70 charger R/T sunroof

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dodge-Charger-charger-/252283502065?forcerrptr=true&hash=item3abd44bdf1:g:HyEAAOSwll1Wu9Xw&item=252283502065

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[lukedukem]

i have a question about the bottom of the car. is that the way it was done at the factory, looks like grey primer underneath.

Luke

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yes , they were all pretty much the same  ,

although  if J55 option was checked  ,  everything would be / should be ,  covered with , the heavy rock chip / undercoating under there ,  like whats under the front & rear wheels wells & back side of the front fenders & inside the rear quarters !  ( how much actually was sprayed on & spray pattern  varies , suppose what ever under coating guy feels like doing at the time  , from what ive seen even  the basic undercoating under the wheel wells & rear frame rails pattern varies from  assembly plant & years  ,  i'm no expert , but  st Louis chargers   had / has a basic  different pattern to Hamtramck chargers  , well the ones ive seen ,  

don't see any undercoat on the rear frame rails of this 70 ,      in 68/69 that's was standard / basic undercoating to cover them ! on the out side face & bottom  , well on Hamtramck cars    

like I  await to be corrected , on any of this  

[crj1968]

    is right !    

[polywideblock]

wow    what  beautiful charger     

[GOTWING]

beautiful car   although I like luggage racks on E body convertibles I don't like anything on the back of a 68-70 Charger including a go-wing.

[Charger_Fan]

I agree, if I was ordering a '70 Charger, I wouldn't have checked the luggage rack box...maybe the wing, but not the rack. Now the sunroof box, hell yes! I would love a sunroof in my Charger.

This one's a real beauty, it will be interesting to see if they are able to get their asking price.

[Dodge Don]

These were not customer orders but sales bank orders. They were all built exactly the same, all with exact same options, all with a build date of August 2, 1969 right at the beginning of the 70 model year production, sequential VINs, sequential Vehicle Order Numbers. They were to promote the Chicago Auto show. Based on the ones registered so far we know there were at least 16 of them...maybe more...but right now we can say 16 for sure.

The other owners of these cars should be watching this auction very closely. 

And this ad is correct in that it is the highest VIN of that string known at this time.

[birdsandbees]

Love the underside.. with just the overspray from doing the rockers blow in, not painted and cleared like was never done at the factory.

The rear end?? Is this correct, Semi gloss axle housing and the pumpkin is bare? I knew the pinion snubber plate never got painted, but the pumpkin didn't either??

[lukedukem]

These were not customer orders but sales bank orders. They were all built exactly the same, all with exact same options, all with a build date of August 2, 1969 right at the beginning of the 70 model year production, sequential VINs, sequential Vehicle Order Numbers. They were to promote the Chicago Auto show. Based on the ones registered so far we know there were at least 16 of them...maybe more...but right now we can say 16 for sure.

The other owners of these cars should be watching this auction very closely. 

And this ad is correct in that it is the highest VIN of that string known at this time.

thanks Don, good info... if they were all some options what about paint.

luke

[Dodge Don]

Same paint. These cars were identical in every way.

Member here ( Johnny SixPack ) has one of these cars.

[6bblgt]

Don - "lowest VIN" check your post & 100926 to 100944 wouldn't that be 19 cars?  How many are accounted for?

Don, how many of the EB5/C2B5 318 Charger "SHOW CARS" do you have accounted for? & there had to be a Charger 500 "SHOW CAR" any ideas?

[lukedukem]

 

[69RTSE]

Fantastic looking car!

[polywideblock]

beautiful car   although I like luggage racks on E body convertibles I don't like anything on the back of a 68-70 Charger including a go-wing.

funny I love the luggage rack, but  I would have ordered the rear wing   

[Dodge Don]

Don - "lowest VIN" check your post & 100926 to 100944 wouldn't that be 19 cars?  How many are accounted for?

Don, how many of the EB5/C2B5 318 Charger "SHOW CARS" do you have accounted for? & there had to be a Charger 500 "SHOW CAR" any ideas?

Sorry meant lowest VIN. Re: 944....you holding out on me? I do not have that one yet 

Gotta run to get my kid to soccer goalkeeper academy....will look at rest later.

[hemi-hampton]

Love the underside.. with just the overspray from doing the rockers blow in, not painted and cleared like was never done at the factory.

