aluminum heads from proheader

[cbrestorations]

ok so we all know the cheaper aluminum heads like 440 source, sidewinder, stealth, promaxx and all the ebay ones come from china...some are better than others and most are the same head just with a different name engraved into them or no name at all. china is not loyal to anyone and will engrave whatever you want onto an existing head already in production if you order enough of them. anyway...where im going with this is my cylinder head guy with his excusive only cylinder head shop (CHE) who has done all my racing stuff and does alot of racers on the west coast has opened an account with Proheader. he told me at the last sema show he saw proheaders new 75cc cylinder heads (the old ones were 84cc) and said they are one of the nicer sets on the market, that they copied an edelbrock head. he is going to buy a bunch of the RB heads for myself and to sell. the bare castings are going to be $630 for the pair, he is still waiting to see what an assembled set with quality brand name valves, springs, cups and retainers that are also shimmed to be matched rate @seat will run $ wise.  these are 75cc, 2.14/1.81 210/70cc runners. if theres any interest from you guys just let me know...he said the steam boat wont come in till next month lol

[garner7555]

I was thinking about some sidewinders.  Would he offer fully assembled head, ready to bolt on, that had bowl blend and port polish already performed?

[cdr]

I was thinking about some sidewinders.  Would he offer fully assembled head, ready to bolt on, that had bowl blend and port polish already performed?

Trick Flow heads would be my choice.

[garner7555]

I was thinking about some sidewinders.  Would he offer fully assembled head, ready to bolt on, that had bowl blend and port polish already performed?

Trick Flow heads would be my choice.

Me too, but the price of the sidewinders has me tempted.   Sidewinders fully assembled with all Comp hardware is $1175.  I was going to pay them to do a bowl blend - $350.   so for $1525 I would have flow comparable to the Trick Flows.      I don't know if my mild street engine would take full advantage of the Trick Flows.   

[cbrestorations]

he said he could beat that price of 1525 that sidewinder has for the bowl work and assembled heads. he's gonna get back to me but he said around 1375-1400

[cdr]

I was thinking about some sidewinders.  Would he offer fully assembled head, ready to bolt on, that had bowl blend and port polish already performed?

Trick Flow heads would be my choice.

Me too, but the price of the sidewinders has me tempted.   Sidewinders fully assembled with all Comp hardware is $1175.  I was going to pay them to do a bowl blend - $350.   so for $1525 I would have flow comparable to the Trick Flows.      I don't know if my mild street engine would take full advantage of the Trick Flows.   

the flow is not even close to the TF, but like you said you might not need the flow of the TF

[Brass]

Under what circumstances would you not benefit from increased flow?

[Challenger340]

Under what circumstances would you not benefit from increased flow?

Port Velocity is Torque, and a Port can indeed be too big for a particular application ? Typically a brand "X" pitfall and NOT common on BB Mopars,
however,
IMO,  it is possible to make a "lazy" Engine ?

Just say'in.... BIG Ports and little Cams are a no-no.

That said,
any of the Eddy/Sidewinder/Stealth type stuff can always use some help ! .... with at least some degree of Porting reccommended on anything past even a resto style stock "440" build.

[Mike DC]

The 383 Magnum was a good motor in stock form, and it benefits from heads that flow a notch more than stock. 

The 440 was 15% more displacement than the 383 with the same heads. 

So by my logic, a decent 440 can probably run a head that is 20-25% larger than stock before the conversation even starts about what is too big. 

[cdr]

the TF is a standard port size & flows very well.

[garner7555]

One of my problems is I don't have a local machine shop that I use.  I understand that its not a good idea to install heads right out of the box.  Todd at Marsh has a great reputation with his work and the sidewinder heads he sells.  This would allow me to install the heads straight out of the box with only my own close visual inspection.   

Would you guys trust Trick Flows right out of the box?

