Ghost Rider Charger video

[khojnacki]

Pretty cool description https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DghBVIg66qk

[Lennard]

Another fake blower. Why don't they just build a real blower engine?

[cbrestorations]

One of the cars used for this was my old 70 base 318 car.

[GOTWING]

Another fake blower. Why don't they just build a real blower engine?

cost and tear stuff up 

[Lennard]

They spend millions filming that stuff.  What's $2000 for a real blower?  
If they show a BDS sticker somewhere on the car then they can probably get a free one from Blower Drive Services.

[Mike DC]

  

Another fake blower. Why don't they just build a real blower engine?

It costs a big-time film crew in excess of $100,000 per day in overhead whether they get anything done or not.


Does the mechanic need another 1/2 hour to tune the car?  There goes $5000.

Will it take 3 days to get a part delivered & installed?  There goes another $300,000.    

 
Hollywood likes stock-ish common motors because they live in fear of shooting delays.

[Lennard]

Thanks for the explanation. 

[Mike DC]

 
Yeah, it's just not a normal situation on movie sets.


In the video Bob Hartwig mentioned that he was given 3 weeks to deliver these Chargers.  That figure includes the time for locating & buying the cars he started with.  The movie industry's scheduling habits are utterly ridiculous in general.   They are thrashing on stunt cars before the paint is dry. 

 

[crj1968]

 
Hollywood likes stock-ish common motors because they live in fear of shooting delays.

That was my thought why worry about reliability when it's all just for visual effect.

Shoulda went with a fake hillborne.  

[funknut]

Dennis McCarthy builds a lot of stunt/hero cars for the movies and talks about the reasoning behind the decisions, and it's exactly what MikeDC said, they turn these cars out quick and being able to source/repair a proven combo is a huge benefit.  LS3 crate motor w/ TH400 and Ford 9".

http://jalopnik.com/here-are-the-secrets-of-furious-7s-500-hp-movie-cars-1657930544

https://youtu.be/ChHv6gyTKSI?t=702

[Mike DC]

Dennis McCarthy builds a lot of stunt/hero cars for the movies and talks about the reasoning behind the decisions, and it's exactly what MikeDC said, they turn these cars out quick and being able to source/repair a proven combo is a huge benefit.  LS3 crate motor w/ TH400 and Ford 9".

McCarthy's Furious Chargers are getting closer to 100% custom jobs all the time.  Many of them have RMS suspensions at both ends now.  They have used fiberglass 1970 front clips and interiors made of Summit catalog parts since the 4th movie.

[PlainfieldCharger]

That artwork that shows the charger with flames coming out of it was unreal looking. I hope they shoot the film but leave the remain chargers alone.

[JR]

That was a neat look into filmmaking. I'm superhero-movied out, so I have no interest in the show, but the chargers are cool.

The only criticism I have with the look is the stance is goofy. They sit waaaayyyy to high, which makes the little wheels and tires look even smaller. It would look perfect lowered a couple inches all the way around.

[Mike DC]

The higher stance (for the wheel size) gives it more gap in the wheelwells for flames to be coming out of.  That might have played into it. 


They were CGI-ing flames onto the bikes in the Ghost Rider movies.  I'm sure at least some of the flames on these Chargers were CGI shots but it would be nice if all of it was. 

[JR]

That makes sense, I forgot all about the fire effect.

[Kern Dog]

My take is that movies with cars like this are made to appeal to people that think classic cars are cool but would never own one. Most people see the fake blower and just think it is a fast car. Guys like us see it and are annoyed with a fake.
Imagine what a Cop feels like watching a Police TV show. Imagine how frustrated Doctors or Lawyers are when procedures are done wrong onscreen.
Lucky for m, I am a Carpenter. My job isn't interesting or dangerous enough for Hollywood to screw it up in a movie.

"The car had so much torque, the chassis twisted coming off the line".
Remember who said that? Vin Diesel/Dom Toretto. Sounds cool to the non car type office guys, right? We all know that any decent launch will twist the car a bit.

You almost blew the welds on the intake!
I need Nosss.
I live my life a quarter mile at a time.

Movie speak entertains  the people that do not know any better.

[Mopar Nut]

 

[Mike DC]

My take is that movies with cars like this are made to appeal to people that think classic cars are cool but would never own one. Most people see the fake blower and just think it is a fast car. Guys like us see it and are annoyed with a fake.
Imagine what a Cop feels like watching a Police TV show. Imagine how frustrated Doctors or Lawyers are when procedures are done wrong onscreen.
Lucky for m, I am a Carpenter. My job isn't interesting or dangerous enough for Hollywood to screw it up in a movie.

"The car had so much torque, the chassis twisted coming off the line".
Remember who said that? Vin Diesel/Dom Toretto. Sounds cool to the non car type office guys, right? We all know that any decent launch will twist the car a bit.

