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Brake caliper sway bar mount confusion 1970

Started by crj1968, April 25, 2016, 03:00:56 PM

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crj1968

I recent got my car and noticed some goofiness with the brakes.

Here is a picture of birdsand bees brake setup on his Superbird.  



This led me to believe the spindles on my car had been swapped as my calipers were on the rear side of the discs.
However, if I were to set mine like his, my calipers would then hit the sway bar mounts.  Not sure why his sway bar mounts differently but they are.   :shruggy:

Are all 70's the same? Or maybe the suspension components on my car are 68-69?  

Here is a quote from 68 BLK R/T  in another thread where I thought my sway bar mount was like the 70 pictured above but I was wrong.
QuoteWhat year is your car? And does it have a sway bar? Reason is because the sway bar mount in a different spot in 70 vs 68/69. that may be the reason the calipers are mounted rearward if you have a 68/69 with later style discs. The 68/69 sway bar interferes with 70 style brakes if mounted forward,




b5blue

  The 70 LCA's swaybar mounts are inboard enough to clear the calipers. So 70 swaybar is different then 69 and earlier. We need pics of all your stuff to tell what you have?  :scratchchin:

birdsandbees

Here's my '69 front end.. note sway bar mounts as B5 says right out at the end of the LCA, and not inboard like you can see on my '70 Bird above.
1970 'Bird RM23UOA170163
1969 'Bee WM21H9A230241
1969 Dart Swinger LM23P9B190885
1967 Plymouth Barracuda Formula S
1966 Plymouth Satellite HP2 - 9941 original miles
1964 Dodge 440 62422504487

Charger RT

The 70 K frame is different then the 68-69 K frame The 70 sway bar bolts to the K frame differently. When I swapped the 70 disc brakes onto my 68 I had to swap the K frame lower control arms sway bar and spindles.
Tim

crj1968

Ok thanks guys.    :cheers:  Thanks again for the pics birsandbees !  :cheers: :cheers:

So yep looks like I have a 69 type K frame...but I have pin type calipers....which are 1970, and not 68/9 right? So seems I need pin type calipers with the bleeder on the other side.

Looks like maybe a 73/74 Charger uses pin calipers and mount on the rear of disc.

Thanks for responses. Looks like my car is more cobbled together than I was led to believe.

b5blue

Someone got a link to the Mopar "disc-o-tech" that covers all this? You don't need to swap parts for all this to work well if you get it setup right.  :2thumbs:

crj1968

I have that link   good info
http://www.moparaction.com/Tech/archive/disc-main.html

This is where I got info that a 73/74 caliper should work for me, as a 70 one wont with brakes mounted on backside. And a 68/9 I dont think would work as it's not a pin type.

I think I got it figured out- thanks guys. Makes me wonder what happened with my car in the past....   :scratchchin:


b5blue

Re read disk-o, front or back mounted calipers switch L and R so you don't need to find "Back mounted Left caliper" as it would be a "Front mounted Right caliper". Just find correct calipers and mount so bleed is at the top.  :2thumbs: (Also sort out the hose issue you mentioned in another topic.)

crj1968

Yeah thanks, that's what I ended up doing.. I swapped the calipers which put bleeder up top and inlet by the shock lines with a banjo fittings. Looked pretty tight to the shock when turning but when I got the weight back on the suspension it's all good.   :2thumbs: