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Started by Cncguy, August 05, 2016, 09:51:33 PM

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Cncguy

Went to see the movie tonight. I liked it I don't see why critics didn't like it. I had a good time and it was enjoyable to watch.

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if the critics bag it ,it normally means its a good movie . I take what they say with a grain of salt  :yesnod:


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So often, critics are Liberal jerkoffs that only appreciate artsy queer type movies.

RallyeMike

90% of the movies are formula crap. You can predict the entire story from the onset, and you're really just there to hear a few one liners and marvel at the special effects. 10% of the time something interesting comes along.
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I thought it was crap. The thing was full of plot holes. It had a couple moments where I thought it was starting to turn around, and boom, right back to crap. The Joker was stupid..but luckily he only was in it maybe 10 minutes. Any more than that and I probably would have walked out.

Mike DC

  
IMO it was probably a no-win situation for them to even do the Joker at all.  There is too much to live down after the Burton/Nicholson movie and the Nolan/Ledger movie.  Hollywood should have let the character rest a while. 

If the new guy tries very hard then he's liable to come off as trying too hard.  If he tries to do it more laidback then he comes across as weak.  Heath Ledger had the benefit of low expectations (for him at least) and a once-in-a-generation role just on the script alone.  The high quality of that whole surrounding movie did some of the heavy lifting for him.  And then he died before doing any public appearances post-movie, which cements him as the character in everyone's mind even more. 

69wannabe

Quote from: Cncguy on August 05, 2016, 09:51:33 PM
Went to see the movie tonight. I liked it I don't see why critics didn't like it. I had a good time and it was enjoyable to watch.

I am glad to hear this, I have heard good and bad about this move so more than likely I will have to see it for myself.  When deadpool came out I heard good and bad about it and once I watched it I loved it!! Some people still call it crap but I guess it's my kind of action and humor and I have watched it multiple times since it came out on blu ray. I feel like if you read all the bad reviews and go watch the movie expecting it to be bad then that's what you will get out of it. Got to keep an open mind about these things and if you like it then good and if not oh well. I bet
Margot Robbie look's great either way!!!  :drool5:

Brock Lee

Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on August 06, 2016, 07:19:01 PM
 
IMO it was probably a no-win situation for them to even do the Joker at all.  There is too much to live down after the Burton/Nicholson movie and the Nolan/Ledger movie.  Hollywood should have let the character rest a while. 


I am not a Batman fan, so I have only seen the Ledger as Joker version maybe twice. Going in to this I went in with a clean pallet, no expectations or comparisons. This Joker was just stupid. He did not come off as threatening. There was nothing about him that put you on the edge of your seat. He was not unhinged. At all. There is no comparison to Ledger's version as Ledger at least brought that unpredictable element to the role in spades.

The story seemed rushed. They give you these quick character back stories and hope you will identify with one or more, but you are not given enough story to give a crap about any of them.

Then what is the deal with aircraft crashes in this movie? How many aircraft go down and how many people are injured or die? In this world if a plane crashed the EMT's would arrive with band aids...Not once, not twice..just about every time and aircraft goes down nobody even gets hurt!

And why was the end scene so similar to the end of Ghostbusters? It was shot so similarly, I predicted multiple things seconds before they happened. I think everybody in the theater saw the witch/Dana similarity before it even happened!

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Quote from: 69wannabe on August 06, 2016, 09:48:09 PM
Margot Robbie look's great either way!!!  :drool5:

No doubt, and the fact she's a psycho for some reason is even more attractive!   :cheers:
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Drache

Here are my thoughts on the Leto Joker. While watching the movie I was worried since he didn't even have a good smile on. At least not until shooting the AK-47 from the back  of the helicopter.

As for comparing one joker to the other. The Romero joker was just a twisted clown. Nicholson was a little crazy but was still a gangster and had a plan. Ledger was chaotic and yet still seemed to have a plan. The Leto joker though is supposed to by just plain mad. No real plan, just crazy and crazy in love with Harley Quinn. Which sadly doesn't follow the comic books at all. (Joker sort of helped Harley get captured, she got REALLY mad, and ended up shacking up with Deadshot for awhile).

I am hoping that a prequel Batman movie takes place. This scene from Batman vs Superman really piqued my curiosity.



The biggest problem with many movies like Suicide Squad like one person mentioned was the back stories. DC really seemed to expect only fans of the comic would watch the movie and thus know more of the backstories.

Loved how Harley Quinn was portrayed and loved how her original costume made a cameo. Loved how Will Smith handled his weaponry.

After all said and done, this movie was made for the fan service of those who liked the comic books.
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Haven't seen it but it is doing well. Probably in part because this has really been a crappy summer for big popcorn films and people are dying for them. Other than the latest Capt. America and maybe Star Trek (which is probably the only Trek film I've skipped) what else has had any big numbers this summer? Finding Dory?

Drache

Quote from: bull on August 07, 2016, 03:48:21 PM
Haven't seen it but it is doing well. Probably in part because this has really been a crappy summer for big popcorn films and people are dying for them. Other than the latest Capt. America and maybe Star Trek (which is probably the only Trek film I've skipped) what else has had any big numbers this summer? Finding Dory?

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Quote from: Drache on August 07, 2016, 08:14:12 PM
Quote from: bull on August 07, 2016, 03:48:21 PM
Haven't seen it but it is doing well. Probably in part because this has really been a crappy summer for big popcorn films and people are dying for them. Other than the latest Capt. America and maybe Star Trek (which is probably the only Trek film I've skipped) what else has had any big numbers this summer? Finding Dory?

Deadpool
X-Men Apocalypse
Batman vs Superman
Jason Bourne
Warcraft

Upcoming:
Dr Strange
Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them (Harry Potter Spin Off)

Yeah, like I said, crappy summer for big hits. Deadpool came out in February, not exactly a summer flick unless you're south of the equator. Fantastic Beasts and Rogue One will probably do well but those are not summer movies either. The Superman Batman thing apparently sucked too. I wouldn't know because I didn't bother. I keep telling my kids that DC should pay Marvel to do their movies for them.

Mike DC

            
QuoteThe Superman Batman thing apparently sucked too. I wouldn't know because I didn't bother. I keep telling my kids that DC should pay Marvel to do their movies for them.


I was told it was the typical scenario.  A 1/2-billion-dollar movie with a 1/2-finished script.  

Dino

Batman Vs Superman was one ginormous missed opportunity. There are some good parts in there and there are some very good parts in there. But then there are some mind boggling stupid scenes and the editing is all over the place. I needed 2 Excedrins just to finish the damn thing! Apparently the editing complaint was big enough for the studio to release the ultimate version which runs 30 minutes longer. I don't know if it makes the movie any better but I'm not buying a ticket again to find out.

I'm not sure that the rave reviews on any of these comic book movies are warranted really.
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Mike DC

QuoteApparently the editing complaint was big enough for the studio to release the ultimate version which runs 30 minutes longer. I don't know if it makes the movie any better but I'm not buying a ticket again to find out.

Word has it this makes a big difference.  The theater cut was axed up for time in a bad way. 


Hence my comment about shooting a half-finished movie.  They probably lost a couple hundred million bucks because they didn't wait long enough to get the stupid thing sorted out on paper and then edited well. 

Cncguy

I liked Batman V Superman but there were parts that seemed more like a movie trailer, short cut scenes. I blame this on the director Zack Snyder.

Drache

Quote from: bull on August 07, 2016, 10:48:23 PM
The Superman Batman thing apparently sucked too.

DC movies aren't as nicely flowing as Marvel movies and get bad reviews on websites, yet the fans give them good reviews. Box office wise B vs S did decent. It beat out Deadpool which was surprising.

The biggest problem I had with the B vs S movie was the whole "future flash back" scene which had no real reason being there. It's supposed to lead up with movies they plan on making over the next 10 years but it really felt out of place as no one understood it unless you were a diehard comic book fan.





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Deadpool deserved to be huge.  That was one of the most FUN summer-blockbuster-type movies I've seen in years.  

The problem is it's liable to spawn weak imitators.  Imagine a while string of R-rated, bloody, violent, over-directed, wisecracking superhero flicks.  That would get old very fast.  

Drache

Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on August 08, 2016, 01:34:18 PM
   
Deadpool deserved to be huge.  That was one of the most FUN summer-blockbuster-type movies I've seen in years.  

And yet money wise, it made less than Batman vs Superman  :shruggy:
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Quote from: Drache on August 08, 2016, 02:47:52 PM
Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on August 08, 2016, 01:34:18 PM
   
Deadpool deserved to be huge.  That was one of the most FUN summer-blockbuster-type movies I've seen in years.  

And yet money wise, it made less than Batman vs Superman  :shruggy:

It was the first shared onscreen appearance of the two biggest superheroes in comic history. Even with the negative reviews people just had to see it for themselves.
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bull

Quote from: Drache on August 08, 2016, 02:47:52 PM
Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on August 08, 2016, 01:34:18 PM
   
Deadpool deserved to be huge.  That was one of the most FUN summer-blockbuster-type movies I've seen in years.  

And yet money wise, it made less than Batman vs Superman  :shruggy:

Deadpool was an excellent movie with a little-known hero, a limited audience (rated R) and a small budget that didn't leave much $$$ for advertising. It was a gamble for the studio that paid off. Batman v. Superman was the opposite, a mediocre movie with tons of advertising, a lot of history and much broader audience base.

Drache

Quote from: bull on August 08, 2016, 04:22:13 PM
Deadpool was an excellent movie with a little-known hero, a limited audience (rated R) and a small budget that didn't leave much $$$ for advertising. It was a gamble for the studio that paid off. Batman v. Superman was the opposite, a mediocre movie with tons of advertising, a lot of history and much broader audience base.

