Who's replaced their power steering box? And with what/ results

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

I've got a leak on one, right at the fittings, and perhaps a seal. Probably best to just replace at this point.

Don't want to go auto parts brand, unless there is a much better unit available. Please advise on what you used, and why. Thanks. 

[Mopar Crazy]

I went with Firm Feel PSB2.......$359  www.firmfeelinc.com   A friend put one in his 69 Coronet. Worked great..

[tan top]

 Firm feel here too    good guys to deal with 

[Mopar Nut]

Firm Feel will be rebuilding mine.

[Charger-Bodie]

I've gotton several from rock auto and have had only good luck.

[Mogre]

I purchased mine from  "steer and gear" in Ohio because I could pick it up at Carlisle. Got the stage 2 unit. One of the best improvements I made. Great product and great people.

[myk]

Consider the Borgeson.  Lighter, smaller and it has the built in quick ratio too.  It does cost some more, but I'm told that the steering feel is completely modern with excellent feedback.  That's what I'm buying into later this year...

[Mopar Nut]

Consider the Borgeson.  Lighter, smaller and it has the built in quick ratio too.  It does cost some more, but I'm told that the steering feel is completely modern with excellent feedback.  That's what I'm buying into later this year...

Don't you need to shorten the steering shaft when using the Borgenson?

[funknut]

I got the FirmFeel stage 3 and love it. Still have the stock pitman arm.

[myk]

Consider the Borgeson.  Lighter, smaller and it has the built in quick ratio too.  It does cost some more, but I'm told that the steering feel is completely modern with excellent feedback.  That's what I'm buying into later this year...

Don't you need to shorten the steering shaft when using the Borgeson?

No, there's an adapter that allows you to keep your stock steering column and not have to irreversibly modify anything...

[Derwud]

Waiting for my Borgenson box and adapter. Firm Feel and Steer & Gear do a great job putting lipstick on a pig....

[68 RT]

Consider the Borgeson.  Lighter, smaller and it has the built in quick ratio too.  It does cost some more, but I'm told that the steering feel is completely modern with excellent feedback.  That's what I'm buying into later this year...

Don't you need to shorten the steering shaft when using the Borgeson?

No, there's an adapter that allows you to keep your stock steering column and not have to irreversibly modify anything...

States right on their website steering shaft has to be shortened and you have to use their coupler.

[moparnation74]

Firm Feel here and no problems 

[BrianShaughnessy]

I bought a FirmFeel stage 2 for like $350 plus shipping back and forth across the country that probably came to something ridiculous like $450+ for Black Betty to replace a leaky old box.

Sinnamon got a Advance Auto rebuilt that I had a discount coupon for that cost me just over $50.

They both seem to work. 

[Derwud]

Consider the Borgeson.  Lighter, smaller and it has the built in quick ratio too.  It does cost some more, but I'm told that the steering feel is completely modern with excellent feedback.  That's what I'm buying into later this year...

Don't you need to shorten the steering shaft when using the Borgeson?

No, there's an adapter that allows you to keep your stock steering column and not have to irreversibly modify anything...

States right on their website steering shaft has to be shortened and you have to use their coupler.

http://bergmanautocraft.com/proddetail.php?prod=5-0010

[myk]

Consider the Borgeson.  Lighter, smaller and it has the built in quick ratio too.  It does cost some more, but I'm told that the steering feel is completely modern with excellent feedback.  That's what I'm buying into later this year...

Don't you need to shorten the steering shaft when using the Borgeson?

No, there's an adapter that allows you to keep your stock steering column and not have to irreversibly modify anything...

States right on their website steering shaft has to be shortened and you have to use their coupler.

Nope, look closer on their website.  There's ANOTHER adapter that eliminates any cutting...

[holanae]

I used steer and gear, and I really enjoy the improvement.  Cost less than FF.  My only complaint was that they didn't send back one of the original bolts.  I noticed because there was a huge difference in setting torque with the replacement bolt.  I called and they swore up and down that they sent all the original bolts.  I asked them to look around for me and they wouldn't.  The bolts heads are very specific for the steering box and it's noticable.  Cost was great, but I wouldn't use them again because of it.

[myk]

You mean the bolts that hold the box to the car?

[Kern Dog]

I went with Firm Feel PSB2.......$359  www.firmfeelinc.com   A friend put one in his 69 Coronet. Worked great..

