Divorce!

[tucknroll]

Hey guys, I'm headed for divorce after 13 years. She's saying she wants half the value of the car. It's a 69 charger with a 383 2barrel. Ac car but air don't work. She says it's worth 30 but according to nada e ith the right information it's worth just over 9. It's a driver that looks great 20 feet away but it has too many problems and flaws to list. Is nada a good place to start on the value.  She wants an appraiser to check it. She thinks cause everyone loves it that it's worth a fortune.  Help!

[birdsandbees]

Tell her to take the car and give you 15! 

[tucknroll]

It's bad. I offered her 70 thousand for her half of the house and 50/50 with the two boys. She wants half the home equity,  half my retirement,  half value of the car and child support.  I'm screwed

[TruckDriver]

Sell the Charger to a friend for $500, and give her $250. When the divorce is over, buy it back from your trusted friend. I know a few that have done that with their cars. 

[tucknroll]

I wish I could but I was stupid and it's in both of our names

[Baldwinvette77]

"Ruin" the exterior with plastic, peel off spray paint, remove some parts and such before the appraiser looks at 

[XH29N0G]

If it were me, I would just want an accurate appraisal and then take it from there.  I do not know about the guides.  I would assume that if it appraised really high, I would also want the option  to sell it for that (or have her buy it for that) and start with the cash on something else later.

Sorry to hear you are going through this.   

[VegasCharger]

 

Sorry to hear you are going through this as well. I hope it turns out well.

Number one cause for divorce is marriage.

[Lennard]

Sorry to hear you are going through this as well. I hope it turns out well.

Number one cause for divorce is marriage.

Been there,  done that... never again.

[Derwud]

If you are in California and she has a lawyer, you are screwed!

Good luck, sell the car, buy another one when you are clear from her... But the car on it's best day, is worth half of what she says it is..

[cbrestorations]

Car got stolen...whoops, dang the luck. Afterwords you just happen to buy one just like it with a different vin. Booom....

[polywideblock]

can add my been there done that , never again
I "sold"  my cars to a mate, total value 6 K gave her 3 and didn't look at them till the divorce was over and 12 months had gone by .put my life on hold for 12 months
don't know how it works in the US but even after the divorce over here they can come back at you for 12 months afterwards .
so if you win the lottery she can still get half , no good slimy toads    

good luck and  remember the kids and try not to get "messy", they have long memory's .      2 of mine still don't talk to her  

[charger chris]

I hope everything works out for you. Women can't live with them and can't live with them lol. Have some come look at your car and then have some come and buy it. Then way after down road you can duty it back. Just do thinks right.
I was smart 6 moth. To my divorce I started hide money and hide other things. There are ways around thing.

[440]

Tell her you want half of her jewelery and half of her shoe collection etc, tell her you want it appraised too for proper value.

[Homerr]

If you get an appraisal make sure it is in line with the Hagerty value, not some idiot appraiser that watches too many auction shows.

[Mopar Nut]

Let's see some pictures of that $2,000 dollar car!

[tucknroll]

Thanks guys. I'll get some pics up soon

[polywideblock]

on a side note get yourself a  investigative accountant to go through her financials and to look for "hidden bank accounts ". as the guy from "dads in distress " told me when they finally file for divorce they have been thinking/ planning  about it for at least 2 years 

[RECHRGD]

Don't deal with her on your own.  Get a lawyer that specializes in fathers rights.

[HPP]

Don't deal with her on your own.  Get a lawyer that specializes in fathers rights.

Ditto. Our opinions, as well as that of NADA, are worthless without someone to fight for you. A lot is at stake here, not the least of which is the well being of four people. Get representation.

[A383Wing]

not sure about your state, but just because both names are on the title, that does not mean that both have to sign the title in order to sell the car.....you might want to check into that

[John_Kunkel]

Isn't that the title of a cowboy song? 

[tucknroll]

She wrecked an suv that I paid for, took the 9 thousand she got from insurance and bought a 40 thousand dollar van without even telling me. My lawyer said that 9 grand is mine. Ill tell her forget the charger and ill forget the minivan

[JB400]

The lesson on all of this: prenup.

[Lennard]

The lesson on all of this: prenup.

And that will start a fight because then according to her you don't trust her.

