AMD PRODUCTS MADE IN TAIWAN

[ACUDANUT]

WTF, I thought we (USA) were back on track making quality metal again for our Muscle Cars. 
NOPE

[Nacho-RT74]

And IOS products are made in China

[ACUDANUT]

Nacho, what are IOS products ? 

[dual fours]

"International Organization for Standardization", Made to International Standards, everybody is on the same page in manufacturing there products.
This may make it clearer to you.   http://www.iso.org/iso/home/standards.htm
You may buy a product that may be listed as "ISO 9001 Standard Certified".

[Brock Lee]

WTF, I thought we (USA) were back on track making quality metal again for our Muscle Cars.  
NOPE

This has been known all along. Remember that company that was offering Made in USA full quarters the exact same time the AMD's came out? Being Made in USA was the only marketable difference they had. They were more than double AMD's price..the market spoke..price comes first, origin is of least importance.

[hemi-hampton]

WTF, I thought we (USA) were back on track making quality metal again for our Muscle Cars.  
NOPE

This has been known all along. Remember that company that was offering Made in USA full quarters the exact same time the AMD's came out? Being Made in USA was the only marketable difference they had. They were more than double AMD's price..the market spoke..price comes first, origin is of least importance.

Yes, I remember that. I think those American made 1/4's were better. To bad he's not around anymore. I don't like aftermarket. But some will say they fit like a glove & as good as NOS, ect, ect, I disagree, my ruler & measurements don't lie. LEON.

[dual fours]

If some say this plenty of times, soon some believe it to be true.

[Bronzedodge]

Remember that company that was offering Made in USA full quarters the exact same time the AMD's came out? Being Made in USA was the only marketable difference they had. They were more than double AMD's price..the market spoke..price comes first, origin is of least importance.

Anyone remember who and how long ago that was?

[66FBCharger]

 

[72Charger72]

Nacho, what are IOS products ? 

ACUDANUT .....IOS is Apple or Mac
I recently talked to a guy at Gold Star (wholesale distributor) who stated ALL the AMD Goodmark etc are from China.... AMD GoodMark and Gold Star are resellers...not much made in the states anymore.

[dual fours]

72Charger72, Nacho used Upper case letter for the "I" in his "ISO", Apple or Mac uses lower case letter for the "i" in there "iSO".
I think I'll keep my scratched and dented original Mopar sheet metal a little time longer yet.

[Dodge Don]

WTF, I thought we (USA) were back on track making quality metal again for our Muscle Cars.  
NOPE

This has been known all along. Remember that company that was offering Made in USA full quarters the exact same time the AMD's came out? Being Made in USA was the only marketable difference they had. They were more than double AMD's price..the market spoke..price comes first, origin is of least importance.

I bought two full quarters from him and two door skins. I cannot recall the name...American Hardcore Racing or something like that. As I recall he had the stamping plates from Chrysler. He began offering them well before AMD ever had anything to offer. At that point it was used or NOS....no one made full quarters. At that time I had never even heard of AMD. He advertised in a few Mopar mags back then and he came on DC.Com to promote his new full quarters and I remember he was met with nothing but skepticism and negativity.....as I recall they were like $5,000 for a pair. People complained about the price, questioned the existence of the product, questioned the quality etc. He did not get a warm and fuzzy welcome.

I contacted him and decided to take a chance, since no one was biting I made a deal with him....$3500 for a pair of full quarters and a pair of door skins and if my restoration shop liked them then I would post my experience on DC.com to provide a real opinion. They were drop shipped directly to the resto shop and after checking them out they told me they were fantastic. Really well made, correct gauge metal and NOS fit. Saved a ton of work hours in the shop. I posted pictures of them on the site. At that point I was the only one who had actually bought them and could give a real opinion. I know a few other guys back then followed and bought them and were pleased based on emails I got from them. But the price point was still high and eventually AMD showed up and his business vanished.

The guy was legit and had a great product and was a pioneer but I suppose back then the Mopar crowd was too upset with the shoddy repro parts available at the time (nothing like today....the early stuff was crap) and his stuff seemed too good to be true and too expensive.

