Window sticker for my charger.

[71_Charger_R/T]

Look at what I got!







Thank you Dave and Jon at ECS!  These guys are great to work with! Super nice! And very patient! I can't say enough good about them. Everything is precise on this Monroney label, right down to the perforations on the paper! Check it out.   I'm excited to have a cool addition to my car display.  I enjoyed researching things with them for this label. I even got to talk with Wade Hickey, the son of Lynn Hickey the dealership owner. I talked at length with the original owner of the car and how he came to order it and trade in his black 68 Charger R/T on it.    History....... That's what these cars are all about!  The stories they could tell if they were human!

[Bob]

Sweet!!

[crj1968]

   now you gotta make it look old.   

[charger440six_pac]

Not perfect though. There's one small detail they missed... can you find it? 

[6bblgt]

Not perfect though. There's one small detail they missed... can you find it? 

FWIW, the dealer added V4W (not available on an R/T - STANDARD on SE) wouldn't be on the "sticker".

is there something else?

[tan top]

Look at what I got!





Thank you Dave and Jon at ECS!  These guys are great to work with! Super nice! And very patient! I can't say enough good about them. Everything is precise on this Monroney label, right down to the perforations on the paper! Check it out.   I'm excited to have a cool addition to my car display.  I enjoyed researching things with them for this label. I even got to talk with Wade Hickey, the son of Lynn Hickey the dealership owner. I talked at length with the original owner of the car and how he came to order it and trade in his black 68 Charger R/T on it.    History....... That's what these cars are all about!  The stories they could tell if they were human!

good stuff  , ive always wondered that  ,  the history of our cars & what they have seen & done    , if they could only talk eh 

[charger440six_pac]

FWIW, the dealer added V4W (not available on an R/T - STANDARD on SE) wouldn't be on the "sticker".

is there something else?

I don't see a V4W on the window sticker... 

The detail to which I refer doesn't require an in depth knowledge of the options. It's in the 'typo' category... 

[6bblgt]

when did May Avenue Dodge become Lynn Hickey Dodge?

[71_Charger_R/T]

C'mon guys!  You're bursting my bubble!  Yes the vinyl top was dealer installed so that wouldn't be on the sticker, but what are you seeing as the typo? The original owner said it was "Lynn Hickey Dodge" Do you have information otherwise 6bbl?  Dave said if I find any errors or need of change, that it would be no problem for him to change.
Please let me know what you guys know.  I'm always up for learning something new.

[charger440six_pac]

Ok, enough teasing... Here you go.



The real one on the left doesn't have the A01 option but there is also an ampersand character in the description for this option. So it appears that ECS has a font missing in their character set. Oops...  

Close up of the ampersand characters.

[6bblgt]

"charger440six_pac" can you share the complete original window sticker?
I saw the top on the car and found the OP's build thread where he stated the top was dealer added, so I thought that's what you  were referencing.

as far as "May Avenue Dodge VS. Lynn Hickey Dodge" - I just have info that they were at the same address in OKC, I do not know when "May" started/stopped or when "Hickey" started/stopped - thought maybe it came up in your conversation with the owner's son?

I asked a friend who's dad was a salesman there (at Lynn Hickey Dodge) from "late-'71 to late-'73", he also claims to have owned the OP's car for 15+ years. SMALL WORLD!!

[Homerr]

Ok, enough teasing... Here you go.
... So it appears that ECS has a font missing in their character set. Oops...  

Close up of the ampersand characters.

....

Countdown until ECS flames the hell out of this thread...

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Ok, enough teasing... Here you go.
... So it appears that ECS has a font missing in their character set. Oops... 

Close up of the ampersand characters.

....

Countdown until ECS flames the hell out of this thread...

In before the lock!   

[charger440six_pac]

"charger440six_pac" can you share the complete original window sticker?
...

Since it's not for my Charger and I don't recall when or where I got the image, I'd rather not. If you just want to look at the full description of options without the identifying header data, that might be okay; I don't need an upset owner on my hands... 

[71_Charger_R/T]

"charger440six_pac" can you share the complete original window sticker?

   I asked a friend who's dad was a salesman there (at Lynn Hickey Dodge) from "late-'71 to late-'73", he also claims to have owned the OP's car for 15+ years. SMALL WORLD!!

Was that friend Scott L. ?  he is the only one that has owned it  (for about 15 years) outside of the original owner and the guy I bought it from who only had it for a couple of months.

[6bblgt]

yeah, that's him
& is ECS intentionally doing anything to prevent their window stickers from being aged & passed off as "originals"? such as the "ampersand"?
a number of car owner's/dealers think/advertise their AAA Enterprises window stickers are/as authentic.

