Where can I get the LL1 paint code exact sample?

[cavemanno1]

Hi guys!

I need to get LL1 paint chip or a sample.All I can find is pages from books on eBay auctions.If I buy one of them is it an exact colour match?Doe colours looks different on paper,plastic and metal?

Thanks,

Peter

[hemi-hampton]

I don't think a paper book example is a exact match. I don't think anything is. I can spray the same paint out of the same gallon can & get 2 different colors depending on many different variables. LEON.

[cavemanno1]

So what's your suggestion?How can I get the LL1 paint code sample so they can make the paint for me?
I'm in Hungary(Europe)and everything is more complicated to sort out here.I thought there are little samples available like when you buy paint for your house.Little cards that fold out.Isn't anything available or should I just find someone with LL1 car and ask if they could send me a semple?

How do you guys get your factory correct paint code right?

[Dans 68]

I'm having my '68 painted in its original LL1 in a few months, and I have specified the paint to be PPG LL-1 Medium Turquoise Blue (B/C). That should be good enough. Will every car that is painted to that code be the same color? No, but close I believe. If you desire it have the shop doing your painting make up some test panels with their formulation. If it looks good, you're good.

Dan

[hemi-hampton]

So what's your suggestion?How can I get the LL1 paint code sample so they can make the paint for me?
I'm in Hungary(Europe)and everything is more complicated to sort out here.I thought there are little samples available like when you buy paint for your house.Little cards that fold out.Isn't anything available or should I just find someone with LL1 car and ask if they could send me a semple?

How do you guys get your factory correct paint code right?

I suggest you buy that chip in book you seen on ebay. Have them mix the formula, then spray your car. Problem solved. LEON.

[cavemanno1]

Leon,I was going to do that but I just wanted to try to get a "correct" sample to get it right and not going by that from the book!It looks like I have to do that after all.

Dan,you specified to paint them in that colour which I can't do because they have never heard from that colour let alone know what it should be!
Oh well,will get that book sample and get some different shades mixed and see which one we like best!

Thanks,

Peter

[Brock Lee]

This isn't hard. LL1 is PPG code 13371. It is also a 1968 Plymouth color called "Surf Turquoise". Just go to where ever you are going to buy your paint, tell them you are looking for 1968 Dodge LL1 Medium Dark Turquoise..they will find the modern formula. They can also tell you where else it shows up.

[hemi-hampton]

Leon,I was going to do that but I just wanted to try to get a "correct" sample to get it right and not going by that from the book!It looks like I have to do that after all.

Dan,you specified to paint them in that colour which I can't do because they have never heard from that colour let alone know what it should be!
Oh well,will get that book sample and get some different shades mixed and see which one we like best!

Thanks,

Peter

All you need is the formula, chances of you spraying the color from Formula & it matching the paint chip exact is slim, chances of it matching any old painted parts is slim due to years of oxidation, baking in sun & fading, being rubbed 100 times through out the years, ect, ect. Older Chrysler paint jobs were 2 coats Acrylic enamel containing lead. If you get single stage now it's lead free & most use Base Coat Clear coat nowadays. People expect to much when they expect a exact perfect match in my opinion. LEON

[qwick68]

I have the page your talking about from eBay, it's close in color but don't forget there are many variables....first that paper page is 50 years old so it's faded for sure,  second many other things could have affected the color the day they were spraying the cars......ill put money on the fact that there are numerous "variances" in LL-1......

[qwick68]

So needless to say, there is no "exact" LL1

[jeepers007]

http://paintref.com/cgi-bin/colorcodedisplay.cgi?color=Medium%20Dark%20Turquoise&tditzler=13371&rows=50

[Brock Lee]

So needless to say, there is no "exact" LL1

Back then, no. They mixed paint by weight back then. The container would sit on very sensitive scale and the pigments would be dispensed to a particular weight. If the scale was off, or they put in a few milligrams more of one pigment, or less of another, it would effect the over all color. This is why color matching was an art back in those days. A body shop that had a guy with a good eye and color matching ability would develop a special reputation for that ability. The paint recipe only got the color in the ball park. It was up to the shop to fine tune it to make it match a particular sample 100%.

[cavemanno1]

Hi guys!

I should of used the word formula and not sample.I didn't know you can get a formula from the companies as I'm new to this whole thing!
Over here It's not as easy as over there!
Thanks for the formula number and your input!

[hemi-hampton]

Hi guys!

I should of used the word formula and not sample.I didn't know you can get a formula from the companies as I'm new to this whole thing!
Over here It's not as easy as over there!
Thanks for the formula number and your input!

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I wouldn't of used the word exact. all the other words were fine.  LEON.

[Brock Lee]

Hi guys!

I should of used the word formula and not sample.I didn't know you can get a formula from the companies as I'm new to this whole thing!
Over here It's not as easy as over there!
Thanks for the formula number and your input!

Just go to a local paint shop. Go to one that deals with a major paint brand like PPG or DuPont. Tell them you want 1968 Dodge LL1 Medium Dark Turquoise also known as 1968 Plymouth LL1 Surf Turquoise. They will find the modern translated formula in their computer and mix it for you.

[cavemanno1]

Thank you!
Since you guys say 10 painters can spray 10 different shades of the same paint,all these cars were different colours?Hard to imagine passing the inspections at the plant with cars having different paint colours.

[Dans 68]

The cars at the plant will all look the same after their painting - the paint shop uses the same materials over and over. There will/can be very subtle differences (if you look hard enough) in the shades but for the most part they will be identical looking.

Dan

[polywideblock]

another thing to think about is if there are only "lead free" paint available ? if Europe is like Australia you can no longer get the original paints.  ALL colours are lighter when made up in lead free . i'v just gone through this with trying to get correct  FC7 paint for the roadrunner   

[Brock Lee]

another thing to think about is if there are only "lead free" paint available ? if Europe is like Australia you can no longer get the original paints.  ALL colours are lighter when made up in lead free .

There is a work around for this..but you have to have a pant mixer willing to work with you. The lead part is the flakes. If you look at old flakes in their raw form, they have a somewhat graphite/gunmetal tone whereas the modern formulas use aluminum which is much brighter. If you grab a color chart from a place that specializes in the metallic powders, you can find alloys which are much closer to the original lead color. If the paint shop mixes the color using those, it will give the correct appearance.

When using an electric eye to match these paints, the machine just adds extra black as a shader to tone down the intensity. Popular old colors are usually all tweaked in the system as people have brought it up so often, the company will take a bunch of scanned samples and create a formula from those. Otherwise, less popular colors just are run through a custom translation software that takes the original formulations and mathematically converts them into a formula the modern machines use.

[69HemiBee]

Peter, Did you get a formula? I have to get the paint for the LL Charger in the shop. I do always do a custom mix for each car as the factory shades varied quite a bit on some colors. The standard cross overs for some colors are way off. Can you get Axalta over there? Axalta took over DuPont and I use their Chroma series. If so I can give you the formula for this car I am doing and would probably be real close to yours. Holgar