All I can say is the stuff I got was brilliant and my experience was very positive. My car is the proof I suppose.

[72Charger72]

72Charger72, Nacho used Upper case letter for the "I" in his "ISO", Apple or Mac uses lower case letter for the "i" in there "iSO".
I think I'll keep my scratched and dented original Mopar sheet metal a little time longer yet.

dual fours
Nacho said IOS not ISO so i thought he was joking about Apple being made in China! 

[Dodge Don]

Apple is made in China

And the International Standards Organization is ISO. They are not a regulatory or governance body. They simply establish standards that can be followed if desired.

[charger_fan_4ever]

Remember that company that was offering Made in USA full quarters the exact same time the AMD's came out? Being Made in USA was the only marketable difference they had. They were more than double AMD's price..the market spoke..price comes first, origin is of least importance.

Anyone remember who and how long ago that was?

Pretty sure it was classic body design. They were out around 2008 when i bought my 70. Was the only reason i bought my car knowing there was full repop metal. That being said i bought AMD basically the 1st run of all their stuff. All i can say is i hope the stamps have been tweaked as we had to remake the marker light hole on the 70 full quarters. 35 hours bodywork to straighten the passengers side. I pretty much re skinned the whole car with AMD.

The pieces that fit well were the full floor and footwells, outter rocker,trunk floor, roof skin was ok

the
full quarters
trunk drop offs
tail panel
door skin
dutchmen panel
rear valance corners

All needed a ton of metal work before body work. To give you an idea the scallops on the door skin extended past the factory r/t door scoops. Brought this to their attention and they said oops. Dutchmen panel had to be spliced to make the gap between the quarter correct, cut and re welded the corners for the rear window trim pieces to fit.


All this said atleast its something to work with as without this jobber metal my car would never have been saved.

The 1 piece trunk floor fit like a glove.

[Troy]

Remember that company that was offering Made in USA full quarters the exact same time the AMD's came out? Being Made in USA was the only marketable difference they had. They were more than double AMD's price..the market spoke..price comes first, origin is of least importance.

Anyone remember who and how long ago that was?

Originally the company was named Classic Body Designs. After a while the original owner sold it and it became Hardcore Racing or something. I have one of the quarters still in a box in my garage. I'm pretty sure pricing was the problem - especially once AMD really got to producing parts. People will praise Made in USA all day but will still buy a part made overseas if it's 1/3rd of the cost (and, in this case, reasonable quality).

Troy

[Dodge Don]

Yes that was it...Classic Body Designs. The guys name was Ron Lushia. I wonder whatever happened to the parts or manufacturing pieces when he went under.

[charger_fan_4ever]

Remember that company that was offering Made in USA full quarters the exact same time the AMD's came out? Being Made in USA was the only marketable difference they had. They were more than double AMD's price..the market spoke..price comes first, origin is of least importance.

Anyone remember who and how long ago that was?

Originally the company was named Classic Body Designs. After a while the original owner sold it and it became Hardcore Racing or something. I have one of the quarters still in a box in my garage. I'm pretty sure pricing was the problem - especially once AMD really got to producing parts. People will praise Made in USA all day but will still buy a part made overseas if it's 1/3rd of the cost (and, in this case, reasonable quality).

Troy

Yup was getting close to cost of NOS quarters when i was looking into them.


If these jobber parts places could actually get the parts right even if the part was double the cost we would be ahead in the end. Case in point my AMD quarters after installed required metal work plus 35 hours of body work.

These $1800 quarter(set) cost 5k  by the time they were ready for paint. NOT counting the install time.

This being said a 3000 set of quarters that just need to be installed and are straight would be cheaper in the long haul.

[Brock Lee]

He began offering them well before AMD ever had anything to offer. At that point it was used or NOS....no one made full quarters. At that time I had never even heard of AMD.

He was advertising and offering them a long, long time before the actual product materialized. That was part of negativity. It seemed like we all were being led down the same route we were on with grilles..someone comes along offering this needed product, given hope it is on the way, we are putting restorations on hold waiting, but for whatever reason, the actual production kept being delayed. They did not actually appear until months before AMD released theirs. I doubt he sold many in that time as everybody bitched about prices..he had started lowering prices a little when AMD hit and cleaned his clock.

