Update from 1970 Charger

[tommyhr]

Thank you to everyone who helped me with my car, it turns out that the car is a 70 charger with different panels on it. There are uncut locations in the panels for the typical 70 charger turn signs. Still not sure about the interior and SE, but I am making progress, the link I attached has the pictures from my previous post, but I added pictures of the engine!! Check it out!! Also could someone please tell me what to look for in the trunk for reverse lights mounting locations? I found some holes, is that it?
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TrznykNWlEZzsdQ62A6V6uYy_up087eqHftBPgzB6OQ/edit?usp=sharing
Thanks,
Tom

[hemi-hampton]

SO, Your saying the factory installed 68 front clip & rear quarters on your 70 never heard of that Lets see a pic of the fender tag? LEON.


UPDATE: Now that you changed your comment mine don't make sense

[tommyhr]

I did not check myself, but a trusted family member told me that all the veins matched. It is possible that I miss heard him. Is it unlikely or impossible for this to happen?  It being original is not very important only that I will be able to install backup lights. Thanks for your input

[BLK 68 R/T]

I think you might have misheard or he is incorrect. It would not have came from the factory like that.

[tommyhr]

I changed my statement, I love the way it looks and I guess it's a Frankenstein of a car. Do you think this will present any issues for back up lights, how do I know if there are locations for them to be installed?

[70 sublime]

Is the key in the dash or on the steering column ?

[6spd68]

I'm guessing it's an older resto/front end collision, and they didn't have a 70 front clip available.  Looks decent though  

[tommyhr]

The key is in the steering column

[crj1968]

I wouldnt sweat the backup lights so much.  Look at 70 charger rear end pics on google and you'll see where they would go.

What do you mean by uncut locations in the panels for turn signals?  You have your front turn signals in the valance and rears are part of taillight assembly.

Car may be a Frankenstein but looks good.    

[Homerr]

Not all those interior parts are for a 68-70 Charger.

I would not trust this car as a daily driver.  But it could be a fun project to tinker on.

[70 sublime]

70 was the first year the key was in the steering column
Sounds like your car is a 70 with a bunch of 68 parts added to the front end

Looks good

[crj1968]

I would not trust this car as a daily driver. 

Why do say that?   

[tommyhr]

Crj I may be calling it the wrong thing, it is the round light on each panel of the car, but there are locations that could be cut to install the regular 70 rectangular ones. Also the motor in it is brand new with only 4 miles on it. As well as the Trans and all pipes through to the back

[tommyhr]

I will add a picture of what I am talking about

[crj1968]

Oh marker lights.  

There are locations to cut for a 70 style that are uncut? I wonder where those panels came from. Or did someone mark the locations themselves?

[cbrestorations]

its a little confusing when you edit the initial comment to update the thread. it makes all the comments under that not make sense. just update ur thread with a new comment

[tommyhr]

Will do, sorry I am new to this whole thing. Also I added the pictures of the rectangular cuttings. They appear to b original from factory and not man made

[crj1968]

I think what you have there is someone welded up the 70 markers and added the 68 round ones to make it all match.

So you've a 70 with a 68 front end. Makes sense

[crj1968]

Not a bad thing really...as you can actually buy 68 fenders if ever needed from AMD.    But not for a 70   

[invincibleextremes]

Wow, my wife would love that car.  A 68 front end with 69 or 70 taillights is her favorite charger setup...

[Kern Dog]

How much would the seller bump the price if he tossed in a new air filter ??

[6spd68]

Wow, my wife would love that car.  A 68 front end with 69 or 70 taillights is her favorite charger setup...

You could technically just swap a 68 grille into your 69 

[tommyhr]

What is wrong with the current air filter?

[dual fours]

I think what you have there is someone welded up the 70 markers and added the 68 round ones to make it all match.

So you've a 70 with a 68 front end. Makes sense

70 side marker lights are recessed somewhat, I wonder if there's body filler on the outside where the 70 rear marker lights would be.
Need to look at that trunk photo a little closer.
Yes, photo #17 left rear inside trunk, you can see the welds joints on the fill-in piece and the quarter panel.
I can't tell if the rear quarter panel side marker recess is flatten or still recessed then welded closed.

[dual fours]

What is wrong with the current air filter?

Paper element looks crushed down, I can not see marks on your hood or on the top lid.
Can't see a fender tag either.

[Homerr]

I would not trust this car as a daily driver. 

Why do say that?   

I mean on day 1 of ownership.  It looks like it might need a couple months to get sorted out.  That's just my spidey-sense talking.

[dual fours]

Do you think this will present any issues for back up lights, how do I know if there are locations for them to be installed?

Would you State Inspection require, because it's a registered 1970 to need backup/reverse lights?
Backup/reverse lights allows the DH that's following to close behind you know that you want to backup.

