 for and just left on a shelf

I am not made of big bucks and can find other things to spend money on for my car at the moment
I know I would kick myself in the butt if I let them slip out of my hands if I have a chance to get them but I think it would be the very last part I would put on to finish my car off
I guess a better question would be is how much would an after market scoop cost me to put on my car when I get to that point ?
Fiberglass or does anyone make a metal version ?

[DAY CLONA]

Is there a left and right or are the Daytona scoops both the same ?

Next question what is something like that worth ?

I would be happy if they asked $100 each for something they pulled off a car 30 years ago and might have paid $20 for and just left on a shelf

I am not made of big bucks and can find other things to spend money on for my car at the moment
I know I would kick myself in the butt if I let them slip out of my hands if I have a chance to get them but I think it would be the very last part I would put on to finish my car off
I guess a better question would be is how much would an after market scoop cost me to put on my car when I get to that point ?
Fiberglass or does anyone make a metal version ?

There's a left and right scoop for both bird and tona, the Daytona are harder to tell apart side to side, but if you place both the bottoms touching one another the driver's side scoop is approx 1/4"- 3/8" wider at the base, because the driver's fender is slightly wider than the passengers IIRC

As far as value of used original scoops, Daytonas are on the bottom scale price wise, generally $500-$1000 for a set depending on condition, Superbird scoops pull in the biggest coin, with even junk pieces pulling $500-$1000 pr, nice pieces are generally $1000+-$2000 pr

Aftermarket scoops vary in price from as cheap as $100 pr up to $600pr depending on the mfg, cheap ones usually have no mounting provisions, just a shell, Daytona scoops are relatively common on the market, Superbird scoops are plentiful too, but finding a set with the 5 tapered mounting studs as original is a challenge because of the difficulty in making them, the best Daytona scoops on the market are made by Ted Janak/WWBP, my scoops rate a second as the underside is mat finished, not smooth as original or like Ted Janeks (unless you want to sand them out), my Superbird scoops are the only ones that I know of to date that have the mounting studs as original on the market, other mfg's will display photos showing the studs, but when the scoops arrive, they're just bare shells with no mounting provisions


FYI...my Daytona scoops are $250 pr, Superbird scoops are $400pr (all fiberglass w/SS mounting studs)
Mike

[Aero426]

Is there a left and right or are the Daytona scoops both the same ?

Next question what is something like that worth ?

I would be happy if they asked $100 each for something they pulled off a car 30 years ago and might have paid $20 for and just left on a shelf

I am not made of big bucks and can find other things to spend money on for my car at the moment
I know I would kick myself in the butt if I let them slip out of my hands if I have a chance to get them but I think it would be the very last part I would put on to finish my car off
I guess a better question would be is how much would an after market scoop cost me to put on my car when I get to that point ?
Fiberglass or does anyone make a metal version ?

There are people here looking for OEM undamaged Daytona scoops.    Buy them if you can.     Resell the OEM scoops, order the repops and put the extra money towards your project.   

[odcics2]

All Daytona scoops are not the same...
The 88 had what I call a hybrid, at least on the right side.
Kinda 1/2 way between the pics shown above for both cars.
Perhaps, they are very early production or prototype parts?
Both have 3412xxx part numbers.

[DAY CLONA]

All Daytona scoops are not the same...
The 88 had what I call a hybrid, at least on the right side.
Kinda 1/2 way between the pics shown above for both cars.
Perhaps, they are very early production or prototype parts?
Both have 3412xxx part numbers.

Agreed, as far as the "glass" scoops, I've seen a very small handfull of early versions with mat finish on the underside on early build cars, I assume, as well as was told that some early cars (perhaps test models or press vehicles) had hand laid parts, regarding the scoops, and that also a hand full of early cars didn't have scoops because they were still being tooled, plus I've seen 2 different boss location on the smooth underside production scoops, then there's the metal fabricated scoops (daytona and bird) on the race wingcars, those all vary as well


Mike

[odcics2]

I also agree with you, except the ones on the race #88 are plastic, like any other "production" wing car scoop I have ever seen.

The metal scoops are just the fender slit and pounded up with a bit of metal added along each side, as required, per the body guys discretion! 

[70 sublime]

So factory 1969 Daytona scoops are plastic of some sort ?

[DAY CLONA]

So factory 1969 Daytona scoops are plastic of some sort ?