I saw a set of these quarters and door skins at one of the Indy swap meets. They were beautiful. Personally, I feel the "made from original tooling" claim is bullshit. It was pretty obvious the delays were refinements being made. I think the people that bought him out began the original tooling horseshit..they were the same people that jumped the General Lee Enterprises 4 speed R/T to get attention to the brand..

But once again, to drive it home..it all hinges on price. The majority shop by price first, quality second, and origin last. Put a USA made TV for sale for $3K and a similarly speced, same size China made one next to it for $600..nobody will buy the USA made one. That is why we are in this situation. That is why we will never get out of it.

[hemi-hampton]

Remember that company that was offering Made in USA full quarters the exact same time the AMD's came out? Being Made in USA was the only marketable difference they had. They were more than double AMD's price..the market spoke..price comes first, origin is of least importance.

Anyone remember who and how long ago that was?

Pretty sure it was classic body design. They were out around 2008 when i bought my 70. Was the only reason i bought my car knowing there was full repop metal. That being said i bought AMD basically the 1st run of all their stuff. All i can say is i hope the stamps have been tweaked as we had to remake the marker light hole on the 70 full quarters. 35 hours bodywork to straighten the passengers side. I pretty much re skinned the whole car with AMD.

The pieces that fit well were the full floor and footwells, outter rocker,trunk floor, roof skin was ok

the
full quarters
trunk drop offs
tail panel
door skin
dutchmen panel
rear valance corners

All needed a ton of metal work before body work. To give you an idea the scallops on the door skin extended past the factory r/t door scoops. Brought this to their attention and they said oops. Dutchmen panel had to be spliced to make the gap between the quarter correct, cut and re welded the corners for the rear window trim pieces to fit.


All this said atleast its something to work with as without this jobber metal my car would never have been saved.

The 1 piece trunk floor fit like a glove.

Yes, I remeber Ron Lushia, Talked to him many times. It was hardcore racing that jumped the General lee & then gave the run around for months on the new quarters. Ron left Hardcore & took the quarters with him & started Classic body design. I got a sneak peek/view of his quarters just before they hit the market here at a local Mopar Show in Detroit Area. I posted pics of them back then. They looked very nice to me. To bad AMD put him out of Business. I quoted Charger fan because he said the quarters & other parts fit like Crap, I wish the guys in here that say there is nothing wrong with there parts (and all other aftermarket) & they all fit great would respond to your problems with fit. But I already know what they would say, if they did not fit then nothing wrong with the part, the problem is you or the body shop working on it, they just don't know what the hell they are doing. LEON.

[dual fours]

72Charger72, Nacho used Upper case letter for the "I" in his "ISO", Apple or Mac uses lower case letter for the "i" in there "iSO".
I think I'll keep my scratched and dented original Mopar sheet metal a little time longer yet.

dual fours
Nacho said IOS not ISO so i thought he was joking about Apple being made in China!  

Yes 72 Charger72, you are correct. My apology to you.
My confusion being the Home Page of ISO, it states "We're ISO, the International Organization for Standardization" . I get confused easily. ISO or IOS

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

I was a spokes person for both company's   LOL

Classic was better with their Photoshopping skills though

[hemi-hampton]

What's a spokes person do?

[Barfyspitz]

I read the original post from 2007 and it seems like everybody was complaining that the prices were anything from outrageous to pure full on rape. Poor guy...made America didn't stand a chance. I paid top dollar for doorhandles and mirrors that year one claimed was made in America and they were not. They were made in China and are absolute junk. But they look pretty. I do my best to buy made in America whenever I can. I paid probably $300 more for my suspension kit but it was made in Ohio. I felt better about the price knowing it would be better quality and was keeping Americans working.

[hemi-hampton]

Some people say the foreign aftermarket works great, nothing wrong with it?