I went with their Stage 3 along with the Fast Ratio Idler and Pitman arms. The FR arms quicken the ratio from 15.7 to 1 down to around 12 to 1.
faster response, higher effort than even the Stage 3.
Do it...DO it.

[6spd68]

Waiting for my Borgenson box and adapter. Firm Feel and Steer & Gear do a great job putting lipstick on a pig....

What are your complaints on the Firm Feel and Steer & Gear?

[XS29L]

Removed my power steering to change to manual steering.  This swap took about 45 pounds out of the nose of my 68 R/T.  Used an OE style aluminum steering box .  This car is more of a street/strip build.

[Derwud]

Waiting for my Borgenson box and adapter. Firm Feel and Steer & Gear do a great job putting lipstick on a pig....

What are your complaints on the Firm Feel and Steer & Gear?

Old tech, old parts.. I want new, I have driven the best of the 70's and the worst of the 90's, the 90's car steer and handle better on their worst day than 70's on their best day..

[Mopar Nut]

Consider the Borgeson.  Lighter, smaller and it has the built in quick ratio too.  It does cost some more, but I'm told that the steering feel is completely modern with excellent feedback.  That's what I'm buying into later this year...

Don't you need to shorten the steering shaft when using the Borgeson?

No, there's an adapter that allows you to keep your stock steering column and not have to irreversibly modify anything...

States right on their website steering shaft has to be shortened and you have to use their coupler.

Nope, look closer on their website.  There's ANOTHER adapter that eliminates any cutting...

Do you have the part number?
 
Here's what reads on there website:

"Borgeson has now developed a modern power steering box for the 1962-1982 Mopars. This box fits both factory power & manual steering cars. The Borgeson conversion box offers a 14:1 quick ratio, firm modern power steering feel, drastically increased header clearance and a 10# weight savings over a factory power box. This box bolts directly to the stock K-member mounting location and fits the original 1-1/8" pitman arm. The steering column will need to be shortened for installation of this conversion box.
NOTE: This box will fit all original Mopar 1-1/8" pitman shafts. If you car has the larger 1-1/4" pitman shaft you will need to purchase part #800127.

STEERING COLUMN MODIFICATIONS
The original steering column shaft will need to be cut and shortened for installation. Connection to the box is then made by drilling and pinning our #036425 Mopar vibration reducing universal joint coupling to the shortened steering column shaft. Drill bit and pins included with coupler."

[myk]

Lol, Derwud posted the link and the image of the coupler that I'm talking about on this page,  but I'll post it again for everyone:

Consider the Borgeson.  Lighter, smaller and it has the built in quick ratio too.  It does cost some more, but I'm told that the steering feel is completely modern with excellent feedback.  That's what I'm buying into later this year...

Don't you need to shorten the steering shaft when using the Borgeson?

No, there's an adapter that allows you to keep your stock steering column and not have to irreversibly modify anything...

States right on their website steering shaft has to be shortened and you have to use their coupler.

http://bergmanautocraft.com/proddetail.php?prod=5-0010

"Bergman Auto Craft direct fit steering box coupler. This adapter eliminates the need for any steering column modification on A, B and E body vehicles when installing a Borgeson/Delphi power steering box. Comes with coupler rebuild kit and is finished in satin black powdercoat. Plunge style coupling replaces stock coupling on virtually every Mopar Includes coupler rebuild kit..."

[garner7555]

Waiting for my Borgenson box and adapter. Firm Feel and Steer & Gear do a great job putting lipstick on a pig....

What are your complaints on the Firm Feel and Steer & Gear?

Old tech, old parts.. I want new, I have driven the best of the 70's and the worst of the 90's, the 90's car steer and handle better on their worst day than 70's on their best day..

That is blunt, but I agree.  I have high expectations out of my car with aftermarket suspension, chassis stiffening, and the Borgenson box.      
I put a Borgenson on my car but I'm still doing the restoration so I won't be able to test it anytime soon. 

[b5blue]

Sooo....970.00 plus shipping? (Box/fittings/adapter)

[myk]

Yeah it's pricey.  I'm not going to be able to swing it until 4th quarter of this year.  I'm worried that if I wait that long they'll run into more production/supply issues, though.