The rear end?? Is this correct, Semi gloss axle housing and the pumpkin is bare? I knew the pinion snubber plate never got painted, but the pumpkin didn't either??

Similar to the way I do my rear ends. LEON.

[TPR]

Luggage racks: Hideously beautiful.
TPR

[birdsandbees]

Love the underside.. with just the overspray from doing the rockers blow in, not painted and cleared like was never done at the factory.

The rear end?? Is this correct, Semi gloss axle housing and the pumpkin is bare? I knew the pinion snubber plate never got painted, but the pumpkin didn't either??

Similar to the way I do my rear ends. LEON.

THANKS Leon!!

[69 OUR/TEA]

Awesome Charger , but phewwwwwwwwwwwww  $$$$$$$  !!!!
When I found my 3x9 R/T SE , there was a luggage rack on it , and I was praying it was not on the fender tag and was added . Do not like them at all , so off it went !!!

[472 R/T SE]

Very impressive restoration.  I've already seen it on the bay & saved all it's pix.  It's been forever since I've seen a Bendix & Master all done correctly for ONCE.


tt, there's no mention of J55 on the tag so the undercarriage is correct.  Hard to see but there's no pad on the underside of the hood either.
I don't care for the luggage rack with the Bee stripe.  The rack needs to be on a longitudinal stripe car to look right.

Whoever restored this car did a fabulous job!

[6bblgt]

"IF" the "promo" Charger R/T SEs are all the same this car should be undercoated & have a hood pad (if a correct/authentic restoration was desired).  It also has the incorrect tires for an August build.

If you see a '70 Charger with "J55" on the tag - there may be issues ..... 

[hemi-hampton]

"IF" the "promo" Charger R/T SEs are all the same this car should be undercoated & have a hood pad (if a correct/authentic restoration was desired).  It also has the incorrect tires for an August build.

If you see a '70 Charger with "J55" on the tag - there may be issues ..... 

A correct resto would be to do what the tag say's. which they did. Nice Resto in my opinion. LEON.

[6bblgt]

"IF" the "promo" Charger R/T SEs are all the same this car WAS undercoated & HAD a hood pad (if a correct/authentic restoration was desired).  It also has the incorrect tires for an August build.

If you see a '70 Charger with "J55" on the tag - there may be issues ..... 

A correct resto would be to do what the tag say's. which they did. Nice Resto in my opinion. LEON.

no one is debating the car being a "NICE CAR"/"NICE RESTORATION" - my comment was in response to the "J55 not on the tag" comment above

..... but, if a "correct resto" isn't paying attention to the details (like them or not) - why do you spend time detailing a rear axle assembly to the extent of the one pictured above?  is it on the tag? 

[sdweatherman]

Don - "lowest VIN" check your post & 100926 to 100944 wouldn't that be 19 cars?  How many are accounted for?

Don, how many of the EB5/C2B5 318 Charger "SHOW CARS" do you have accounted for? & there had to be a Charger 500 "SHOW CAR" any ideas?

Sorry meant lowest VIN. Re: 944....you holding out on me? I do not have that one yet 

I have 6 cars from 100926 to 100941 also - with 940 just an advertisement from Spring of 1970. I do not know if it still exists. I thought I ran across a forum thread that said 940 "was accounted for", but am not sure whether that means it still exists or not. If 944 is out there - would sure like to hear about it.

For those that are interested in these cars - Johnny Sixpack has started a Facebook page on them - The Chicago "16".

[fc7_plumcrazy]

tag is genuine but the Y16 code makes me kind of wondering

[Dodge Don]

tag is genuine but the Y16 code makes me kind of wondering

Nothing wrong with Y16 presence.

[6bblgt]

AFAIK August scheduled "PROMO" & "SHOW CARS" were officially "DEALER ANNOUNCEMENT UNIT" (at least for the 1969 model year).  there were cars built for both the US and CANADA markets

the purpose of these cars was to showcase the new cars to dealer principals (& whoever else could manage an invite) at regional meetings before the official "on public sale" date for the new model year (late-August, early-September).  there were identical well OPTIONED cars  (usually, CA cars had N95 for example) of many different models specifically built for each of these "regional meetings".  all these cars were "Y16 - SALES BANK" as Chrysler did not have a dealership in mind when the cars were built, they were built for the "SHOW" & ended up as dealer demos or sitting in "SHOWROOMS" on display.  all of the '70 model year Chrysler domestic automobiles went on "official sale" Tuesday 9/23/69.