[crj1968]

I would not trust this car as a daily driver. 

Why do say that?   

I mean on day 1 of ownership.  It looks like it might need a couple months to get sorted out.  That's just my spidey-sense talking.

Ah yes- agreed.

[crj1968]

Do you think this will present any issues for back up lights, how do I know if there are locations for them to be installed?

Would you State Inspection require, because it's a registered 1970 to need backup/reverse lights?
Backup/reverse lights let the DH behind you know that you want to backup.

They definitely don't look at any stuff like that where I am.
If staying in state they don't even look at the car period, just paper transfer and pay your taxes, of course.
Out of state they will check title to dash vin and that's it.

[keepat]

 Interesting custom door handles?  And there's no steering wheel?
Pat

[crj1968]

  And there's no steering wheel?
Pat

Ah maybe that's why Homerr wouldn't use it as a daily driver.     

[hemi-hampton]

its a little confusing when you edit the initial comment to update the thread. it makes all the comments under that not make sense. just update ur thread with a new comment

Yeah, That's what I said, now nobody knows what I was talking about, his original comment said his 70 charger came from the factory with 68 parts

[Dino]

Not something I'd want to buy but if the price is right and you like working on cars...

Any interior shots?

[70 sublime]

Why is it up on jack stands on just one side ??
Is there something wrong with the torsion bar on the passenger side ?

[hemi-hampton]

I'd make it all 70 again. get rid of those mis matched 68 & other parts. Do you got a pic of fender tag or do you even have a fender tag? LEON.

[nvrbdn]

Back up light location on a 70 charger.

[tommyhr]

The steering wheel comes out and it has a steering lock on it, one wheel refuses to hold air and was going to try and be sealed, just a matter if timing.

[70 sublime]

So have you bought this car ?
Think you were just asking about it to start with

[tommyhr]

It was left for me just trying to figure the car out

[Homerr]

A freebie?!

Tell us more...

[tommyhr]

My relative has had this sitting in a garage for 5 years now and is busy restoring a corvette, he offered it up and I took it, he didn't want a dime for it but I gave him about 5000. It came with at least 5000 dollars worth of new parts. I am going to post pictures of all the new stuff that came with it to try and sort it all out and figure out what to do.

[70 sublime]

My relative has had this sitting in a garage for 5 years now and is busy restoring a corvette, he offered it up and I took it, he didn't want a dime for it but I gave him about 5000. It came with at least 5000 dollars worth of new parts. I am going to post pictures of all the new stuff that came with it to try and sort it all out and figure out what to do.

Can not go wrong on a deal like that 

What part of the world do you call home ?

[crj1968]

I'd make it all 70 again. get rid of those mis matched 68 & other parts. Do you got a pic of fender tag or do you even have a fender tag? LEON.

It'd be pretty dang expensive to make it all 70 again. Fenders alone are nearly unobtanium

[tommyhr]

I live in the US are there people from all around the world on here? More specifically in Maryland just out side the border of Washington DC. I have no plans currently to make it all a 70 again maybe down the road but I happen to like the unoriginal originality of it (and think it looks quite nice as well). The car was made in Michigan and lived out most of its life in California until my relative bought it and had it shipped to Massachusetts when he gave it to me and I hauled it down here.

[hemi-hampton]

If it lived in California most it's life does it have the California N95 option on Fender tag

[dual fours]

I live in the US are there people from all around the world on here? More specifically in Maryland just out side the border of Washington DC. I have no plans currently to make it all a 70 again maybe down the road but I happen to like the unoriginal originality of it (and think it looks quite nice as well). The car was made in Michigan and lived out most of its life in California until my relative bought it and had it shipped to Massachusetts when he gave it to me and I hauled it down here.

We are everywhere. Made in Michigan? For a 70 it would have been made in St. Louis (Fenton), Missouri.
     

[tommyhr]

Yeah it was Missouri, that's what the Vin said when I checked it. Not sure why I said Michigan

[hemi-hampton]

You keep avoiding my fender tag questions, why is that? LEON.

[70 sublime]

I live in the US are there people from all around the world on here? More specifically in Maryland just out side the border of Washington DC. I have no plans currently to make it all a 70 again maybe down the road but I happen to like the unoriginal originality of it (and think it looks quite nice as well). The car was made in Michigan and lived out most of its life in California until my relative bought it and had it shipped to Massachusetts when he gave it to me and I hauled it down here.

If you click on a posters name most times they list their location and you can see where they are from (I am in Canada  )
You did not list yours in your profile is why I asked

[Dodge Don]

You keep avoiding my fender tag questions, why is that? LEON.