I wouldn't call Deadpool a little known hero, behind Wolverine he is one of the best selling comic book characters Marvel has at the moment (both Canadian characters too  :nana: ). And it wasn't really a gamble for the studio. A fake deadpool trailer was released online and there was such an overwhelming support to make that fake trailer into a real movie they knew they had a "hit" before they even started filming. (FYI the fake trailer released online was actually used for a scene in the movie, the scene where the SUV is flipping over near the start of the movie).
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Deadpool basically happened in spite of the current big studio/franchise playbook, not because of it.  


Batman vs Superman was one of those event movies like StarWars#7.  'Too big to fail' but not too big to suck.  (I liked SW7 though.)  

bull

Quote from: Drache on August 08, 2016, 05:09:15 PM
I wouldn't call Deadpool a little known hero, behind Wolverine he is one of the best selling comic book characters Marvel has at the moment (both Canadian characters too  :nana: ). And it wasn't really a gamble for the studio. A fake deadpool trailer was released online and there was such an overwhelming support to make that fake trailer into a real movie they knew they had a "hit" before they even started filming. (FYI the fake trailer released online was actually used for a scene in the movie, the scene where the SUV is flipping over near the start of the movie).

Compared to the characters from the 1930s-1960s, yeah, Deadpool was little known character and a risk for the studio. Whether it was a gamble in reality or not, the studio believed it was: http://www.comicbookmovie.com/deadpool/ryan-reynolds-talks-deadpool-the-studio-is-reluctant-to-pull-the-trigger-a76079

http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/content/fox-studios-reluctant-deadpool-r-rated-movie-says-ryan-reynolds-video
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/deadpool/rumor-marvel-studios/disney-behind-deadpool-film-delay-a95229

"Executives at Fox — which had picked up at the project after earlier attempts to make it at Artisan Entertainment and New Line had stalled — balked at Deadpool's relative obscurity and the movie's anarchic comic tone, which seemed to clash with the studio's more sober-minded and highly lucrative "X-Men" franchise."

"But getting Fox onto that page proved frustratingly difficult. At one point, as it struggled to figure out what, if anything, to do with "Deadpool," the studio asked Reese and Wernick to write a PG-13 version."

"The project oftentimes felt dead," Reese said. "Tim [Miller] was giving the script to friends of his who were powerful, like David Fincher and James Cameron — they both liked it and expressed that to the studio. We were pulling any string we could pull."

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/cotown/la-et-hc-deadpool-superhero-movies-20160207-story.html

Drache

Quote from: bull on August 10, 2016, 12:32:56 AM
Compared to the characters from the 1930s-1960s, yeah, Deadpool was little known character and a risk for the studio.

"Executives at Fox — which had picked up at the project after earlier attempts to make it at Artisan Entertainment and New Line had stalled — balked at Deadpool's relative obscurity


Yeah but Fox executives are retarded. Deadpool comics are on average the fifth best selling comic book every month for Marvel.
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I'm glad they pulled it off myself (deadpool)!!! I watched it twice in the theater and i'm not sure how many time's here at home. The humor and action work for me and all the pop culture reference's were familiar. The freeway scene is one of my favorite if not my favorite action scene ever!! HAVE YOU SEEN THIS MAN!!??? LOL The best!!!  :smilielol:

bull

Quote from: Drache on August 10, 2016, 09:22:32 AM
Quote from: bull on August 10, 2016, 12:32:56 AM
Compared to the characters from the 1930s-1960s, yeah, Deadpool was little known character and a risk for the studio.

"Executives at Fox — which had picked up at the project after earlier attempts to make it at Artisan Entertainment and New Line had stalled — balked at Deadpool's relative obscurity


Yeah but Fox executives are retarded. Deadpool comics are on average the fifth best selling comic book every month for Marvel.

They're all retarded when it comes to risking millions of dollars. That's why it seems 50% of what studios greenlight is recycled garbage that they believe is a sure money-maker. At least they did it though, right? I would say they were all morons myself but at least they weren't stupid enough to totally scuttle it.

Mike DC

  
QuoteThey're all retarded when it comes to risking millions of dollars. That's why it seems 50% of what studios greenlight is recycled garbage that they believe is a sure money-maker. At least they did it though, right? I would say they were all morons myself but at least they weren't stupid enough to totally scuttle it.


As frustrating as it is to viewers, the remake/sequel/etc trend has been working.  

It doesn't make hits out of bombs.  But it usually does reduce how far the bombs fall.  What other gimmick has a track record so consistent & easy to use?

bull

Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on August 12, 2016, 01:48:49 AM
 
QuoteThey're all retarded when it comes to risking millions of dollars. That's why it seems 50% of what studios greenlight is recycled garbage that they believe is a sure money-maker. At least they did it though, right? I would say they were all morons myself but at least they weren't stupid enough to totally scuttle it.


As frustrating as it is to viewers, the remake/sequel/etc trend has been working.  

It doesn't make hits out of bombs.  But it usually does reduce how far the bombs fall.  What other gimmick has a track record so consistent & easy to use?


Agreed.