You almost blew the welds on the intake!
I need Nosss.
I live my life a quarter mile at a time.

Movie speak entertains  the people that do not know any better.

Yep.  

Every specialist/enthusiast walks out of a Hollywood movie about their field with the same gripes.  Hollywood is not in the reality business.  



I will say it's annoying how they totally overdo some things even by normal standards.  Hollywood gearheads always rebuild whole cars so fast it wouldn't even allow the paint to dry.  You don't have to be a gearhead to know that's BS.  

I found it refreshing in the Nic Cage Gone in 60 Seconds remake when Eleanor did the big jump and then actually had a crumpled front end afterwards.  The damage wasn't 100% realistic but at least it was there and it caused the hero a problem.  

The General Lee finally got some got visible battle scars during the DOH movie too.

 

[Kern Dog]

Right... I recall reading about the 2005 DOH movie how they bashed fenders in some cars to retain the "damage" from the Atlanta chase scene (Think SKINNY).

Back to Hollywood liberties:
How about those scenes where a driver UPshifts 6-7 times in a car with a 3 speed automatic?
What about the 87 mile airport runway in the Fast & Furious 6 final scene?

Apparantly, men can get shot in movies and TV yet still keep going on and on to save the day.

[Mike DC]

Right... I recall reading about the 2005 DOH movie how they bashed fenders in some cars to retain the "damage" from the Atlanta chase scene (Think SKINNY).

It was a case of downplaying the damage too.  The car they actually did the ramming shot with got hurt much worse than the battered fenders.  (Afterwards they had a local body shop pull the chassis back into line & repair it.)  They sledgehammered the front ends of several other GLs to retain continuity.

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The same thing went on with that black tow truck in "Terminator 2" (the one chasing Johnny & Arnold through the concrete flood control channels)  The actual overpass-dropped one could not have continued the chase after that.  They cut right to a copy of the truck with less severe damage. 

[polywideblock]

common guys "its the movies" if they could only do "what would really happen if "
  A: it would be REALLY boring  B: no-one would go and see it after being told how "boring " it was 

[RallyeMike]

How many more writers/artists are going to come up with the original idea or using a black 69 Charger?

[Kern Dog]

Yeah.... What is the count up to now?

DeathProof

Drive Angry

Fast and Furious

Blade

Ghost Rider.....Did I miss any?

[Mike DC]

  
The film people chose a '69 Charger this time, because the Ghost Rider comic artist recently did, because the comic artist loves Chargers and the F&F car.

 
I say let them use Chargers.  We need all the repro parts & future generations' interest we can get.  

[RallyeMike]

I say let them use Chargers.  We need all the repro parts & future generations' interest we can get. 

Well, then let's start a list for the next unimaginative writer:

1) The car should have an AC center dash pad! 

Feel free to add...

[VegasCharger]

Yeah.... What is the count up to now?

DeathProof

Drive Angry

Fast and Furious

Blade

Ghost Rider.....Did I miss any?

Here's one. The Gladiator (1986) staring Ken Wahl, Nancy Allen and Robert Culp. An off beat B movie that has a black 1969 Dodge Charger in it driven by a homicidal maniac. Hard film to find. I had to get my DVD copy on eBay.

[Mike DC]

              

Here's one. The Gladiator (1986) staring Ken Wahl, Nancy Allen and Robert Culp. An off beat B movie that has a black 1969 Dodge Charger in it driven by a homicidal maniac. Hard film to find. I had to get my DVD copy on eBay.

Those Gladiator Chargers were painted orange before they were black.  


Two of them are around today, restored back to their early-1980s orange condition.  

[RCCDrew]

I remember that movie! Hero built a truck with hydraulic rams for running drunks off the road and a grappling hook that came out of the bed. Inspirational for a car crazed 10 year old!!

[UH60L]

This is for a tv show correct, not a movie.  I watch Marvel's Agents of Shield and this season they introduced the new ghost rider, driving the charger.

So, not sure if the same production and cost limitations apply... 

[Brass]

This is for a tv show correct, not a movie.  I watch Marvel's Agents of Shield and this season they introduced the new ghost rider, driving the charger.

So, not sure if the same production and cost limitations apply...  

Doesn't matter.  Production studios will always look to make magic on the cheap.  If smoke and mirrors can stand in for operational blowers - they will go with smoke and mirrors every time.  Especially if there are more moving parts to go wrong.  They know most of the audience doesn't know the difference and expect those that do to suspend their disbelief.  Action stars run from explosions... everyone knows that's bullshit but we watch anyway. 

[Mike DC]

                
TV shows have lower budgets than movies, but they mostly save that money by giving the crews even less shooting time.  The prop car situation is much the same. 

[lukedukem]

I saw preview for next week show. I believe they wrecked the charger. I'll have to find the video

Luke