Ball park price of a complete 4 speed setup.

[marshallfry01]

I'm considering going with a four speed in my charger when I get to the drive terrain phase. What is a ballpark price for a complete 4-speed setup? Including tranny, clutch, pedals,etc. Just curious if a 4-speed setup would be much cheaper than a 5 or 6-speed. This will be for a 70 charger.

Thanks in advance,

Marshall

[red79]

Depending on options, you can get a full 'conversion kit' from passon or brewers for around $4000. That'll get you a rebuilt trans, bellhousing, flywheel, clutch pack, hump, pedals, crossmember, new production shifter, handle, linkages, boots, throwout arm, z bar and mounts, and a bunch of ancillary stuff that's hard to remember.

You can definitely shave a lot off that total by buying used, and hunting for deals:

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,95764.0.html

[myk]

Won't you need the proper crankshaft, also?

[birdsandbees]

Just a roller bearing for the flange, if his engine doesn't have the pilot hole in the crank for a bushing. And he'll have to cut about 3/8" off the input shaft.

[303 Mopar]

I am swapping my 727 for a 833 and just ordered the kit from Brewers - $5100 for everything (not shipped) including shifter, carpet, trans hump, rebuilt 833 and all parts.

I also got a quote from SST for a Tremec TKO 5 speed and its was $6500 (not shipped) for everything not including carpet or sheet metal for cutting the tunnel.

IMHO I would rather have the real deal 833 and add a GVOD later if I wanted.

[crj1968]

Silver Sport has a complete 6 speed set-up now for B-bodys.

https://shiftsst.com/charger-satellite-coronet-gtx-super-bee-1966-1970#magnum-6-speed
Not sure of price though

[70sixpkrt]

Complete over drive unit from Passon Perf for $3200. You can probably get everything else from him also.
http://www.passonperformance.com/images/stories/passon_documents/Passon_Overdrive_Flyer_20091109.pdf

[Derwud]

I went SST, it was roughly 6200 shipped. with EVERYTHING including Hyd clutch and sheet metal. I could not wait for the Passion or McLoed trans.

[303 Mopar]

Complete over drive unit from Passon Perf for $3200. You can probably get everything else from him also.
http://www.passonperformance.com/images/stories/passon_documents/Passon_Overdrive_Flyer_20091109.pdf

That is just the 833 OD, the OP needs everything.

[303 Mopar]

I went SST, it was roughly 6200 shipped. with EVERYTHING including Hyd clutch and sheet metal. I could not wait for the Passion or McLoed trans.

Not to derail the thread, how tough was the install?  Did your current carpet fit?  Is the shifter centered or offset like the 833?

[70sixpkrt]

That is just the 833 OD, the OP needs everything

That's why I said you can get everything else from him.

[Daytona R/T SE]

I am swapping my 727 for a 833 and just ordered the kit from Brewers - $5100 for everything (not shipped) including shifter, carpet, trans hump, rebuilt 833 and all parts.

18 or 23 spline ?

[Mike DC]

Silver Sport has a complete 6 speed set-up now for B-bodys.

https://shiftsst.com/charger-satellite-coronet-gtx-super-bee-1966-1970#magnum-6-speed
Not sure of price though

A T-56 ain't going into a classic Mopar with the stock tunnel intact.  It's all getting hacked out.  

[myk]

Silver Sport has a complete 6 speed set-up now for B-bodys.

https://shiftsst.com/charger-satellite-coronet-gtx-super-bee-1966-1970#magnum-6-speed
Not sure of price though

A T-56 ain't going into a classic Mopar with the stock tunnel intact.  It's all getting hacked out.  

The 4L60E is the option with the least amount of cutting,  right?

[c00nhunterjoe]

Craigslist is your friend if you have time and patience. I put a complete kit together for under 1000 including a brand new clutch. Everything else was bought used.

[marshallfry01]

Thanks for the replies guys!    I may have to stick with an automatic until I can find a used 4-speed setup.  I didn't realize that conversion was so freakin expensive. 