Generally they are referred to as "fiberglass", but in reality the production street scoops are by trade name made with "Cosmoplast", which is basically ground fiberglass, and polyester resin mixed creating a FRP (fiberglass reinforced plastic), Chrysler used this technique to mfg most of it's production body scoops, trim pieces, and other assorted "fiberglass" body components, it was then injected into a mold, heated, then the finished part removed, much faster than actually laying up a true fiberglass mat structure/component either by hand or chopper gun


Hate to say it, but Cosmoplast defined today would be basically, a polyester "bondo", ground polyester "glass" and polyester resins, along with other agents held in suspension until a catalyst is added to solidify it

[70 sublime]

Thanks
Good to know

For some reason I always thought they were made out of that white metal type of stuff

[odcics2]

My scoops inside and outside surfaces are both finished to a smooth, paintable standard and the part number molded into the bottom, even though the scoop is not "flat" like all the later production pieces I have seen since 1969.

For being made of "bondo", they held up extremely well. 
I never knew the correct name for the part is Cosmoplast. Thanks for that info! 

Oh, there was also "real' bondo used to smooth out the front end seams- nose, valance, fender...

When I was a kid the local auto parts store used to sell a pink colored material by the gallon labeled "DBF".   

We called it Detroit Body Filler!   

[70 sublime]

Are the 70 Charger R/T door scoops made the same way as the Daytona fender scoops ?

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Yes.

[odcics2]

Super Bee hood scoops, 71-2 Road Runner air grabber and the 70s Dart snorkel scoop are other uses that come to mind.

Who invented Cosmoplast?     

[DAY CLONA]

Super Bee hood scoops, 71-2 Road Runner air grabber and the 70s Dart snorkel scoop are other uses that come to mind.

Who invented Cosmoplast?     

Cosmoplast was the product trade name of the Canadian supplier to Chrysler for fiberglass components

[Mytur Binsdirti]

They built them in Cosmo's Factory.

[odcics2]

They built them in Cosmo's Factory.

EXCELLANT album...   

[Aero426]

They built them in Cosmo's Factory.

EXCELLANT album...   

I heard that through the grapevine.

[thehemikid]

They built them in Cosmo's Factory.

EXCELLANT album...   

I heard that through the grapevine.

Honey, honey yeah

[odcics2]

Imagine playing "Up Around the Bend" while going over 200 mph into Turn 3 at Talladega ?

[odcics2]

Photo of the underside, left hand fender exhauster on the #88 race daytona.

Hard to see, but reads:  3412671  L H    says, "Jo-Ad Ind." below that. Vendor code looks like: "1252"

[NHCharger]

Another mounting question. Were the scoops fastened so the edges touch all the way around or were there washers on the bolts that held them off the surface of the fender just a bit?

[odcics2]

Flush to the fender, no extra washers.

[rob-dirt]

Is there a left and right or are the Daytona scoops both the same ?

Next question what is something like that worth ?

I would be happy if they asked $100 each for something they pulled off a car 30 years ago and might have paid $20 for and just left on a shelf

I am not made of big bucks and can find other things to spend money on for my car at the moment
I know I would kick myself in the butt if I let them slip out of my hands if I have a chance to get them but I think it would be the very last part I would put on to finish my car off
I guess a better question would be is how much would an after market scoop cost me to put on my car when I get to that point ?
Fiberglass or does anyone make a metal version ?

There's a left and right scoop for both bird and tona, the Daytona are harder to tell apart side to side, but if you place both the bottoms touching one another the driver's side scoop is approx 1/4"- 3/8" wider at the base, because the driver's fender is slightly wider than the passengers IIRC

As far as value of used original scoops, Daytonas are on the bottom scale price wise, generally $500-$1000 for a set depending on condition, Superbird scoops pull in the biggest coin, with even junk pieces pulling $500-$1000 pr, nice pieces are generally $1000+-$2000 pr

Aftermarket scoops vary in price from as cheap as $100 pr up to $600pr depending on the mfg, cheap ones usually have no mounting provisions, just a shell, Daytona scoops are relatively common on the market, Superbird scoops are plentiful too, but finding a set with the 5 tapered mounting studs as original is a challenge because of the difficulty in making them, the best Daytona scoops on the market are made by Ted Janak/WWBP, my scoops rate a second as the underside is mat finished, not smooth as original or like Ted Janeks (unless you want to sand them out), my Superbird scoops are the only ones that I know of to date that have the mounting studs as original on the market, other mfg's will display photos showing the studs, but when the scoops arrive, they're just bare shells with no mounting provisions


