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How rare is a factroy '73 Charger SE 440 auto 3.55s (w/o air)?? AXLE/TRANS#s

Started by 6bblgt, June 26, 2016, 01:59:04 PM

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6bblgt

it seems most '73-'74 b-bodies with a 440 have A/C & 3.23s (or 3.21s)
anyone have a 440 car with factory 3.55 axle??

VegasCharger

Especially if you add an SE model. Never seen a 1973-74 Charger SE w/o A/C.

Sorry I couldn't answer your question.

400sforever

ive got one with a/c tho, but no build sheet. car had 4.56s with I got it so no way to verify factory gearing on it
1974 dodge charger se 512 cubic inches, 3.91 suregrip

69CoronetRT

Quote from: 400sforever on June 27, 2016, 07:29:13 AM
ive got one with a/c tho, but no build sheet. car had 4.56s with I got it so no way to verify factory gearing on it

If the car was built at the Lynch Road plant (A in the VIN) and you still have the fender tag, the axle assembly code, which includes gearing, will be on the tag.
Seeking information on '69 St. Louis plant VINs, SPDs and VONs. Buld sheets and tag pictures appreciated. Over 3,000 on file thanks to people like you.

400sforever

are you sure about that on a 73/74 tag? ive got a lynch road 4 speed 74 with build sheet and fender tag with no ratio code on the tag?
1974 dodge charger se 512 cubic inches, 3.91 suregrip

6bblgt

the "AXLE ASSEMBLY" part number is on the Lynch Rd. tag - top line 988 / 989 / 992 / etc.

post a pic

400sforever

excellent im goin to go look at mine and see whats on it there. I know it was a 3.55 car from the factory. . I just looked and after my interior code on the tag it has a 000 code and then a 925 code (the top line of my tag has seguences of 5 to 6 numbers and then it has a 701 code and another long number sequence after that). . is that code only on the top line of lynch road tags? if so I learned something today
1974 dodge charger se 512 cubic inches, 3.91 suregrip

6bblgt

In the '80s my 2 brothers bought '73 Chargers, I had my '68 at the time (none with A/C) ......

we believe both '73s were stock - autos w/3.55s - the 400 was the quickest 1/4 miler of the three  :scratchchin: but my '68 went thru the traps at 97mph  :icon_smile_big:

400sforever

heres my lynch road tag. . im not seeing any 9s in my top line there..did they change something in 74?
1974 dodge charger se 512 cubic inches, 3.91 suregrip

6bblgt

 :2thumbs: the "415" is the PP833 4-spd and also indicates the shifter location (forward w/"dog-bone" or rear mounted like an E-body)

Where's yours?

400sforever

thanks! is there some place on the internet that spells out those codes?
1974 dodge charger se 512 cubic inches, 3.91 suregrip

6bblgt

some of the codes are in Galen's "white books" (he doesn't have any of the axles smaller than 8-3/4")
- the "415" transmission isn't there for example (he shows "416" & "417" for '74 & has none listed from '73)

the shop manual and/ Parts Catalogs might be of some help

6bblgt

Is your '74 Charger the Mr. Norm's Rallye that was on eBay a couple of years ago?  :2thumbs: 400 4-speed = SWEET!!

EccentricMagpies

Awesome !   thanks for that !

Seem to have the same rear in my 360 car.

I see i have a "416".  Must be opposite of 400s4ever

'74 Rallye 4spd (WH23L4) (1 of 94)
'74 Rallye Auto (WH23L4) (quad black)
'69 Swinger 340 - 4spd
'70 Duster 340 - 4spd

6bblgt

OK - so what's the difference in your two 4-speed transmissions "415" VS "416"??  360 VS. 400 should be the same, correct? NO, NO, NO!!

bench / buckets / console / CAR (Center Arm Rest) / none of the above - what have you got?

