New "Bad" parts... Grrrrr

[Troy]

That's gouging basically. Thank your fellow "Mopar guys" for that. It's sad to say but many Mopar people know they are in a minority and stuff is hard to find so they automatically bump the price while telling you how much they are helping you out. But if there are any differences in the parts and any additional tooling is required, manufacturers do have to build that into the price knowing the market is a lot smaller.

Troy

[Mike DC]

Yes, the Ford and Chevy guys have the same issues! A local Mustang shop even has a special process for straightening repop bumpers since they get so many that won't even fit the cars. I know another shop that specializes in tri-five Chevies and they have similar stories.

Yep, I have heard GM/Ford guys even say that some of the Mopar stuff is darn good for repros.  

All the brands have high standards for their 100% OE restos.  But I think the Mopar hobby gets more bothered about the cosmetic details when it's just a non-original fun cruiser.

I have talked to many vendors about quality of parts. It seems that, like anything, the last 10% is always the hardest and most expensive to get right so most assume they'll lose money by chasing perfection (and knowing all the cheapskates I do they may be right)

Detroit didn't bother with the last 10% in the 1960s.  This repro Asian stuff has to be at least 20% now.  

I've griped for years that we can buy 1:18 toy Chargers made better than the 1:1 scale repro parts.   What other mainstream industry would tolerate 20% of their shipped parts failing a 2-minute inspection & test fitting?  We're not talking about microprocessors here.  Old car resto body/interior parts are very simple shapes & materials by modern standards.

For that matter, tons of repro body/interior parts are known to fit wrong 10-times-out-of-10.  They sell us entire body panels stamped 1/2" too long or short.  It's ridiculous.


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and before you jump on the old supply demand wagon i purchased a brake caliper rebuild kit same amount of parts as a mustang virtually same design rubbers mustang $15 mopar $65

IMO that makes some sense if the Mopar stuff was not exactly the same part as the Mustang, physically.

Mustang fenders & grilles are made of the same sheetmetal & plastic as our parts too.  But every product involves designing, tooling, packaging, marketing, and stocking things.  Same work + less sales = higher price each.

[ht4spd307]

the supply demand thing puzzles me . if there is more ford and chevy so called buyers of these after market parts. you would think there would be more cars to begin with, so should there not be more donor cars around making the second hand parts market more fertile thus making the repo parts market smaller ?did that make sense

[Mike DC]

the supply demand thing puzzles me . if there is more ford and chevy so called buyers of these after market parts. you would think there would be more cars to begin with, so should there not be more donor cars around making the second hand parts market more fertile thus making the repo parts market smaller ?did that make sense

If there are more Christian families than Jewish, then there are more Christian men out there competing for the supply of Christian wives.  But it also means there are more Christian women for them too.  Proportions  are maintained. 

[ht4spd307]

ok if its a supply demand driven price gap here is a prime example of corporate gouging  the Australian population stands at approx 24,000,000 in 2016 the hk ht hg monaro which was the ghm version of the muscle car of that era total production numbers for all 3 models 29,594 maybe 1500 left at best that's on the monaro register .   the American population at  324,000,000 in 2016 the 1968 69 70 charger total production numbers approx 223,000 (i stand corrected) numbers left not sure but i'm sure there is more than 1500 now for price differences the one guard for the monaro equates to about  $630 US and that's off eBay i can get them cheaper .so how do those numbers add up on supply demand   
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HK-HT-HG-GTS-HOLDEN-MUD-GUARD-FENDER-FRONT-PAIR-LEFT-RIGHT-STEEL-MONARO-/401156959832?hash=item5d66d16e58:g:HCoAAOSwnDxUco3q
http://www.autometaldirect.com/amd-69-charger-fender---lh-p-304.html

[Mike DC]

I dunno about that one.  


Offhand guesses:

Are those rare HM fenders shared by a more common model with slight changes?  Perhaps without the indents, etc?  

Did HM's original tooling survive?   That has helped hold down the cost to reproduce a lot of American GM/Ford stuff over the years.  
Mopar went basically bankrupt in the early 1980s.  They were forced to scrap the "non-vital assets" like the tooling for tons of muscle-era stuff.      

[ht4spd307]

nope only 3 models had these fenders my dad was working at general motors holden at the time they scrapped all the tooling here is the you tube video if Australia can get these produced  for such a low production numbers why cant America 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01_UGD_hFcY

[Mike DC]

   
How many are they selling?  Maybe it's a kirksite tooling job.  It works but it wears out very quickly.
 

Past that, I'm out of guesses.   

[AKcharger]

Oh...Looks like actuator #4 is going bad already, 2 months old maybe 1 hour of operating time...

[74Rallye]

I don't even expect "new" parts to fit anymore. I'll try to reuse an old part everytime.
And why did my new vinyl top crumble after 4 years, 3 of which it was stored inside? Because it was made from cheaper vinyl.