a number of examples of the collectable '70 "SHOW CAR" e & b-bodies survive, but very few of the a & c-bodies 4-doors and/or wagons are known to exist - the b-bodies that were there include:
USA -
BEE hardtop "top banana" w/black 440+6 4-spd,
Coronet 500 hardtop "light gold metallic" w/gold 383 4bbl auto,
Coronet R/T convertible "sublime" w/white 440 4bbl auto,
Charger "bright blue metallic" w/blue 318 auto,
Charger R/T SE "HEMI orange" w/black 440+6 auto
CANADA -
RR convertible "deep burnt orange metallic" w/black 383 4bbl 4-spd,
GTX "blue fire metallic" w/white 440 4bbl auto,
BEE hardtop "bright blue metallic" 440+6 4-spd,
Coronet R/T convertible "white" w/white 440 4bbl auto

pre-production "PILOT" cars were built before the model years production started - for 1970 these cars received a FRIDAY 801-SPD (I'd bet UAW membership was NOT working 8/1/69 in St. Louis)
production "DEALER ANNOUNCEMENT UNIT" were built during the first months' production - for 1970 these cars received a SATURDAY 802-SPD (again, I'd bet UAW membership was NOT working 8/2/69 in St. Louis)

remember the SPD is "SCHEDULED" - one of the "SHOW CAR" R/T SE 440 Six-Pack Chargers that I have info on - was "in plant" being assembled at St. Louis on Friday 8/15/69

[sdweatherman]

Excellent info Dan. I am always learning stuff on here. I love it.

[fc7_plumcrazy]

great info, thanks Dan

[fc7_plumcrazy]

Hi Dan,

how about this 69 model year tag.
It shows being a Y91 show car instead of being a Y16 car.
Was it used for a different purpuse?



Carsten

[6bblgt]

every plant did things a little different
IMO - it is a pre-production built car for a specific purpose: advertising or possibly late in the "PILOT" program that it got pushed into service with the "PROMO" cars that year (or any number of other possible uses??)
I believe the "normal" 1969 Sport Fury "PROMO" convertibles were blue on blue 383 4bbl automatics well OPTIONED with PW, cruise, etc. (the red on red 440 car would've fit right in, for the same purpose) does/did it have "recall" wheels?

it looks like the '69 pre-production "PILOT" cars have "960xxx" VONS & varied SPDs based on plant:
"B" Hamtramck, MI - 728 (Sunday 7/28/68)
"D" Belvidere, IL - 714 (Sunday 7/14/68)
"G" St. Louis, MO - 728 (Sunday 7/28/68)
&
all the US spec. '69 model year "DEALER ANNOUNCEMENT UNIT" vehicles have "960xxx", "964xxx" & "965xxx" VONs and 801-SPDs (Thursday 8/1/68)

1969 Chrysler products officially went on "public sale" Thursday 9/19/68

[fc7_plumcrazy]

Hi Dan,

it has 15" steel wheels now with wrong hubcaps.
No broadcastsheet that I have looked for yet. Interieur is brittle and I am scared to damage something pulling it apart.
So I do not know if it came with "recall" wheels.

I know the blue cars you are refferring to.
I do have tags of two of them.
Here is one I found quickly, living in sweden



Carsten

[fc7_plumcrazy]

here is the second tag

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lot of good  interesting  information , guys !! thanks for sharing  

[6bblgt]

this thread was the first I'd heard of the "Chicago 16" - who or where is this info coming from?
the Charger R/T on display wasn't even one of these cars (it was EK2 - "go mango"), I thought I had a better pic .....

by the February '70 Chicago Auto Show these "PROMO" cars were 6 months old, were scattered around the country, & I'll "ASSUME" many had private individual owners

[sdweatherman]

Dan,
johnny sixpack on this forum and on 70chargerregistry forum owns one of these cars. He has posted about his car and the Chicago 16 cars on both forums. If the Chicago Auto Show was in February, I can see the issue. The story goes that there were several of these cars made - all identical - and all but the Chicago Show car were sent to top Dodge dealerships as a promo/display car for the beginning of the 1970 model year. It's possible that there is no connection between the promo and show cars - but this is the current urban legend out there now. I will have to shoot Johnny a message and see if he has some documentation to connect these cars.
Scott.