[bee1971]

She wrecked an suv that I paid for, took the 9 thousand she got from insurance and bought a 40 thousand dollar van without even telling me. My lawyer said that 9 grand is mine. Ill tell her forget the charger and ill forget the minivan

So you have an attorney

Every state is different

What does he/she attorney say about the car and who gets what

[Mike DC]

 
1.  Sorry this is happening, man.  Sucks.

2.  Get a lawyer who specializes in this stuff.  It sounds like there is more than enough money in play to justify it.

3.   Remember, if you don't have proof of something on paper then it didn't happen.  If the process of getting & keeping documents isn't a tedious PITA then you aren't doing enough.     

[Arigmaster]

Been there, Done that and yes it sucks... It's the very reason I was forced into selling my '68. Now, I don't know that I will ever be able to get another one because of the crazy money wanted for them now and I don't have the time or energy to build another one any longer..

Sometimes with the divorces... It's not about the actual value of stuff. It turns out to be how badly you can cause pain for the other person by going after what is most precious to them. In my case... I only wanted to do 50/50 on everything. However... She wanted 100% Custody & placement... 50% value of the Charger, and 50 % of my 401K and the house. Then wanted Maint. & Child support on top of all that.

Cost me 48K just to get the 50/50 with my daughter... She fought it tooth and nail. (she was more worried over less support $$ than the well being of our child) She was denied Maint. She got her 1/2 of the 401K. Now with the Charger... A deal was negotiated for a increased balance of the house to compensate for the car. But... That wasn't where she was going... She chased off 3 agents when we were trying to sell it and it ended up in forclosure because she refused any offers on it.

After all was said and done... I was forced to sell it to pay legal fees and I ended up Bankrupt (this was her actual goal) I guess I had to be punished for her getting caught red handed cheating.

It's been 8 years now and I am doing fine. My Daughter is in college and our relationship is mending nicely. I don't know if it's necessary to get completely back to square one by getting another '68. I have the new house, new relationship, mended relationship with my Daughter... All these things have pissed off my Ex because Karma is a real bitch. (The guy she was cheating on me with dumped her ass so no more free ride and I have been done with support for years now)

Ultimately if I did get another one... I think it would be just another thing to piss her off. But... Doing that isn't even the slightest bit important anymore...

[VegasCharger]

I have the new house, new relationship, mended relationship with my Daughter...

Please do not go there again, marriage #2 or whatever the count would be. Just be boyfriend & girlfriend.

[alfaitalia]

Lots of bitter men on here!! Just choose right girl in the first place....and don't rush into it or get married too young. I got married for the first and only time when I was forty (was engaged about 8 years before that! lol!).....been married ten years now with a seven year old son. We will all be together til death. Anyone out there reading this about to get married.....don't let the above posts put you off....its not always like that!

[Arigmaster]

Lots of bitter men on here!! Just choose right girl in the first place....and don't rush into it or get married too young. I got married for the first and only time when I was forty (was engaged about 8 years before that! lol!).....been married ten years now with a seven year old son. We will all be together til death. Anyone out there reading this about to get married.....don't let the above posts put you off....its not always like that!

Any bitter lesson can leave a bad taste in your mouth... Best I can tell anyone going through it is.. "You will get through it." Any relationship be it marriage or otherwise is just like playing the stock market. Sometimes you pick a good one and sometimes you don't.

[Lennard]

Lots of bitter men on here!! Just choose right girl in the first place....and don't rush into it or get married too young. I got married for the first and only time when I was forty (was engaged about 8 years before that! lol!).....been married ten years now with a seven year old son. We will all be together til death. Anyone out there reading this about to get married.....don't let the above posts put you off....its not always like that!

But it often is.  "Just choose the right girl in the first place." My crystal ball broke a long time ago, so I'm not taking the chance of getting legally robbed ever again.

[alfaitalia]

.....yeah but I took eighteen years between meeting her and marrying her to find out and make absolutely certain!!! LOL......you cant rush into these things. I bet half these divorced guys were married within two or three years of meeting......waaaaayyyy too fast imo! You just cant REALLY know anyone in that short a time.

[Daytona R/T SE]

Pussy is evil. 

[Chargen69]

a 20 footer is worth more than 9

[469 runner]

Just grab them by the puss.  Really, I would get a professional appraisal on the Charger. Just so she can't come back at you with undervaluing the car.  I think 30 thousand is a little high for the condition you describe and being a 383 2 barrel car.  Good luck.

[A383Wing]

I'm taking orders...money needed for cars

[djcarguy]

I'm taking orders...money needed for cars

  HOW MUCH extra for flattening,fold an press ??  do you pickup or delivery only???   ha ha just kidding...... 2 xx es  special rate??         

