70 Superbee VIN question... Hemi?

[Edelbroke]

First off I bought this car with no title. (not with the intention of rebuilding it)
The VIN and the fender tag have been removed. I assume it was rebodied quite a while ago possibly before replacement parts were so widely available or they thought it was just easier to rebody the car. It's a 1970, lime light green car or sublime? It has a big block k-member and 4 speed pedals still in place. I know the rear end was also swapped out for the one from parts car the front fenders came off because there is blue overspray on the leaf springs. My question is since they left the trunk gutter partial vin under the weather strip, can I piece this cars vin back together to see if it was one of the 4 hemi cars produced? This car is a coupe, the rear 1/4 glass does not roll down, just flips out. So the first 4 digits of the vin would be WM21. It's either one of 1336 383/4spds, one of 109 440 six pack 4spds, or one of 4 426 Hemi 4 speeds.  Is there a source were the hemi vin numbers would be accounted for?
I will post the last digits of the vin later today after I get the weather strip removed.

[Daytona R/T SE]

Does it have torque boxes?

Rear leaf spring mount reinforcement plates?

Pinion snubber reinforcement plate on the floor above pinion ? 

[tan top]

 

sounds interesting !   any chance of taking some underside shots  , of the above mentioned areas ?

[70 sublime]

Will it make you feel better if it WAS a hemi car and not just a 383 car ??

You said dash tag and fender tag are gone
It will never be that hemi car ever again because what happens to the other hemi car with those same numbers out there still driving around ?

Think you would be opening up a big can of worms if you found the other car and told them it is a fake unless you sell them what you have so they could rebuild yours back into what it once was or buy it to just destroy the evidence

[Edelbroke]

Wont make me feel any different one way or the other. Just curious what it started out as...


There were more digits on the trunk rail than I expected to see.
 

[GOTWING]

 

[Edelbroke]

Will it make you feel better if it WAS a hemi car and not just a 383 car ??

You said dash tag and fender tag are gone
It will never be that hemi car ever again because what happens to the other hemi car with those same numbers out there still driving around ?

Think you would be opening up a big can of worms if you found the other car and told them it is a fake unless you sell them what you have so they could rebuild yours back into what it once was or buy it to just destroy the evidence

I was thinking about your post since I first read it... Technically it still IS whatever it WAS because the guy who did the A+1 rebody left some numbers behind. I don't condone the rebody restoration method, not only for the illegal aspect part of it, its just plain lazy. But again, I didn't buy it to restore... It has a good cowl and front roof pillars, dash structure, big block K-member among other little parts. Just was curious it see if that trunk vin number could be decoded into what it started life as... That number is - G0 I 44998 -

[70 sublime]

 

[CRW-FK5]

Will it make you feel better if it WAS a hemi car and not just a 383 car ??

You said dash tag and fender tag are gone
It will never be that hemi car ever again because what happens to the other hemi car with those same numbers out there still driving around ?

Think you would be opening up a big can of worms if you found the other car and told them it is a fake unless you sell them what you have so they could rebuild yours back into what it once was or buy it to just destroy the evidence

I was thinking about your post since I first read it... Technically it still IS whatever it WAS because the guy who did the A+1 rebody left some numbers behind. I don't condone the rebody restoration method, not only for the illegal aspect part of it, its just plain lazy. But again, I didn't buy it to restore... It has a good cowl and front roof pillars, dash structure, big block K-member among other little parts. Just was curious it see if that trunk vin number could be decoded into what it started life as... That number is - G0 I 44998 -

I don't blame you.  I'd want to know, as well.

[tan top]

  from that picture , sorry to say !  its not a Hemi body

[69CoronetRT]

Just was curious it see if that trunk vin number could be decoded into what it started life as... That number is - G0 I 44998 -

From just a partial VIN number, you will never know what it was born as unless the VIN, fender tag or broadcast sheet show up and can be matched to that body.

All that tells us it was a 70 Coronet built at the STL plant.

[Mytur Binsdirti]

With no title, VIN tag, fender tag or Hemi add-ons, you simply have a parts car.

[birdsandbees]

 from that picture , sorry to say !  its not a Hemi body

Looking at those two pictures poses a question. What was the proper bolt orientation??? The bolt into mount and nut on outside, as in pic 1 before installation to car, or pic #2 with the nut on the inside? 