[charger_fan_4ever]

Remember that company that was offering Made in USA full quarters the exact same time the AMD's came out? Being Made in USA was the only marketable difference they had. They were more than double AMD's price..the market spoke..price comes first, origin is of least importance.

Anyone remember who and how long ago that was?

Pretty sure it was classic body design. They were out around 2008 when i bought my 70. Was the only reason i bought my car knowing there was full repop metal. That being said i bought AMD basically the 1st run of all their stuff. All i can say is i hope the stamps have been tweaked as we had to remake the marker light hole on the 70 full quarters. 35 hours bodywork to straighten the passengers side. I pretty much re skinned the whole car with AMD.

The pieces that fit well were the full floor and footwells, outter rocker,trunk floor, roof skin was ok

the
full quarters
trunk drop offs
tail panel
door skin
dutchmen panel
rear valance corners

All needed a ton of metal work before body work. To give you an idea the scallops on the door skin extended past the factory r/t door scoops. Brought this to their attention and they said oops. Dutchmen panel had to be spliced to make the gap between the quarter correct, cut and re welded the corners for the rear window trim pieces to fit.


All this said atleast its something to work with as without this jobber metal my car would never have been saved.

The 1 piece trunk floor fit like a glove.

Yes, I remeber Ron Lushia, Talked to him many times. It was hardcore racing that jumped the General lee & then gave the run around for months on the new quarters. Ron left Hardcore & took the quarters with him & started Classic body design. I got a sneak peek/view of his quarters just before they hit the market here at a local Mopar Show in Detroit Area. I posted pics of them back then. They looked very nice to me. To bad AMD put him out of Business. I quoted Charger fan because he said the quarters & other parts fit like Crap, I wish the guys in here that say there is nothing wrong with there parts (and all other aftermarket) & they all fit great would respond to your problems with fit. But I already know what they would say, if they did not fit then nothing wrong with the part, the problem is you or the body shop working on it, they just don't know what the hell they are doing. LEON.

Oh ya heard that one before too. We actually braced and welded the car to a stand before anything was cut off. Didn't seem to matter lol.

[Nacho-RT74]

72Charger72, Nacho used Upper case letter for the "I" in his "ISO", Apple or Mac uses lower case letter for the "i" in there "iSO".
I think I'll keep my scratched and dented original Mopar sheet metal a little time longer yet.

dual fours
Nacho said IOS not ISO so i thought he was joking about Apple being made in China! 

Right...
Meaning also not just garbage is made in China... is just about get the right controls

But being you guys up there are quite often so closed mind about stuff being made in China ( or whatever country in the world ), that Apple products states on back DESIGNED IN CALIFORNIA ASSEMBLIED IN CHINA... Which is the same than MADE IN CHINA. Just to sway the MADE IN CHINA fact, and be accepted in USA by the crowd

Althought is true China produces garbage at low cost ( cheap repros mostly ), is true also you can get good stuff being made outside USA, just need to get the correct quality controls, no matter where in the world is made.

Dozens of USA brands make their products in China, but is the brand fault to keep the quality ( if actually cares about )

[Brock Lee]

There are also lots of US brands that push the envelope in terms of the actual origin their products are made. They will take items made overseas and have a minimal amount of US labor do just enough to have it branded "Made in USA". The rules in which items can be labeled "Made in USA" is constantly changing to stay current with the crazy things companies do to put "Made in USA" on foreign made products. 

[Mike DC]

 
True.


If you build a whole vehicle body in Mexico, and a whole drivetrain in Canada, does it get to wear a "made in USA" label as long as you mate them together here? 

[Barfyspitz]

There are also lots of US brands that push the envelope in terms of the actual origin their products are made. They will take items made overseas and have a minimal amount of US labor do just enough to have it branded "Made in usa

That's true. The new when I'm seeing a lot of it is "made in America with foreign materials".  But I honestly think that the products that are actually still made in America are better quality they always fit and they work right. if you do have a problem getting exchange is usually no problem. The gAskets and  wiring harnessess I paid double for looked perfect and worked  easy as could be. All the trim pieces that were made in China that I unfortunately had to buy weren't even close to fitting right