May Avenue Dodge is listed in the 1968 "Scat Pack Dealers" list.

[71_Charger_R/T]

I called Wade hickey again to find out for absolute sure that was the "DBA" in 1971 and he told me YES, In 1971 it was Lynn Hickey Dodge, it was May ave. Dodge until 1970 and then became Lynn Hickey Dodge from '70 on.
As to the insurance of people not passing them off as real by artificial aging. I think Dave keeps a very good data-base and could call them out on it if they tried to deceive as he did with the door VIN sticker on the '70 Sublime V-code Charger R/T with (supposed) A/C and cruise.   They had aged and distressed the VIN sticker (that matched the dash VIN) to appear original and Dave showed proof of making a reproduction. I know people beat up on Dave for making these type of stickers and documents, but he is licensed by the car companies and with the Gov. to do so and is fully within the laws. He keeps good records from what I've seen and there is a clear paper trail that could bring out the truth if it came to that point. I'm personally glad he does it as they are needed in some restorations, and I like to see exact reproductions of what once was. I fully understand peoples fear of others using it to defraud, but anything can be used for wrong in some way or fashion. I'm not sure but you may be right. The ampersand omission may be that way of "watermarking" them. I will ask that of Dave when I contact him to see if that can be corrected.
Thank you guys, for your input and questions! If there is anything else you see or question, let me know and I will try to find the concrete correct answer. I like to have things correct but my desire is to be accurate and not deceive. I also want to give credit to those who help me get these things accurate. So, thank you "Charger440six" and "6bbl"(another way of keeping a future owner from deceiving is to have this type of public forum to refer to. You can see I'm not trying to hide anything. My car is what it is and thats all.  

[charger440six_pac]

I'm curious what ECS has to say, I'm considering having them do a window sticker for my car (that's why I've been researching them).

At the end of the day, you must keep in mind you have a pretty nice reproduction. I didn't see anything else wrong with it. A non-Mopar person would never spot the typo and most Mopar guys probably wouldn't notice it either. If Dave can correct it, even better. 

[ECS]

I'm curious what ECS has to say.........If Dave can correct it, even better.

Thanks for the responses.  The mixup was definitely on our end.  We are using a different format for making these and Lyndon's unit exposed a glitch in our new format.  We do in fact have every original character and the Fonts we use are made from the original ones used by Chrysler.  It took a long time to set up the MANY option codes for the 1970 thru 1971 vehicles.  We now enter the information into a different program and "auto character" did not recognize that particular code and switched it in the System.  This was the first Window Sticker we attempted to do with this new setup.  (We are hoping to reduce the cost to the Customer by using a more efficient process.)  The characters are still the same but we obviously need to check all of the typeset characters to make sure that everything is being translated correctly.  We have 4 or 5 different Employes that work with these items and not all of them know the specific print characteristics that were used on Chrysler Window Stickers.  We will fix this issue and get you out new copies to correct the incorrect characters.

One other note to those who referenced the "address" that is listed on the Window Sticker.  Since we do not have every Dealership in our database that sold these Cars in 1970 and 1971, we sometimes rely on the Customer to provide the information for the Dealership that sold their vehicle.  When tidbits of information are missing, I have my Chrysler Constituents run the data through their network for verification and the address will sometimes change over the years.  The Dealer Code will be the same but some changes might have occurred with regards to specific location.  

We will be happy to include whatever changes need to be made when the "&" is corrected.  When there is not an original Window Sticker to format from, we do the best we can with the information that is provided to us.  We definitely won't stop until the Customer is completed satisfied with the final product!

[71_Charger_R/T]

Did I tell you these guys are great or what!?   

[ECS]

......is ECS intentionally doing anything to prevent their window stickers from being aged & passed off as "originals"?

No.  We do everything possible (with our products) to make sure that our Customers get an authentic representation of what came on their vehicle when it was new. 

[cdr]

......is ECS intentionally doing anything to prevent their window stickers from being aged & passed off as "originals"?

No.  We do everything possible (with our products) to make sure that our Customers get an authentic representation of what came on their vehicle when it was new. 

Good job Dave !!!!

[6bblgt]

I left for Carlisle so this is posted from my phone and I won't be checking regularly.

Unless I'm not seeing things clearly, Any full 71 window stickers I've seen have 45 lines of type, Dave, your reproduction shown above has 44?  I have no problem with reproduction window stickers they are definitely needed and add to the look of a restored car, The most popular comment I've heard is people not believing how "little" these cars cost when new.

The first line of the description also has different spacing on the reproduction versus the original shown in this thread. I don't know if this is consistent on originals? I have also seen 71 charger RT window stickers that have a little bit different wording and have hardtop abbreviated H.T. I do not know if this is plant differences or early versus late differences or flip of the coin, shift, operator.