[Derwud]

Waiting for my Borgenson box and adapter. Firm Feel and Steer & Gear do a great job putting lipstick on a pig....

What are your complaints on the Firm Feel and Steer & Gear?

Old tech, old parts.. I want new, I have driven the best of the 70's and the worst of the 90's, the 90's car steer and handle better on their worst day than 70's on their best day..

That is blunt, but I agree.  I have high expectations out of my car with aftermarket suspension, chassis stiffening, and the Borgenson box.      
I put a Borgenson on my car but I'm still doing the restoration so I won't be able to test it anytime soon. 

I have driven my car in 1980 and in 82'ish with a fresh front-end rebuild and alignment, I remember it felt great, but even on it's best day, can't compete with how my 2005 truck feels with 80K miles on it! Yes, my truck would out handle my Charger from back in the day. Don't get me started on shipping cars without sway bars and how they felt!

[b5blue]

Looks a lot like a Jeep box?

[Mopar Nut]

Lol, Derwud posted the link and the image of the coupler that I'm talking about on this page,  but I'll post it again for everyone:

Consider the Borgeson.  Lighter, smaller and it has the built in quick ratio too.  It does cost some more, but I'm told that the steering feel is completely modern with excellent feedback.  That's what I'm buying into later this year...

Don't you need to shorten the steering shaft when using the Borgeson?

No, there's an adapter that allows you to keep your stock steering column and not have to irreversibly modify anything...

States right on their website steering shaft has to be shortened and you have to use their coupler.

http://bergmanautocraft.com/proddetail.php?prod=5-0010

"Bergman Auto Craft direct fit steering box coupler. This adapter eliminates the need for any steering column modification on A, B and E body vehicles when installing a Borgeson/Delphi power steering box. Comes with coupler rebuild kit and is finished in satin black powdercoat. Plunge style coupling replaces stock coupling on virtually every Mopar Includes coupler rebuild kit..."

 Shoot I was looking on Borgeson website, thanks myk and thank you Derwud.

[myk]

Aw damn it I should've mentioned I was looking at Bergmanautocraft.com.   sorry!

Looks a lot like a Jeep box?

That's exactly what it is...

[toocheaptosmoke]

Got a Lares box off rockauto for like 70 bucks w/o a core fee, been working fine for a couple years, no slop.  Shimmed the power steering pump regulator for less pressure and it works good.     Sold my old box at carlisle for $35. 

[ACUDANUT]

Got a Lares box off rockauto for like 70 bucks w/o a core fee, been working fine for a couple years, no slop.  Shimmed the power steering pump regulator for less pressure and it works good.     Sold my old box at carlisle for $35. 

Sounds good to me. 

[b5blue]

Aw damn it I should've mentioned I was looking at Bergmanautocraft.com.   sorry!

Looks a lot like a Jeep box?

That's exactly what it is...

So if a Jeep box we should figure out what one...Jeep is CHEAP!

[ACUDANUT]

Got a Lares box off rockauto for like 70 bucks w/o a core fee, been working fine for a couple years, no slop.  Shimmed the power steering pump regulator for less pressure and it works good.     Sold my old box at carlisle for $35. 

Sounds good to me. 

How do you shim a pump regulator ?

[toocheaptosmoke]

Got a Lares box off rockauto for like 70 bucks w/o a core fee, been working fine for a couple years, no slop.  Shimmed the power steering pump regulator for less pressure and it works good.     Sold my old box at carlisle for $35. 

Sounds good to me. 

How do you shim a pump regulator ?

Some info and a link in here, http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,117791.0.html

[ChargerST]

Aw damn it I should've mentioned I was looking at Bergmanautocraft.com.   sorry!

Looks a lot like a Jeep box?

That's exactly what it is...

So if a Jeep box we should figure out what one...Jeep is CHEAP!

My money is on the 99-04 Jeep Grand Cherokee (WJ) steering boxes.. mounting ears would have to be removed and new ones added though.

[myk]

I'm pretty sure the Borgeson boxes are unmodified.  I'll ask Bergman for sure...

[Mopar Nut]

Borgeson confirmed their mopar boxes are new, not modified. 

[myk]

Thanks for the heads up...

[Calif240]

Love my firm feel...
Terry

[ACUDANUT]

 My Money is Rock auto or your local parts store. 100.00 with trade in is better than a leaking PS gear box.