I Feel like my build is mild - 440, stock stroke, 2355 pistons, lunati voodoo 268/276 (recommended by Firefighter Ron) RPM intake, FiTeck EFI.
Ron also recommended the Sidewinder heads to me.  They would have the correct springs for my cam.  Trick Flows would need to be customized for my setup once I received them wouldn't they?  If so then that's even more money.

[Challenger340]

One of my problems is I don't have a local machine shop that I use.  I understand that its not a good idea to install heads right out of the box.  Todd at Marsh has a great reputation with his work and the sidewinder heads he sells.  This would allow me to install the heads straight out of the box with only my own close visual inspection.    

Would you guys trust Trick Flows right out of the box?

I Feel like my build is mild - 440, stock stroke, 2355 pistons, lunati voodoo 268/276 (recommended by Firefighter Ron) RPM intake, FiTeck EFI.
Ron also recommended the Sidewinder heads to me.  They would have the correct springs for my cam.  Trick Flows would need to be customized for my setup once I received them wouldn't they?  If so then that's even more money.

While the TF240's are REALLY nice heads......
IMO,
The Trick Flow 240 Heads would be overkill with your 268/274 Cam, which will not utilize their greater Volume and Flow potential to best advantage, so a waste of time & money.
Just my thoughts....
But I believe you are far better off with a 210 CC Sidewinder on a 440 with that Cam.(nice Cam BTW, great cruiser)

[garner7555]

One of my problems is I don't have a local machine shop that I use.  I understand that its not a good idea to install heads right out of the box.  Todd at Marsh has a great reputation with his work and the sidewinder heads he sells.  This would allow me to install the heads straight out of the box with only my own close visual inspection.    

Would you guys trust Trick Flows right out of the box?

I Feel like my build is mild - 440, stock stroke, 2355 pistons, lunati voodoo 268/276 (recommended by Firefighter Ron) RPM intake, FiTeck EFI.
Ron also recommended the Sidewinder heads to me.  They would have the correct springs for my cam.  Trick Flows would need to be customized for my setup once I received them wouldn't they?  If so then that's even more money.

While the TF240's are REALLY nice heads......
IMO,
The Trick Flow 240 Heads would be overkill with your 268/274 Cam, which will not utilize their greater Volume and Flow potential to best advantage, so a waste of time & money.
Just my thoughts....
But I believe you are far better off with a 210 CC Sidewinder on a 440 with that Cam.(nice Cam BTW, great cruiser)

Thanks for the advice!   I have observed that you really know what you are talking about on these engines.            No surprise that you and Ron agree on my setup, I value your opinions greatly.  Its great for people like me to be able to get advice from experts like y'all and others on this site.         Great site and great people!   

Now I agree that the Trick Flows are awesome and if I had unlimited funds then that's what I would order, but if it's overkill then why not just run what I need and save the money.   

[cdr]

One of my problems is I don't have a local machine shop that I use.  I understand that its not a good idea to install heads right out of the box.  Todd at Marsh has a great reputation with his work and the sidewinder heads he sells.  This would allow me to install the heads straight out of the box with only my own close visual inspection.    

Would you guys trust Trick Flows right out of the box?

I Feel like my build is mild - 440, stock stroke, 2355 pistons, lunati voodoo 268/276 (recommended by Firefighter Ron) RPM intake, FiTeck EFI.
Ron also recommended the Sidewinder heads to me.  They would have the correct springs for my cam.  Trick Flows would need to be customized for my setup once I received them wouldn't they?  If so then that's even more money.

While the TF240's are REALLY nice heads......
IMO,
The Trick Flow 240 Heads would be overkill with your 268/274 Cam, which will not utilize their greater Volume and Flow potential to best advantage, so a waste of time & money.
Just my thoughts....
But I believe you are far better off with a 210 CC Sidewinder on a 440 with that Cam.(nice Cam BTW, great cruiser)

Thanks for the advice!   I have observed that you really know what you are talking about on these engines.            No surprise that you and Ron agree on my setup, I value your opinions greatly.  Its great for people like me to be able to get advice from experts like y'all and others on this site.         Great site and great people!   

