For the 1st Generation lover's...

[69Charger_440]

Here is a numbers matching '67 Charger I am thinking of buying.  Would like to hear what anyone has to say concerning the price they would be willing to pay for it.  I know these shots aren't really the best angles, but it was in a tight spot.  Anyhow, there was some scratches, and a few dents, but nothing major.  There are some bubbles that are on the left and right lower rear quarter panels, but no major rust that I could see, it has not eaten through the metal.  Anyhow, here are some shots.

[69Charger_440]

Here is a numbers matching '67 Charger I am thinking of buying.  Would like to hear what anyone has to say concerning the price they would be willing to pay for it.  I know these shots aren't really the best angles, but it was in a tight spot.  Anyhow, there was some scratches, and a few dents, but nothing major.  There are some bubbles that are on the left and right lower rear quarter panels, but no major rust that I could see, it has not eaten through the metal.  Anyhow, here are some shots.

[69Charger_440]

last ones.

[Headrope]

Are you sure it's a '67? The aluminum trim on top of the fenders had turn signals incorporated into them for '67. The ones in the pictures look to be '66 sticks.

[69Charger_440]

I believe you are correct.  So anyhow, do you have an opinion on how much this car might be worth?  How much would you pay/offer for it?

Thanks,
Fernando

[TruckDriver]

I wouldn't mind that. Nice and clean under the hood. Does it run? I'd think it's worth about $4,000. But, I don't really know much about 1st gens either.

[Headrope]

To me it looks like the average first gen fixer upper missing the typical hard-to-find pieces.

Fenders: I believe the trim pieces should have turn signal indicators for it to be a '67. You have what looks to be a 66 stick on the passenger side and no trim on the driver side. It could indicate the car has been wrecked and the fenders replaced, which could me something much bigger is hiding under the paint bubbles.

Passenger door: There looks to be a mirror on the passenger side door in the picture. I"m not sure if that was an option or not. If not, it could indicate the door was wrecked and replaced.

Hood: There looks to be a missing trim piece that bolts to the front lip of the hood. It can be difficult to find those without them being all banged up, rock dented, etc. I'm not aware of them being re-popped.

Quarter trim: There is an L-shaped trim piece pictured on the rear-most top of the right quarter panel that looks bent. For it to be bent like that, one might think someone tried to pull it off (by pulling up on it) or the car was tail smacked. I'm not aware of the pieces being re-popped.

In what condition are the tail light lenses in? Those are unique to the first gen too - and the new Challenger concept everyone seems to love, despite it being little more than a platform of borrowed ideas ... but that's for another thread.

Trunk: Can't tell from the picture, but in what condition is the chrome-looking stick that goes across the trunk lid? Those are near impossible to find without being pitted, rusted, etc. They are one of the few trim pieces being re-popped. I think the re-pop costs more than $200.

Is the big medalion on the trunck lid? There should be.

Headlights: There is usually a reason for it if you can see a first gen's headlights during the daytime. First gens had rollaway headlights- much more complicated than the cheap hideaway doors on second and later gens.  It usually means the headlight motors need to be replaced; another couple hundred dollars. And then there are limit switches ($159), etc.

C-Chrome: The "holy grail" part on first gens is the c-shaped chrome piece that wraps around the otter-most part of the headlight assembly. They bolt directly on to the fenders; the fender trim issue might identify your fenders as an issue. C-CHROMES ARE NEAR IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND WITHOUT THE MOUNTING POSTS MISSING OR THE PIECES BEING CRACKED. They come across on Ebay from time to time for more than $200 a piece (as in more than $400 for both).

Over all the car looks to be in good shape. What would be a fair price depends on if it's a 67 or not. Only 15,000 Chargers were made in 67; 35,000 in '66 - making both a limited production run compared to the other Chargers. Even still - first gens will never really have the resell value of a second gen. We're a weird, wacky bunch.

A terrific resource for you on this car could be www.66-67charger.com and www.chargersourceguide.com.

Good luck.

[hemi68charger]

Are you sure it's a '67? The aluminum trim on top of the fenders had turn signals incorporated into them for '67. The ones in the pictures look to be '66 sticks.

Also, does it have the full-length center console all the way to the rear?

Looks like a nice solid Charger.... Hope it works out..........

Troy

[69Charger_440]

First of all, thanks for your opinions.  I am not too savvy on what these 1st generations go for or what they are supposed to come with.  I will certainly look for some more info on the website you recommended. 

Headrope, thanks for the brief summary that you gave concerning the Charger.  Although the guy who has it in his shop swears it is a '67.  Before I asked you guys for help, I asked the owner if he had all the missing trim, etc...and he said, "Yes."  The car does appear to have a lot of stuff in the backseat, so I dunno.  I guess I'll have to take a closer look. 

Dodgechargerguy, it does run, but I couldn't take it for a spin because the owner has about three broken down cars in front of this one (it's in a mechanic shop). 

Hemi68Charger, yes it does have the full length console all the way to the rear, which at first I thought was kind of weird, but cool at the same time. 