[Supercharged Riot]

Sorry. I don't know how divorces go but why would you be forced to sell it if you intend to keep it? Even in a divorce

[Wasco]

My step-dad lost his '68 in his divorce over 20 years ago and he's still pissed.  It didn't help that her boyfriend proceeded to wreck it and then she tried to sell it back to him!  I don't think there are any 'market accurate' value guides out there, really, without an appraisal.  but as mentioned, those can be wildly inaccurate as well.  I've heard of people putting their car up on eBay with many pictures and an accurate description with a huge reserve and seeing where the bidding goes.  I guess that would be one way to test the market for the car.

[Mytur Binsdirti]

[Dreamcar]

I've had two appraisers look at my cars. Both times they ask me "what do you think?" before they give me their opinion. Have the NADA guide ready and say "about 9k" if he asks. Less chance he'll balloon the value to 30.

Good luck btw.

[Mike DC]

Sorry. I don't know how divorces go but why would you be forced to sell it if you intend to keep it? Even in a divorce

The car gets grouped in with the couple's "joint assets" acquired during the marriage, which means it should be divided equally.  The husband doesn't have enough cash on hand to pay her half of its value (since he is already neck-deep in expenses over the rest of the divorce.  She probably got awarded the kids too, which means he will be required to pay her more money for support.  Etc. )  The car ends up getting sold for cash or awarded to her.  It happens all the time.

If you're not familiar with the US divorce situation, the law has turned against men in the last generation or two.  It doesn't always punish the husband but it certainly can do that if the wife wants it to. 

I can't remember the last time I heard a story about a wife getting an unfair legal screwing in a divorce.  Everyone knows at least one or two men who have gotten screwed.

[crj1968]

Sorry. I don't know how divorces go but why would you be forced to sell it if you intend to keep it? Even in a divorce

True he wouldn't have to sell the car, but would have to pony up half of what it's worth, which maybe he doesn't have.   

My bro just went through same thing. He gave up his part in home equity to keep some material things (cars) that were important to him.

[41husk]

I gave up 100% of the house we lived in and most of my (Our) cash to keep my cars and rental property.  She made me pay for appraisals on 3 of the cars and property.  She took old car guide prices on the projects.

[Aero426]

a 20 footer is worth more than 9

Yes.   9k sounds like the 50 percent off friends and family discount.   

[tucknroll]

Guys here's the short version.  I built our house 10 years ago and I owe 120,000 but it appraised for 285! That leaves 82000 in equity for each of us. She don't want the house but wants her 82. I bought a 98 dakota brand new and still drive it but the kids don't fit in the single cab so I bought the charger about 4 years ago and it's my daily driver unless I'm hauling the dogs or something.  She had a 05 Lincoln that we both paid for and totaled it, got 9k for it which was half mine, went out without asking or telling and bought a 40k minivan!  Now I owe about 7k on the charger and she owes about 30 on the van. She want half my 401k, half the value of the charger  and half the equity on the house. The one thing we've agreed on is 50/50 with the kids. It's a nightmare. I was the one who actually filed. I offered 70k to just leave but she's contesting for more. There ain't no more!!

[1969 R/T SE]

Reason I'm never getting married ^ 

And FYI screw your wife

[polywideblock]

just remember that age old saying " why are divorces so expensive , because there worth it "

[Kern Dog]

I have known some guys that say...."I'm never getting married". They have often been fat, ugly, bald and have no money. Who would want them  

[HANDM]

Here's my  ...
Did you cheat on her? Did she cheat on you? 

If she cheated on you, you wouldn't have to pay her jack shit since she initiated the dissolution of the marriage. If you cheated on her then you don't deserve jack shit because you initiated it

If there was no cheating on either part, then a 50/50 split is completely fair in the eyes of the law, get a good lawyer and go from there

Ive been with my woman for 26 years, 2 awesome kids and no marriage to f**k things up

[birdsandbees]

What he said.. and 34 years married for us. She was 18 and me 20 so the "too young" thing is out the window. Still letting me blow money on cars.

I wish you well... be well represented and don't use the kids as pawns. The only REAL advise I have.. the kids have nothing to do with YOUR situation. 

[Lennard]

A judge doesn't care about who cheated on who or any other reason for the divorce.

[Arigmaster]

A judge doesn't care about who cheated on who or any other reason for the divorce.

Very true... Depends on what state you live in. Many states including where I live are "50/50 No fault" when it comes to divorce. (Makes no difference who did what) However, You only have to follow the money. The Family court system thrives on the revenue of highly contested divorces. Each state has a collection system for child support. In turn, the Federal Government through Title IV-D will match what they collect. The court system profits and only a portion of the funds goes to single moms with deadbeat dads.