Leon is correct. If you have the fender tag I can tell you exactly what the car is and if it was an SE or not.
Send me a picture of the fender tag.
DodgeDon@1970chargerregistry.com
http://www.1970chargerregistry.com/

[6spd68]

My relative has had this sitting in a garage for 5 years now and is busy restoring a corvette, he offered it up and I took it, he didn't want a dime for it but I gave him about 5000. It came with at least 5000 dollars worth of new parts. I am going to post pictures of all the new stuff that came with it to try and sort it all out and figure out what to do.

You've got a hell of a lot luckier than most on here 

Even at 5000$ invested, you've got an AMAZING start.  Best of luck with your project 

[tommyhr]

Sorry Leon I will try to get a picture of the fender tag if there is one just have yet to find any time to do it. Thanks for the help guys, can't wait to see where this project goes from here

[crj1968]

Sorry Leon I will try to get a picture of the fender tag if there is one just have yet to find any time to do it. Thanks for the help guys, can't wait to see where this project goes from here

I can see where it's going.   

[hemi-hampton]

Sorry Leon I will try to get a picture of the fender tag if there is one just have yet to find any time to do it. Thanks for the help guys, can't wait to see where this project goes from here

Fender tag is under hood on top of drivers side inner Fender near Battery. It will tell you/us alot about your car. Take a look. LEON.

[ACUDANUT]

30 Years ago I bought my 70 Charger with a complete 68 interior (dash too). I did not know the difference back then.  We did not have the internet. 
Oh well, I still love my Charger. 

[dual fours]

Sorry Leon I will try to get a picture of the fender tag if there is one just have yet to find any time to do it. Thanks for the help guys, can't wait to see where this project goes from here

Fender tag in under hood on top of drivers side inner Fender near Battery. It will tell you/us alot about your car. Take a look. LEON.

I can not see a fender tag where it should be in his engine bay picture.
I guess the rear seat is out of the car by the pictures he's posted and no Broadcast sheet in the spring works.

[tommyhr]

No fender tag, but I have half a broadcast sheet (rest was eaten by a mouse)

[Dodge Don]

No fender tag, but I have half a broadcast sheet (rest was eaten by a mouse)

Send me a scan of the broadcast sheet please.

Dodgedon@1970chargerregistry.com

[tommyhr]

I added a picture to my link, no scanner. Can send some better pics later though

[dual fours]

I added a picture to my link, no scanner. Can send some better pics later though

Now were getting somewhere .
Are those numbers behind the XP29NOG ? ? ? ? ? ? ? on that Broadcast sheet the same numbers that are on the dash VIN tag?

[tommyhr]

Yes they're the same as the dash vin

[hemi-hampton]

Bummer, that's not even 1/4 of a broadcast sheet. I was curious if it was a real FC7 car? LEON.

[dual fours]

Yes they're the same as the dash vin

Good and you mentioned that the VIN dash tag looks like it match's the number on the Radiator support frame, BUT how about the trunk lip (drivers side mostly closer to the rearward corner under the rubber trunk and body seal) you have to lift/tear loose the seal maybe 8" till you find it. We will not get in to the numbers on the motor or transmission yet. Wouldn't that be something if you had a numbers matching car.  

The best I make out of that Broadcast sheet is...
Line 1, Build/Production date (626) June 26, 1970.
Line 2, Trim code (CR XA) Charcoal Black Leather, only available with (A47) SE option, UDF Color (TX9) black, (D53) 8.75 rear w/ 3.23:1 ratio.
Line 3, (355) automatic on the floor, (TT) wood grain steering wheel also a (A47) SE option.

Plus these other listings... (E63) 383, (43) four bbl. Holley and ECS (California car), (D32) 727automatic transmission.

Dame mice

Look for two tool marks on the trunk lip edge, drivers side (the pictures below only shows one by the way), now clean the paint off and look for the VIN numbers between the marks if present, on the upper flat where the rubber seal was glued down.

[charger chris]

Places where you find more bluildsheets under carpet, in the head liner, up in dash, back seat, some time in front seat that's where I have found them. That's a nice car. it's a little confused on it age

[tommyhr]

I found the Vin in the trunk and it matches, I'll post all the veins I've found to the link

[ACUDANUT]

Veins ? 

[crj1968]

Veins ? 

I think there's some auto correct going on

[tommyhr]

Yeah supposed to be Vins keeps going to veins for some reason

[Kern Dog]

Mine was woven into the springs of the back seat.
Funny thing....In 1969 when Dodge sent the XX Chargers to Creative Industries to be converted to Daytona cars, the rear seats were just pulled and tossed in a pile. For reassembly, they just grabbed whatever color seat matched the interior. Nobody knew or cared that the right car would get the exact seat it was built with. Years later, many found NON matching build sheets in their cars!