This guy was also supposed to put me in contact with a friend of his who has (3) 440's, and who might be willing to sell all three.

Anyhow, thanks for your advice, guys. 

[67_Dodge_Charger]

Try to get the vin number and fender tag information.  Like headrope said it was probably wrecked.  Does it have a hood release next to the ignition? 

I would procede with caution.  It most likely will need extensive sheet metal repair.  Look for signs of repair work, specifically butchered repair work.  I would want to drive the car if it runs.  I would offer $2000 if the owner does not want to move the other cars out of the way.  It really depends on the condition of the mechanical. 

good luck

-Robert

[Headrope]

First of all, thanks for your opinions.  I am not too savvy on what these 1st generations go for or what they are supposed to come with.  I will certainly look for some more info on the website you recommended. 

Headrope, thanks for the brief summary that you gave concerning the Charger.  Although the guy who has it in his shop swears it is a '67.  Before I asked you guys for help, I asked the owner if he had all the missing trim, etc...and he said, "Yes."  The car does appear to have a lot of stuff in the backseat, so I dunno.  I guess I'll have to take a closer look. 

Dodgechargerguy, it does run, but I couldn't take it for a spin because the owner has about three broken down cars in front of this one (it's in a mechanic shop). 

Hemi68Charger, yes it does have the full length console all the way to the rear, which at first I thought was kind of weird, but cool at the same time. 

This guy was also supposed to put me in contact with a friend of his who has (3) 440's, and who might be willing to sell all three.

Anyhow, thanks for your advice, guys. 

A full-length console is almost a dead giveaway that the car is a '66, discounting any weird factory hijinks or a previous owner installing a full-length console on his/her own (which would not seem to make any sense).
The full-length console was discontinued after '66 due to complaints about not being able to crawl across if you want to exit the car on a different side.
The '67 console ends just behind the front seats.
Get the VIN and fender tag info if the seller will let you and then try to find Fastback Jon. He helps keep the 66-67 registry up and running (http://66-67charger.com/registry/).

[FastbackJon]

That's me!

Definitly a '66. Check the VIN, the sixth digit should be a '6', for 1966. Looks like a cool car. $4000 doesn't sound bad either.

[Ghoste]

It has 66 seat covers and exterior mirrors too so the evidence is pretty heavy that it is a 1966 car.  Still be a nice one when it's finished with the 383 and a/c and all.  I often tell people that fastback Chargers are among the cheapest musclecars to buy and most expensive to restore.  If all the trim is there though and it's in good shape, then that is a big deal.  They are an extremely satisfying car to own though once they are finished.  4000 is a good ballpark figure for it judging by the pics.
Also, a 66 can't technically be numbers matching.  It may have the original drivetrain but you basically have to take them at their word since the numbers weren't stamped into those components at that time.  The casting dates should be on there and they should fall into line with the build date of the car but that is about the best you can do.

[Nacho-RT74]

wasn't 66 hood with recesed areas on front on hood to DODGE letters ? or viceversa ?

66 with gold medalion on grill and 67 with red medalion ?... or viceversa ?

engine it looks to be 66 383 since on 67 was 6 bolts valve covers and that one it looks to be a 4 bolts one

[Crazy Larry]

Definitly 66 seats - 'cause the pleats/stripes run horizontally, the 67's had verticle pleats.

[67RedCharger]

Definately a 66 Charger with all of tha aforementioned reasons.  The engine bay gives away the color the Charger was originally as being a PP1 Chrylser Red color.  You are looking at close to $30,000.00 to restore the car to original condition, but keep in mind, that will give you a brand new car that will take you anywhere you want to go, and remember, that B bodies are getting harder and harder to find.  The Source guide is an excellent starting point to get involved in fixin' her up.  Well worth $4 k

  ~ Don ~

[Nacho-RT74]

then recesed hood lettering and gold medallon on grille are 67 and not 66 features...

[bullit68]

that looks like a decent car.the single pot master cylinder also gives it away as a 66.that lower quarter panel rust is through the metal.they rust from the inside out.dont worry about the "it'll cost 30k to restore",just drive it and have fun with it and fix it as you go.

[Ghoste]

Natcho, the recessed hood letters are a 67 thing.  As for the gold medallion, it is a source of constant and sometimes very heated debate among fastback fans.  Most people believe that no medallions were gold and some have faded from red to gold over time.  Some folks say that early 66 cars had gold.  Neither argument can be proven but personally, I lean to the faded red argument

[blackcharger]

$4gs sounds good to me. Crawel under it and check the frame & floors. Check the corners of the gas tank. They have hughe folded up corners that love to hold dirt and rot the tank out. And I'd loose that single bowel master cylinder.Looks like a nice driver.

Dave

[69Charger_440]

Nevermind, guys.  He is asking wayyyy to much for it ($11,000.00).  Anyhow, I still have my '69  .  Thanks anyhow, for all the advice and help from everyone!

Fernando   

[Ghoste]

Ouch!  Too bad.   I just hope it gets saved by somebody.
You're right to concentrate on the 69.