In reality... The court system wins, The Lawyers win, The GAL's win... And in most cases it's the Lawyers who inspire the divorcing couples to contest various things. This is especially vicious when children are involved. The system especially preys on that. It allows them to proclaim that it's in the best interest of the children. Total BS... The kids suffer more when the parents are drained of their assets, and when greed out weighs common sense. 50/50 no fault is just an illusion guys... If there is money to be made... They will get it out of you.

Those of you lucky enough to have found your one and only the first time around... Congrats! (I really mean that) Unfortunately there is still that percentage including myself that were not as successful. Marriage takes work and sacrifice and understanding. But it has to come from both people. Sometimes that doesn't happen.

I am thinking this thread should be moved to the off topic section since it's pretty much drifted away from a "Charger discussion". Troy?

[RallyeMike]

Before anyone gets married they should have to spend a day talking to a bunch of divorcees about what they saw and didn't see before taking the plunge. many minds would change.

[ws23rt]

Before anyone gets married they should have to spend a day talking to a bunch of divorcees about what they saw and didn't see before taking the plunge. many minds would change.

I agree with this.  Getting married is a much bigger deal than most consider at the time.
The huge problems with the gov. and laws is just an example of the issues.

The primary cause of divorce is -marriage-.

[Homerr]

I think people should get checked out for their emotional intelligence level.  My wife and I were both a bit low, but we've remedied that and are very happy together.

[ws23rt]

Most of the time it's the luck of the draw when meeting a mate for life person.  When the decision is being made it is usually with blinders to practical thinking.

[VegasCharger]

The primary cause of divorce is -marriage-.

Beat you to it in reply #7 page 1 of this thread 

Sorry to hear you are going through this as well. I hope it turns out well.

Number one cause for divorce is marriage.

[ws23rt]

The primary cause of divorce is -marriage-.

Beat you to it in reply #7 page 1 of this thread  

Sorry to hear you are going through this as well. I hope it turns out well

Number one cause for divorce is marriage.

Well--hmm--  I said it first in the 60s --

BTW I am single  (never married)  I have two great kids and two grand kids. All doing very well.  I am happy and have all the car stuff I wanted to bring with me to this point.
No debt and a great family life.

[VegasCharger]

Well--hmm--  I said it first in the 60s --

BTW I am single  (never married)  I have two great kids and two grand kids. All doing very well.  I am happy and have all the car stuff I wanted to bring with me to this point.
No debt and a great family life.

Well props to you then. 

I've said this a long time ago maybe in my early 20s when I knew I wasn't excited about getting married but not as far back as the 60s Maybe in the early 80s.

Like you I've never been married and I have zero debt, but unlike you I don't have kids.

Here's to a good life and to watching football on Sundays w/o interruptions or guilt lol. 

[Mopar Nut]

 

[alfaitalia]

Like it!!!

[tucknroll]

Good news! We just got back from the lawyer and she's settling for her half of the equity and 50/50 with the kids. Thank goodness she leaving my retirement and car alone. She just wants her money now and knows a court battle would just drag it out

[crj1968]

Good news! We just got back from the lawyer and she's settling for her half of the equity and 50/50 with the kids. Thank goodness she leaving my retirement and car alone. She just wants her money now and knows a court battle would just drag it out

She is leaving money behind? That be strange behavior for a woman. Must be in some kind of hurry.   

[bigdsul]

Remember that the lawyers get theirs before anyone else does. Going that route costs on average of 40 thousand dollars.

If you guys can stay amicable and agree on everything go the better route of using a paralegal who specializes in divorce.

I went that route a while back and we both came away with an equal share and we didn't go bankrupt in the process. We spent a little over 1200 dollars which is far better than the alternative could ever be.

[ECS]

Marriage is not the problem!  It's the simplistic attitude people have when making choices in life.  Treat the important decisions with the respect they deserve and things work out just fine.

PROVERBS 22:3 - A prudent person foresees danger and takes precautions. The simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences.

[crj1968]

Marriage is not the problem!  It's the simplistic attitude people have when making choices in life.  Treat the important decisions with the respect they deserve and things work out just fine.

PROVERBS 22:3 - A prudent person foresees danger and takes precautions. The simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences.

Truth. 
Back in the day you had to have your act together by the time you were 13. (not our generation, but our parents /grandparents) 


What I have seen with my daughters friends who are getting married at 20-22, is that they are completely ignoring the advice of their parents, and having marriages fall apart in a matter of months. Crawling back home and crying "Dad, you were right, he is a total douche."