:icon_smile_blackeye: the transmission assembly part number  includes the bellhousing *** small-block VS. big-block WILL be different

EccentricMagpies

Mine has the buddy seat.  I do not think it has the orig seats though.  I think there was a mangled up 71 build sheet in one of them. 
'74 Rallye 4spd (WH23L4) (1 of 94)
'74 Rallye Auto (WH23L4) (quad black)
'69 Swinger 340 - 4spd
'70 Duster 340 - 4spd

6bblgt

1974
4-speed manual transmission assembly part numbers

a 400 4-speed car: buckets - w/console, w/o console, w/o CAR= "415" = 23-spline PP833 transmission, big-block bell-housing & rear mounted shifter w/short pistol grip (b-body ONLY)

a 318/360 4-speed car: buckets - w/console, w/o console, w/o CAR = "416" = 23-spline PP833 transmission, small-block bell-housing & rear mounted shifter w/short pistol grip (b & e-body)

a 400 4-speed car: bench seat or buckets & CAR = "417" = 23-spline PP833 transmission, big-block bell-housing & forward mounted "dog-bone" shifter w/long pistol grip (b-body ONLY)

a 318/360 4-speed car: bench seat or buckets & CAR = "418" = 23-spline PP833 transmission, small-block bell-housing & forward mounted "dog-bone" shifter w/long pistol grip (b-body ONLY)

can you guys confirm?  :2thumbs:

EccentricMagpies

Thank you for the information on that. 

My other 360 car, silver one I show in user photo, has the short pistol grip shifter.  I actually recently swapped that out for the bench seat shifter about 2 weeks ago.  It's a non console car too.
'74 Rallye 4spd (WH23L4) (1 of 94)
'74 Rallye Auto (WH23L4) (quad black)
'69 Swinger 340 - 4spd
'70 Duster 340 - 4spd

400sforever

Yes that is the fender tag from that mr norms 4 speed that was on eBay! That 400 4 speed car is actually a console car with buckets
1974 dodge charger se 512 cubic inches, 3.91 suregrip

polywideblock



  and 71 GA4  383 magnum  SE

EccentricMagpies

'74 Rallye 4spd (WH23L4) (1 of 94)
'74 Rallye Auto (WH23L4) (quad black)
'69 Swinger 340 - 4spd
'70 Duster 340 - 4spd

69CoronetRT

Seeking information on '69 St. Louis plant VINs, SPDs and VONs. Buld sheets and tag pictures appreciated. Over 3,000 on file thanks to people like you.

EccentricMagpies

Quote from: 6bblgt on June 27, 2016, 02:36:02 PM
1974


the 360 4-speed car appears to have been buckets w/o console or CAR = "416" = 23-spline PP833 transmission, small-block bell-housing & rear mounted shifter w/short pistol grip (b & e-body)

can you guys confirm?



Yes.  The location is the same as my '74 silver - bucket seat - non console car which has the short shifter.

'74 Rallye 4spd (WH23L4) (1 of 94)
'74 Rallye Auto (WH23L4) (quad black)
'69 Swinger 340 - 4spd
'70 Duster 340 - 4spd

Chargerguy74

Quote from: 69CoronetRT on June 27, 2016, 12:13:59 PM
Quote from: 400sforever on June 27, 2016, 07:29:13 AM
ive got one with a/c tho, but no build sheet. car had 4.56s with I got it so no way to verify factory gearing on it

If the car was built at the Lynch Road plant (A in the VIN) and you still have the fender tag, the axle assembly code, which includes gearing, will be on the tag.

True in most cases. One of mine has a Job number instead (Lynch car).
WANTED: NOS or excellent condition 72-74 4 speed shifter boot for bench or centre armrest car, part number 3467755. It's a rubber boot that looks like it's sewn up leather.

WANTED: My original 440 blocks. Serial # 2A188182 and 3A100002

Chargerguy74

Quote from: 6bblgt on June 27, 2016, 01:10:45 PM
:2thumbs: the "415" is the PP833 4-spd and also indicates the shifter location (forward w/"dog-bone" or rear mounted like an E-body)

Where's yours?

My 360 4 speed with buddy seat uses the forward mounting pad and has a 418 on the tag. My 400 4 speed bucket car has a 415 on its tag.
WANTED: NOS or excellent condition 72-74 4 speed shifter boot for bench or centre armrest car, part number 3467755. It's a rubber boot that looks like it's sewn up leather.

WANTED: My original 440 blocks. Serial # 2A188182 and 3A100002