[myk]

Lol agreed.  Some of the options mentioned cost as much as an engine build...

[Challenger340]

Hole Smokes ! These prices seem kind of high ?
No hijack intended, but any opinions on what a complete 18 spline 833 W/Shifter(good shape), Cast Iron 11" Bellhousing #2896262, #162 Driveshaft W/Yoke, Rear Leafs Springs H.D. 5/6 Combo W/hangers & shackles ..... ALL of it from a '69 Charger R/T, as a package deal worth ?

[red79]

Hole Smokes ! These prices seem kind of high ?
No hijack intended, but any opinions on what a complete 18 spline 833 W/Shifter(good shape), Cast Iron 11" Bellhousing #2896262, #162 Driveshaft W/Yoke, Rear Leafs Springs H.D. 5/6 Combo W/hangers & shackles ..... ALL of it from a '69 Charger R/T, as a package deal worth ?

Wouldn't seem unreasonable to me to ask somewhere in the $2k-$3k range depending on condition of all the pieces

[Derwud]

I went SST, it was roughly 6200 shipped. with EVERYTHING including Hyd clutch and sheet metal. I could not wait for the Passion or McLoed trans.

Not to derail the thread, how tough was the install?  Did your current carpet fit?  Is the shifter centered or offset like the 833?

Install not even start yet, but shifter is centered.

[303 Mopar]

I talked to Jamie and Passon today.  Still seems that I am years (if ever) away from his 5 speed.  For his 18 spline Hemi OD complete kit its $7100 shipped.  I am going with an 18 spline kit from Brewers, should be here in a month.

[1974dodgecharger]

Just a roller bearing for the flange, if his engine doesn't have the pilot hole in the crank for a bushing. And he'll have to cut about 3/8" off the input shaft.

that's what I did...if you don't then you will ruin the engine...

[red79]

Either of the above mentioned suppliers can provide a trans with a shortened input shaft for just this situation 

[1974dodgecharger]

I talked to Jamie and Passon today.  Still seems that I am years (if ever) away from his 5 speed.  For his 18 spline Hemi OD complete kit its $7100 shipped.  I am going with an 18 spline kit from Brewers, should be here in a month.

his price SHOT UP then it used to be 5k HE REALLY SAID 7100?

[myk]

Supply and demand.  I wonder how much it would cost to get the transmission produced and delivered faster?

[red79]

To be clear, $7100 was the price for a complete conversion kit including a passon 18 spline 4speed overdrive (their 833 with custom gear set, sells for around $3k alone). They're still asking $5k for the 5 speed unit as far as I know.

[303 Mopar]

To be clear, $7100 was the price for a complete conversion kit including a passon 18 spline 4speed overdrive (their 833 with custom gear set, sells for around $3k alone). They're still asking $5k for the 5 speed unit as far as I know.

Correct, the $7100 was for EVERYTHING to flip from auto to manual HEMI OD.  Jamie's 5 speed is still years away, although I have heard of a couple guys recently receiving one.

[Troy]

Funny, people see these prices yet still don't understand why a real 4-speed car is so much more expensive.

The factory setup can be pricey by the time you chase down all the little bits and pieces. It is easier to buy a "kit" from Passon or Brewers. You'll pay a premium for them doing all the work sourcing the parts but you'll also get the right parts the first time. I have gotten much better deals searching classifieds and eBay - but the time involved and the chance of buying the wrong parts really adds to the unseen costs. Also, be aware that their kits contain rebuilt transmissions. The typical cost to rebuild your Craigslist 18 spline is about $1,100.

I couldn't bring myself to hack a perfectly good floor out of any of my cars to install a modern 5-speed so I sold the parts I had collected.

Troy

[chargedup68]

I went with a used tremec 5 speed so I could run higher gears in the back end and keep the rpms down on the highway and ended up around $3500, but had to do some hacking and massaging on the tunnel.