FYI...my Daytona scoops are $250 pr, Superbird scoops are $400pr (all fiberglass w/SS mounting studs)
Mike

i will take a set if you have them 

[moparstuart]

me too daytona please

[Redbird]

Since we are valuing parts at next to nothing. How many of us would also be happy to pay $ 25,000 for a complete perfect numbers matching Dodge Daytona that someone bought 30 years ago for $ 5,000?

[cudavic]

Photo of the underside, left hand fender exhauster on the #88 race daytona.

Hard to see, but reads:  3412671  L H    says, "Jo-Ad Ind." below that. Vendor code looks like: "1252"

Well lookie, lookie.

http://www.jo-ad.com/

[odcics2]

Since we are valuing parts at next to nothing. How many of us would also be happy to pay $ 25,000 for a complete perfect numbers matching Dodge Daytona that someone bought 30 years ago for $ 5,000?

What color? 

Here's a sample of Jo-Ad's latest parts.  A bit more complex than a simple scoop.

[nascarxx29]

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,45448.0.html

[odcics2]

Since we are valuing parts at next to nothing. How many of us would also be happy to pay $ 25,000 for a complete perfect numbers matching Dodge Daytona that someone bought 30 years ago for $ 5,000?

What is your $$$$ estimate for real original Daytona scoops? 

[nascarxx29]

Sold a set sometime back $1000

[DAY CLONA]

Since we are valuing parts at next to nothing. How many of us would also be happy to pay $ 25,000 for a complete perfect numbers matching Dodge Daytona that someone bought 30 years ago for $ 5,000?

What is your $$$$ estimate for real original Daytona scoops?  

We've all seen this seller's ad below, even with all his overpriced "stuff", a set of Daytona scoops musters only $750, as I said earlier $500-$1000 is the going rate for Daytona scoops depending on condition, I travel to events/places around the country, and deal with individuals selling and trading in wingcar parts, I've seen lots of nice stuff with outrageous prices, and a lot of useless junk with outrageous prices as well, and as much as one would like to think that Daytona stuff is fewer and farther between than SuperBird stuff and should be holding to a King's ransom for pricing, again when it comes to Daytona scoops, even NOS, they can't match the asking price of Bird scoops, why?, I don't know, only what the market bears I guess?

[odcics2]

Guess that was the bargain of all his parts.  
Notice the missing digit in his ad?  Was it really $1750.?
That would be a lot more in line with the other prices. 

[DAY CLONA]

Guess that was the bargain of all his parts.  
Notice the missing digit in his ad?  Was it really $1750.?
That would be a lot more in line with the other prices. 

Possibly?, but I doubt it, I've seen 2 pairs of NOS Daytona scoops over the years, with $1500 being the highest price of the sets

[rob-dirt]

mike- i need a set of daytona scoops and so dose Stu - Will you make us a set ?   PLEASE 

[Redbird]

I was at Carlisle. There were a number of Superbird and wing car parts for sale. At least 5 different sellers. Nothing cheap. Interesting stuff for someone just viewing from the sidelines. There were 2 sellers side by side in their spaces, actually sellers that were frankly wheelers and dealers. One of them had bought several parts from another seller there. He had bought a NOS pair of Superbird scoops, in the original Chrysler boxes. He told me what he paid, It was a 4 figure number. Simply for 2017 I thought it was an OK price. When people want a high price for a real car they are selling, to me I would want real parts on that car. I have trouble when people want a really high price for a car with reproduction parts all over it.

Like a lot of things to me it is interesting to see differences in parts from obviously back in the day. I remember buying NOS Superbird scoops from the dealer in the mid 1970's for under $30 each. Those scoops had no boxes covering them. They did have rubber guards on the threads of the studs. I used them on one of my cars in the 1980's.

I have a NOS scoop in an original box, I believe it is from a dealer in the mid 1970's. The box is relatively flat, basically a little larger than the scoop.

The boxes i saw the other day were more symmetrically shaped, 4 sides the same, and then longer in one direction. The boxes seemed original to me.