[sdweatherman]

I did run across this Mopar Action article from 1993 on Johnny's "Chicago 16" Facebook page - check out the first paragraph.
Scott.

[Dodge Don]

When we started the 70 Charger Registry back in 2001 the stories of the Chicago show cars already existed, although as I recall it was then thought to be a handful of cars (like 5-6). As the Registry grew it became clear there were more of these sequential identical cars.

I just went back and looked at the documentation we have on file and in one case (100940) I have dealer ads beginning in January 1970 for this car by Hayward Dodge in California. Listed as an "Executive Car". Based on the dealer ads I have the car sat unsold (falling in price) until September 1970 where the trail runs cold.

[sdweatherman]

Checked with johnny sixpack and other than the above Mopar Action article, he does not have any solid documentation on the cars. Scott.

[472 R/T SE]

My mistake.  I wasn't aware J55 wasn't put on tags.  All I had to do was look at mine.

My blue car was a J55 car so I added the hood pad to the previous owners dismay.  I had 3 correct broadcast sheets though is how I knew I'm guessing.  I was going off that memory.  It may not be on the tag but it was on the sheets, have no clue about this car.

Johnny was on the west coast & was gonna check out the sunroof car & then come up & check out my blue car.  He never made it up here & I bet he's glad.  I remember when he bought that car.  There was talk of it being a promo car but nothing concrete IIRC.  Remember that Johnny?  We both were asking similar prices.  

Just another thing I'm just not up to snuff on, these codes & etc. so I'll politely bow out, sorry if I led someone astray.  

[472 R/T SE]

a number of examples of the collectable '70 "SHOW CAR" e & b-bodies survive, but very few of the a & c-bodies 4-doors and/or wagons are known to exist - the b-bodies that were there include:
USA -
BEE hardtop "top banana" w/black 440+6 4-spd,
Coronet 500 hardtop "light gold metallic" w/gold 383 4bbl auto,
Coronet R/T convertible "sublime" w/white 440 4bbl auto,
Charger "bright blue metallic" w/blue 318 auto,
Charger R/T SE "HEMI orange" w/black 440+6 auto
CANADA -
RR convertible "deep burnt orange metallic" w/black 383 4bbl 4-spd,
GTX "blue fire metallic" w/white 440 4bbl auto,
BEE hardtop "bright blue metallic" 440+6 4-spd,
Coronet R/T convertible "white" w/white 440 4bbl auto

No Plymouths for America? 

What about that yellow '70 Roadrunner that I forget his name, in Idaho, he found it in a salvage yard.  It was the brochure car with the big RR coming up out of the hood IIRC?  I don't think it was a pilot car but I thought it was confirmed as being something, lol.  Something special about it...crs moment.

[crj1968]

What about that yellow '70 Roadrunner that I forget his name, in Idaho, he found it in a salvage yard.  It was the brochure car with the big RR coming up out of the hood IIRC?  I don't think it was a pilot car but I thought it was confirmed as being something, lol.  Something special about it...crs moment.

This is in Idaho somewhere? Man seems it'd be hard to miss. 

[6bblgt]

No Plymouths for America?

there were US spec. Plymouth B-bodies in the "PROMO" program, I just do not know of any - there was probably a Belvedere, a Road Runner, a Satellite, a Sport Satellite, and a GTX (some 4drs, some wagons, some convertibles) they covered the full range of automobiles and OPTIONS that would be available at the introduction of the 1970 model year.  there were hundreds of cars built for the "DEALER INTRODUCTORY UNIT" program.

[6bblgt]

What about that yellow '70 Roadrunner that I forget his name, in Idaho, he found it in a salvage yard.  It was the brochure car with the big RR coming up out of the hood IIRC?  I don't think it was a pilot car but I thought it was confirmed as being something, lol.  Something special about it...crs moment.

