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Shop is Getting Ready to shoot some B5 - I have questions

Started by CDN72SE, October 14, 2016, 01:26:06 PM

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CDN72SE

Hi All, I have an appointment next Saturday to discuss color. Months ago I told the shop I want my car painted B5 Blue and took up a PPG paint chip sample (1971), at the time they said they didn't need it. I have a 72, I have done some reading on the site and I believe the Chrysler code is DT8548 and PPG2306.

Today I get a text from Jack (shop manager not the painter) saying that they look up B5 and it comes up as solid or metallic (they use PPG), and both look much different and I was asked to confirm. I have no idea, lol. I told them I have the chip sample at home and they said okay bring it in. My car was originally Y8 Gold so that cannot be a reference.

Just want a little info before I speak to him, I'm happy if the car looks like it did in 72, don't need a car show finish, if that makes sense. After spending a good amount of money so far I don't want to be disappointed with the color.

I was here looking at colors: http://paintref.com/cgi-bin/colorcodedisplay.cgi?ditzler=2306&rows=50&syear=1971&smanuf=Chrysler&smodel=Coronet&sname=Bright Blue

Any info you guys/gals have would be helpful, thanks in advance.

1972 Charger SE

CDN72SE

Just got the following sample from the shop, they said that next they will paint an old fender.
Top is solid (??) and bottom is metallic.

1972 Charger SE

BLK 68 R/T

I'm not sure if B5 was available in non metallic form  :shruggy:, I've only seen it in metallic form. With that said, I would go with the lower one  :Twocents:

CDN72SE

Thanks Blk68, that's kind of what I was leaning towards, will have a better idea as well when I see it with my own eyes.
1972 Charger SE

Kern Dog

Every version of B-5 has been metallic. It can be made in a single stage paint or a base coat/clear coat. There are variations from year to year. They used the same B 5 code even though the shade of blue is slightly different.
You surely want a base/clear paint job though. Single stage metallics cannot be sanded and buffed to the nice finish that we have come to expect. 

hemi-hampton

Every body makes the same mistake, And that is calling mopar colors by only using 2 digits, letters or #'s when in reality all the older mopar colors have 3 digits (depending on year). Most people will drop the first letter. I don't know why as this could give you the wrong paint code. If you want to know what the first letter means let me know. What you need to know or look up is code EB5 & GB5. These will be 2 different colors, one lighter & one darker. LEON.


DAY CLONA

Quote from: hemi-hampton on October 14, 2016, 07:24:13 PM
Every body makes the same mistake, And that is calling mopar colors by only using 2 digits, letters or #'s when in reality all the older mopar colors have 3 digits (depending on year). Most people will drop the first letter. I don't know why as this could give you the wrong paint code. If you want to know what the first letter means let me know. What you need to know or look up is code EB5 & GB5. These will be 2 different colors, one lighter & one darker. LEON.






In the past (back in the day!) there where also ALTs or Alternate mix variations to go along with the factory paint code, sometimes upwards of 5 ALTs on a factory color to compensate for factory variations in tint, often a wide variation, however as the decades have rolled by, paint suppliers have rolled the formula mixes into just one mix code, sometimes ALTs still exist, it depends on the paint brand/Mfg, the OP should ask the paint mixer if an ALT 1 or 2 is on the mix program or card, the darker of the ALTs usually is for Dodge applications

CDN72SE

Quote from: Kern Dog on October 14, 2016, 07:20:56 PM
Every version of B-5 has been metallic. It can be made in a single stage paint or a base coat/clear coat. There are variations from year to year. They used the same B 5 code even though the shade of blue is slightly different.
You surely want a base/clear paint job though. Single stage metallics cannot be sanded and buffed to the nice finish that we have come to expect. 

Thanks Kern Dog, I really appreciate your input you always have good info to share. I will discuss with them the base/clear. 
1972 Charger SE

CDN72SE

Quote from: hemi-hampton on October 14, 2016, 07:24:13 PM
Every body makes the same mistake, And that is calling mopar colors by only using 2 digits, letters or #'s when in reality all the older mopar colors have 3 digits (depending on year). Most people will drop the first letter. I don't know why as this could give you the wrong paint code. If you want to know what the first letter means let me know. What you need to know or look up is code EB5 & GB5. These will be 2 different colors, one lighter & one darker. LEON.


Thanks Leon, actually I did mention GB5 initially but I think we then just started saying B5, I will make sure I mention GB5.
1972 Charger SE

CDN72SE

Quote from: DAY CLONA on October 15, 2016, 04:29:04 AM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on October 14, 2016, 07:24:13 PM
Every body makes the same mistake, And that is calling mopar colors by only using 2 digits, letters or #'s when in reality all the older mopar colors have 3 digits (depending on year). Most people will drop the first letter. I don't know why as this could give you the wrong paint code. If you want to know what the first letter means let me know. What you need to know or look up is code EB5 & GB5. These will be 2 different colors, one lighter & one darker. LEON.



In the past (back in the day!) there where also ALTs or Alternate mix variations to go along with the factory paint code, sometimes upwards of 5 ALTs on a factory color to compensate for factory variations in tint, often a wide variation, however as the decades have rolled by, paint suppliers have rolled the formula mixes into just one mix code, sometimes ALTs still exist, it depends on the paint brand/Mfg, the OP should ask the paint mixer if an ALT 1 or 2 is on the mix program or card, the darker of the ALTs usually is for Dodge applications

Thanks Day Clona, I have read so much over the years about paint that it gets a bit dizzying for an amateur like me. I'll definitely ask about the ALTs.
1972 Charger SE

hemi-hampton

Looking at your Spray outs they look like this to me. Pictured below. LEON.

CDN72SE

Ah I see Leon, that's interesting. Thanks for the help,  much appreciated.
1972 Charger SE

birdsandbees

Two pictures. Under the tag is original 1969 Dodge B5 blue (ignore the blue around it.. it's Tremclad)... same original B5 on the front windshield frame inner edge from under the gasket. I'm shooting for something between the original lifeless B5 and the darker blue I painted the Bee in 1989 as seen on the A pillar. Hopefully within the next few weeks I'll have some test panels and paint codes.
1970 'Bird RM23UOA170163
1969 'Bee WM21H9A230241
1969 Dart Swinger LM23P9B190885
1967 Plymouth Barracuda Formula S
1966 Plymouth Satellite HP2 - 9941 original miles
1964 Dodge 440 62422504487

CDN72SE

Thanks for the post birdsandbees, you are moving right along, can't wait to see your car in paint. :2thumbs:
1972 Charger SE