[moparnation74]

In the end, no matter how perfect it is....it is a reproduction.  Overall, it is a nice addition to have as a display item for someones car.

Especially, if you know where the vehicle was sold from.....

Furthermore, they gain a lot of spectator attention as it relates to your vehicle....I cannot count how may questions I got from a spectators about my original window stickers...

[charger440six_pac]

Unless I'm not seeing things clearly, Any full 71 window stickers I've seen have 45 lines of type, Dave, your reproduction shown above has 44? 
...

The first line of the description also has different spacing on the reproduction versus the original shown in this thread.
...

I have images of three full stickers and they all have 45 lines in the description section so I believe you are correct.

The images of original stickers I have don't have the space between the '8' and the 'CYL.'.

There are definitely differences between stickers for the same model printed at different factories.

[ECS]

The first line of the description also has different spacing on the reproduction versus the original shown in this thread.

The two you are comparing are different Window Stickers.  We did not attempt to reproduce the original that someone pictured as a comparison.  When a Customer does not have an original to format from, we have no choice but to default to the kerning characteristics we have documented from a large selection of other original examples that we have researched.  Not every example is exactly the same.  Similar to VIN Decals, you can't use one original example to justify or explain the print features of another.  Even though they were all engineered to look the same, the process for manufacturing them causes print changes in the positioning, color density, etc........  There are even option codes that are exactly the same but use different wording to describe the option feature.  

Since we didn't have an original to use as a format, we have no choice but to select one of the original versions we have in our database.  We do a series of "proofs" under the direction and approval of the Customer.  If they want specific codes, we use the information from other original Window Stickers to encrypt that data.  Our spacing and kerning is formatted exactly as it was documented from our original examples.  When we select one version or style it may not match the characteristics of someone else's original example.  If the person who posted their original example is looking for an exact match to their particular example, we can certainly provide it.  

[ECS]

If the person who posted their original example is looking for an exact match to their particular example, we can certainly provide it.  

Rather than compare two different examples to prove a point, below is the original Window Sticker from one of my Cars and the reproduction that I made to represent it.  (I even "aged" it a bit to make it look more authentic.)  Also keep in mind that no one can ever make an "original" to replace an "original".  Our Window Stickers are printed by one of the same Manufacturers that made them for Chrysler (back in the day) so that's about as good as we can reproduce them.  

I purchased a Scat Pack Challenger last year and my Chrysler Friend had another Window Sticker printed from the Factory for me to keep in my files.  It's not the "original" that came with the Car but it's as good and authentic looking as the original one.

[crj1968]

Imperial was a brand? 

[ECS]

So it appears that ECS has a font missing in their character set. Oops...   Close up of the ampersand characters.

Here are the new Window Stickers that we did for Lyndon.  I personally worked on these new versions today.  (I'm hoping Lyndon won't mind me posting this update.)  They have all the "correct" characteristics that were spelled out in some of the previous posts.  The 44 versus 45 line differential was due to an issue with our new program software and it was corrected.
 
One thing is worth mentioning here regarding the "correct" listing of the 8CYL versus the 8 CYL spacing difference.  We found 3 "correct" variations for the same year and same Model Car.  There were examples that exhibited a single space, no space or a "dash" that separated the characters.  It's impossible to know every nuance that came on a Window Sticker without having the original as a reference.  Minor things of this nature was simply the preferential typing styles of who ever was entering the information or did the initial setup.  There were no Engineering mandates or Federal protocol that dictated character spacing issues such as the one seen here.

NOTE:  If there are any other changes you want for us to make Lyndon, we will be happy to do so.  Adding the additional line made it a one page instead of a two page Window Sticker.  I made 3 copies of each variation (8CYL or 8 CYL) for a total of 6 copies, so you have each style to choose from.  Let me know what you think of this new format and we will get them shipped asap.  Thanks.

[crj1968]

Oh man I did the math on the total and it's off.      




Good stuff ECS. 

[ECS]

Good stuff ECS.  

Thanks!  Here are the 2 versions next to one another so everyone can see that there are no "Photoshop" shenanigans taking place.  We are able to turn the characters sideways, upside down or in any other configuration that is requested.     These are every bit as authentic/correct in appearance and touch as the originals used by Chrysler............guaranteed!  If you had an original sitting side by side, next to one of our "aged" reproductions, you could not tell the difference. 

[71_Charger_R/T]

Thank you Dave!  Great work!   

[polywideblock]

if its not a rude question ,what is the cost  for these ?  have all the dealer paperwork for my RT but no window sticker , have "advanced  dealer shipping notice"
what was the difference  ?