[bakerhillpins]

Anyone have any tips / tricks to get said sticker off without marring the surface of the plastic reservoir??

Use Goo Gone
http://googone.com/products/original/

I use it on lots of my plastic pinball/motorcycle/etc parts. Never had a problem with it damaging a plastic surface. Takes very little. Start by pulling the sticker off the best you can and use this stuff on a paper towel to remove the leftover adhesive.

However, standard precautions apply.. test in inconspicuous spot first.

[birdsandbees]

THANKS! 

[hemi-hampton]

I've heard alot of people in here before say after market fits great. When I put a 71 SS Chevelle Convertible back together with many repro parts, All I know is almost every repro part was cheap garbage that fit like crap & I was better off cleaning up/straightening/refurbishing the original parts & re using those that fit great. Then my Idiot boss bitched at me because I couldn't make the repros fit right like it was my fault. LEON.

[Bronzedodge]

I ordered some repo heater hose from YearOne (yeah, I know) 'cause i had a discount code and was flushing the rad soon.  The wall thickness of the hose was too much - had all my weight over the pipe nipple at the pump, not moving.  Quickly realised the heater core side would never work.  Called Y O and the friendly customer support guy said "it's a known issue".  WTF?  So you still send it out and take my money?   !!!

Ordered from Classic Industries - normal, works great.  Year One hose is on  the bottom.

[Nacho-RT74]

Anyone have any tips / tricks to get said sticker off without marring the surface of the plastic reservoir??

cigar lighter flame over the sticker will soften the sticker glue ( quick past, no need to hold it long )... trick from toys stores when removing price tags for gifts before the gift envelope

[Nacho-RT74]

problem is the parts for the mopar, chevys and fords may not be perfect but mopar buyers pay 3 times as much for their parts which are the same crap standard.so how does that work out.and before you jump on the old supply demand wagon i purchased a brake caliper rebuild kit same amount of parts as a mustang virtually same design rubbers mustang $15 mopar $65

where I have talked about this ?

LOL

[Nacho-RT74]

AND ABOUT THE TOPIC ITSELF

where I can get refunded the $2000 I have spent on plastic interior panels ? Oh... well I'm overseas so return them makes it hard and expensive... GRRRRRR

[birdsandbees]

Like getting tail pipe clamp bands from Year One and they need media blast already due to rust. Emailed them and they don't care. Remember why I stopped shopping there in 1990. 

[Nacho-RT74]

I just bought YO twice, when I noticed where the shipping and handling high charges were going, to a full of GA air box to shipp just window fuzzies ( pieces of shit too ) where I had to pay also INTERNATIONAL shipping.

GA air is expensive!!

[DAY CLONA]

I ordered some repo heater hose from YearOne (yeah, I know) 'cause i had a discount code and was flushing the rad soon.  The wall thickness of the hose was too much - had all my weight over the pipe nipple at the pump, not moving.  Quickly realised the heater core side would never work.  Called Y O and the friendly customer support guy said "it's a known issue".  WTF?  So you still send it out and take my money?   !!!

Ordered from Classic Industries - normal, works great.  Year One hose is on  the bottom.

Interesting, I have the repro "Year One" heater hose on my Daytona, no issues installing it, fit was fine, were you installing the hose dry on the fittings?

[Bronzedodge]

Yes, I lubed them up as dry was a no-go.  I tried anti-freeze first, then shaving cream (breaks down in water better than soap).  I even tried a spare heater core on the bench to check the fit where I could see it.  The Y O hose is just plain wrong.  Look at the difference in wall thickness between the two hoses in my pic.  It is significant.  Y O guy on the phone said they have had numerous complaints, and suggested drilling out the hose to help.      

[Nacho-RT74]

  Y O guy on the phone said they have had numerous complaints, and suggested drilling out the hose to help.      

ok.... I got why they charge what they charge on the S&H rate... need to pay the extra post sale customer service... need lot of ppl on the phone and have to cover their payment and special training

[moparnation74]

  Y O guy on the phone said they have had numerous complaints, and suggested drilling out the hose to help.      

ok.... I got why they charge what they charge on the S&H rate... need to pay the extra post sale customer service... need lot of ppl on the phone and have to cover their payment and special training

Drilling out the hose, lol.....If some even tried that it would be a dangerous situation indeed....

YO has just a few parts you cannot get from other vendors and those other vendors don't rape you on shipping costs.  MEGA PARTS is one of the best vendors out there. 

[Nacho-RT74]

yes.... definitelly Megaparts gets an A+ on that. They got me an special shipping price once in fact!

I forgott YO exist maybe back in 2006 when got delivered the last catalog they sent me. Actually in fact they REMEMBERED ME they exist when I got that catalog LOL

[sean257]

I have used megaparts for a lot of stuff on my car.  Jamie has been awesome to work with!