Now I agree that the Trick Flows are awesome and if I had unlimited funds then that's what I would order, but if it's overkill then why not just run what I need and save the money.   

I agree with Bob & Ron for the cam & small heads, but if you want more later. 

[garner7555]

One of my problems is I don't have a local machine shop that I use.  I understand that its not a good idea to install heads right out of the box.  Todd at Marsh has a great reputation with his work and the sidewinder heads he sells.  This would allow me to install the heads straight out of the box with only my own close visual inspection.    

Would you guys trust Trick Flows right out of the box?

I Feel like my build is mild - 440, stock stroke, 2355 pistons, lunati voodoo 268/276 (recommended by Firefighter Ron) RPM intake, FiTeck EFI.
Ron also recommended the Sidewinder heads to me.  They would have the correct springs for my cam.  Trick Flows would need to be customized for my setup once I received them wouldn't they?  If so then that's even more money.

While the TF240's are REALLY nice heads......
IMO,
The Trick Flow 240 Heads would be overkill with your 268/274 Cam, which will not utilize their greater Volume and Flow potential to best advantage, so a waste of time & money.
Just my thoughts....
But I believe you are far better off with a 210 CC Sidewinder on a 440 with that Cam.(nice Cam BTW, great cruiser)

Thanks for the advice!   I have observed that you really know what you are talking about on these engines.            No surprise that you and Ron agree on my setup, I value your opinions greatly.  Its great for people like me to be able to get advice from experts like y'all and others on this site.         Great site and great people!   

Now I agree that the Trick Flows are awesome and if I had unlimited funds then that's what I would order, but if it's overkill then why not just run what I need and save the money.   

I agree with Bob & Ron for the cam & small heads, but if you want more later. 

I completely understand.  If I ever decided to stroke it then I would wish I had the Trick Flows.  I have been battling these same thoughts Charlie.  Hahaha.   My car is just a cruiser so I'm thinking this would be plenty of power to keep me satisfied.      

[BSB67]

Get the smaller port volume heads.

I always strongly recommend that you buy today the parts that are correct for today's project.  It is simply silly to do otherwise.  My observation is that people usually struggle finishing today's project without changing scope let alone another project sometime in the future.  

The heads you are contemplating will support well over 500 hp out of the box.  If tomorrow you want 650 hp, have these ported, or by the TrickFlows (or what other new product will be available at that time) and sell the Sidewinders.  You just won't be out that much, if at all.  

[garner7555]

Get the smaller port volume heads.

I always strongly recommend that you buy today the parts that are correct for today's project.  It is simply silly to do otherwise.  My observation is that people usually struggle finishing today's project without changing scope let alone another project sometime in the future.  

The heads you are contemplating will support well over 500 hp out of the box.  If tomorrow you want 650 hp, have these ported, or by the TrickFlows (or what other new product will be available at that time) and sell the Sidewinders.  You just won't be out that much, if at all.  

I agree.       I seriously doubt I will ever Stroke it, or push it past the point of the Sidewinders capabilities.

[1974dodgecharger]

Under what circumstances would you not benefit from increased flow?

I was told having  a blower I would not benefit from increased flow because whatever short comings you had before the blower covercomes it easily....

[heyoldguy]

That's thinking like the majority of the diesel guys. Just add more boost.

We had a customer with a single turbo 5.9 Cummins making around 850HP and had high exhaust gas temps, was getting into detonation, running water/meth to cool it down, add infinitum. We ported his head and told him to add some more fuel. 1,450HP. Of course the stock valve train let go with the additional rpms, dropped some valves and destroyed the head and block.

[cbrestorations]

yup, trying to make big hp the natural aspirated way is expensive and small gains over boosted lol. stock 906 heads with 15psi behind them will beat a set of indy heads lol. no replacement for displacement...noooot, no replacement for cramming a bunch of air thru a little hole lol. thats how these little 2.0L engines of today can make 700-800hp and drive them everyday to work, 35psi of boost lol