1970 PILOT b-bodies I know of:
Satellite convertible red (dead & gone)
Road Runner coupe HEMI
Road Runner coupe 440+6
Charger 500 HEMI (anyone ever see a fender tag?)
Charger R/T 440
Coronet R/T convertible 440+6

surely there were more - anyone know of any others?

the FY1 ADVERTISING Road Runner is a pre-production "PILOT" car
many of the 1970 "PILOT" car's fender tag have codes that don't decode properly (as we've come to understand them) - just a hint to how early in the development they actually were.
no engine VIN code, D34 transmission, "JOB 183" of CHRYSLER CORP's 1970 offerings

two of the '71 "PILOT" 'Cudas have V26 on their fender tags - any IDEAS?
I own a "PILOT" '71 Barracuda /6 3-spd - (most of the date codes are from April '70) I believe it is pictured in the parts catalogs

[crj1968]

You have a 71 PILOT Barracuda? PICS!

I have nothing to add really but it is interesting that "business as usual" 4 decades ago has us mesmerized today.

[6bblgt]

it's currently in a million pieces

[crj1968]

Looks like it is in good hands! 

[Charger_Fan]

That is cool! Cool fender tag, too.
I assume you are restoring it with the original drivetrain?

[6bblgt]

the fender tag and original drivetrain are long gone, it acquired the hood, a 383, 4-spd, 11" brakes, & an 8-3/4" somewhere along the way.  20+ years ago

when this project started, it was just going to get a flat hood, steel wheels/hub caps & a GW3 "sno white" paint job, to look like it did in the parts book.   look at it now  

it originally appears to have had 6 OPTIONS when new - white sidewall tires, front bumper guards, cloth & vinyl seats, body side stripes, AM radio, & a clock.

[Charger_Fan]

Ah, I see. Too bad it came to you incomplete. I assume you have the build sheet, then?

[6bblgt]

NOPE!

[472 R/T SE]

You'll be taking it back to as factory as possible correct?


I had a '70 Barracuda Grand Coupe with a super low VIN.  I wanna say the last 2 numbers were in the 60's.  It was suppose to be one of the 1st e body out of the LA plant that sold new to the Olympia, Wa. area???
Nothing special, 318, auto, salt/pepper interior seats.  It was gonna be my race car.

I sold while in the hospital with broken back & freshly paralyzed.

[GOTWING]

AFAIK August scheduled "PROMO" & "SHOW CARS" were officially "DEALER ANNOUNCEMENT UNIT" (at least for the 1969 model year).  there were cars built for both the US and CANADA markets

the purpose of these cars was to showcase the new cars to dealer principals (& whoever else could manage an invite) at regional meetings before the official "on public sale" date for the new model year (late-August, early-September).  there were identical well OPTIONED cars  (usually, CA cars had N95 for example) of many different models specifically built for each of these "regional meetings".  all these cars were "Y16 - SALES BANK" as Chrysler did not have a dealership in mind when the cars were built, they were built for the "SHOW" & ended up as dealer demos or sitting in "SHOWROOMS" on display.  all of the '70 model year Chrysler domestic automobiles went on "official sale" Tuesday 9/23/69.

a number of examples of the collectable '70 "SHOW CAR" e & b-bodies survive, but very few of the a & c-bodies 4-doors and/or wagons are known to exist - the b-bodies that were there include:
USA -



Why is Satellite spelled wrong on the top of the window sticker ? 
BEE hardtop "top banana" w/black 440+6 4-spd,
Coronet 500 hardtop "light gold metallic" w/gold 383 4bbl auto,
Coronet R/T convertible "sublime" w/white 440 4bbl auto,
Charger "bright blue metallic" w/blue 318 auto,
Charger R/T SE "HEMI orange" w/black 440+6 auto
CANADA -
RR convertible "deep burnt orange metallic" w/black 383 4bbl 4-spd,
GTX "blue fire metallic" w/white 440 4bbl auto,
BEE hardtop "bright blue metallic" 440+6 4-spd,
Coronet R/T convertible "white" w/white 440 4bbl auto

pre-production "PILOT" cars were built before the model years production started - for 1970 these cars received a FRIDAY 801-SPD (I'd bet UAW membership was NOT working 8/1/69 in St. Louis)
production "DEALER ANNOUNCEMENT UNIT" were built during the first months' production - for 1970 these cars received a SATURDAY 802-SPD (again, I'd bet UAW membership was NOT working 8/2/69 in St. Louis)

remember the SPD is "SCHEDULED" - one of the "SHOW CAR" R/T SE 440 Six-Pack Chargers that I have info on - was "in plant" being assembled at St. Louis on Friday 8/15/69