[TPR]

These look great. This is something I would like to have produced for my '68 R/T.
You may here from me soon, after the little glitches are fixed.
TPR

[ECS]

if its not a rude question ,what is the cost  for these ?

It's not a rude question at all.  I haven't worked out a firm price as of yet but I don't want them to be more than in the $60-$70 range.  I offered these a long while back but stopped making them because the process was too difficult and not too cost effective.  We have since purchased some of the finest "state of the art" printing equipment for other areas of our Business.  As an added benefit, we found that this new equipment can also work for manufacturing Window Stickers as well.  

Since coming up with a new processes for making a more "authentic" Window Sticker, we are close to offering items for Chrysler as well as all other Brand X Cars.  Below is one of the products we are supplying for a Company named Kirban Performance.  Not only are we doing Chrysler/Dodge Window Stickers, we are reproducing Ford, Pontiac, Chevrolet, Oldsmobile, Buick and a few others.  The years range from 1969 to 1990 in some cases.  We have located all of the correct substrate materials to match the originals perfectly.  Below is one of our Buick examples for a 1987 Grand National.  (Sorry for the glare in the lower right corner of the picture.)

[polywideblock]

when you have worked out the costs could you please post 

so was the "advanced dealer shipping notice" a similar thing but  for the dealers  instead 
  sorry but being in another country have never seen these before I got the rt

[ECS]

have all the dealer paperwork for my RT but no window sticker , have "advanced  dealer shipping notice"
what was the difference  ?

Those are just about as good as an original Window Sticker to use as a format.  Please feel free to post a picture of the one you have to show what it looks like. 

[polywideblock]

sorry not the best pic but what I have at the moment

[bee1971]

Where Do I Sign Up ?

Scott

Have The Work Already Done On My Computer Based Off The Fender Tags And Broadcast Sheet

Just Would Like To Get It Printed - Anyways

Triple A Enterprise Did One Some Time Ago , But Forgot Some Factory Options , Correct Me If I Am Wrong , And They Have Not Answered My Emails Over The Months

[71_Charger_R/T]

WWW.ECSAutomotive.com   Or 1-855-532-7846

[polywideblock]

any word on a price yet 

[71_Charger_R/T]

if its not a rude question ,what is the cost  for these ?

It's not a rude question at all.  I haven't worked out a firm price as of yet but I don't want them to be more than in the $60-$70 range.  I offered these a long while back but stopped making them because the process was too difficult and not too cost effective.  We have since purchased some of the finest "state of the art" printing equipment for other areas of our Business.  As an added benefit, we found that this new equipment can also work for manufacturing Window Stickers as well.  

[A12 Superbee]

I'd love one of these for my A12 but all I have is the fender tag. If I got one made I'm guessing the dealer would have to be plucked out of thin air, so I'd go for a little known one that won't draw too much attention, like Sox & Martin or Grand Spaulding Dodge.

Dave (ECS) I'm in Australia so calling you is not an option, I'll shoot you an e-mail and maybe we can discuss how best to populate a window sticker with the little information I have?

It looks a great product, maybe I should get you to do a broadcast sheet also? I'm asking this here because I want a permanent online record that the genuine items for my A12 no longer exist and don't want anyone to get swindled in the future if I ever sell the car.

[ws23rt]

 ^^^^^^^  

[ECS]

sorry not the best pic but what I have at the moment

Thanks for posting that picture.  What color are the seats/interior of your Car?

[polywideblock]

black interior   d6x9 on fender tag 

[ECS]

so was the "advanced dealer shipping notice" a similar thing........

Some of the imaging was a bit hard to see when I enlarged it from your photo.  Take a look at this and tell me if it matches your original Dealer copy.  Thanks!

[polywideblock]

very cool   now how do I get it    

dave your inbox is full

[polywideblock]

 mine  arrived yesterday     thanks Dave
we might not see eye to eye on everything but I will say you do excellent work , I'm very pleased with the result     

[charge69]

You are lucky to get this.  I have both a fender tag and legible build sheet but, I have no idea where it was bought new. I am the third owner. Supposedly somewhere on the east coast.  The fellow I bought it from in 1976 had owned it since 1971 and no longer remembered who he bought it from.

I just do not want one made without knowing exactly which dealer was the selling dealer originally.

AND .... yes, the prices are amazing to people these days!

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

......is ECS intentionally doing anything to prevent their window stickers from being aged & passed off as "originals"?

No.  We do everything possible (with our products) to make sure that our Customers get an authentic representation of what came on their vehicle when it was new. 

What's needed to create sticker? No idea on original dealer.