[tan top]

 from that picture , sorry to say !  its not a Hemi body

Looking at those two pictures poses a question. What was the proper bolt orientation??? The bolt into mount and nut on outside, as in pic 1 before installation to car, or pic #2 with the nut on the inside? 

as far as I know & all  the original cars ive seen , & mine was like this !  ,   first picture !   nut on out side  , bolt head against the frame rail  ,

I await to be corrected 

[DAY CLONA]

 from that picture , sorry to say !  its not a Hemi body

Not always a true indicator, I've seen a few original HEMI cars over the decades that don't have the torque boxes and some without the skid plate on the K as well

[DAY CLONA]

 from that picture , sorry to say !  its not a Hemi body

Looking at those two pictures poses a question. What was the proper bolt orientation??? The bolt into mount and nut on outside, as in pic 1 before installation to car, or pic #2 with the nut on the inside?  

as far as I know & all  the original cars ive seen , & mine was like this !  ,   first picture !   nut on out side  , bolt head against the frame rail  ,

I await to be corrected  

Correct the nut should be on the outside of the leaf/eye bracket with the bolt on the inside, this is a redundant safety feature should the nut rust off or "fall" off, then the bolt head and it's shoulder are trapped by the frame rail from walking out

[ws23rt]

 from that picture , sorry to say !  its not a Hemi body

Not always a true indicator, I've seen a few original HEMI cars over the decades that don't have the torque boxes and some without the skid plate on the K as well

It's always good to hear about the odd deviations from what most of us have grown to accept as the norm.  

I want to hear more about the odd ones.

[Edelbroke]

Day Clona, is this the skid plate you are talking about? I have 2 other k members for comparison that don't have this plate.

[birdsandbees]

 from that picture , sorry to say !  its not a Hemi body

Looking at those two pictures poses a question. What was the proper bolt orientation??? The bolt into mount and nut on outside, as in pic 1 before installation to car, or pic #2 with the nut on the inside?  

as far as I know & all  the original cars ive seen , & mine was like this !  ,   first picture !   nut on out side  , bolt head against the frame rail  ,

I await to be corrected  

Correct the nut should be on the outside of the leaf/eye bracket with the bolt on the inside, this is a redundant safety feature should the nut rust off or "fall" off, then the bolt head and it's shoulder are trapped by the frame rail from walking out

THANKS! 

[MoPaR 312]

That is the skid plate yes... I know they also came with a 440 6 pack along with the hemi. Did they come on the 440's too??

[Edelbroke]

Is there anything else up front either under the hood or on the top of the k-member that will distinguish between a 440-6 and a hemi car? If I decided to sell this k-member I would like to be able to say for sure what it is. Thanks everyone

[DAY CLONA]

Is there anything else up front either under the hood or on the top of the k-member that will distinguish between a 440-6 and a hemi car? If I decided to sell this k-member I would like to be able to say for sure what it is. Thanks everyone

No pic of the motor mounts? what's the coin number welded on the front of the K frame?, 1 coin or 2 coins? (one welded on top of the other?) what about the lower control arms, do they have an added square/thick plate under the rubber rebound bumper approx 1/4 inch thick?

[MoPaR 312]

Yes can you take another picture of the k-frame. The coins are located just to the right(drivers side) of the previous picture you posted. I'm not home now so I can't double check but do 2 coins signify just 440 and up or 440+6 & Hemi?? I know my 440+6 Charger has two coins but don't remember if the 440 does.

[MoPaR 312]

Reason I ask the question about if the 2 coins were only on 440-6 and Hemi is because I was thinking they were on 440 cars also. I actually asked this question last week in a different thread, a 70 Charger RT/SE was on eBay and that k member only had 1 washer welded on it. I have an older picture of my k member with 2 washers welded on it if somebody wants to post it on here for reference. Don't want to mess with the hassle of figuring that out on my phone.

[birdsandbees]

S15 - "Hemi Suspension" was also an option code on some cars, like my 440-4 Bird. So don't think the coin thing is going to have any bearing on whether it was actually a Hemi car. Mine has two coins, if my memory is working...