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EPA wants to ban racing mods.

Started by JB400, February 09, 2016, 12:17:26 PM

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cbrestorations

but then the epa can contaminate a whole river running across several states with dangerous chemicals and its just a "whoops...our bad, it will dilute over time dont worry" damn Hippocrates

66FBCharger

I hope this doesn't actually happen.
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Mike DC

  
We need to fight this stuff.


                                                 
These won't help our case:  "I have the right to hot-rod my own car however I want!!"   "Modifying my cars is my great joy in life!!"  

The mainstream voter will think, "Fine, so do what you want on your own private property.  Don't threaten the safety of my kids with your immaturity."  (that's always how everything gets sold.  Push it as a safety issue.)  People only get upset about the govt overreaching its power on principle when it's doing something they don't like.



I suggest we push the angle that a skilled driver & car can handle better/safer than stock.  


SRT-440

A car doesn't need to be "modded" to be raced or to kill ppl..besides..there are "stock" cars that would drag some "racecars" down the track.  :shruggy:
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RallyeMike

This is where we should count our good fortune that we have organizations like SEMA. If we didnt have the EPA we'd be living in an smog-choked world, but without SEMA and other opposition to ground them in reality they would be totally out of control.
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QuoteThis is where we should count our good fortune that we have organizations like SEMA. If we didnt have the EPA we'd be living in an smog-choked world, but without SEMA and other opposition to ground them in reality they would be totally out of control.

Absolutely.  SEMA is the primary thing keeping a lot of car legislation at bay.   
           

Baldwinvette77

Well so much for safe legitimate auto racing, maybe now we will see a rise in illegal street racing, That'll make the world safer  :lol:

JB400

What's wrong with the smell of Nitromethane? :D  This is thanks to the climate change debacle that our celebrity wants to "fix".  I wonder if they realize that these high horsepower cars rarely get driven as often and probably only contribute .0001% of the CO2 emissions.  Most of them run on alcohol anyway, which is a renewable fuel.  Last I knew, isn't that what they want us to burn?

ws23rt

The EPA is like any other organization that has been established to help us get out of the way of ourselves.---We as individuals can't be trusted to do the right thing so we hire folks to tell us what is good or bad/what we can or cannot do. ---(we so need our moms)---- The down side is the pool to draw from to fill the positions of a new formed agency and more importantly --the folks at the top of the new "agency" are --who????---Are they just plain folks like us?? :scratchchin:

An agency with a title like ---EPA---" The Environmental Protection Agency"----has a scary powerful sound about it.

IMO this agency (by it's nature) has an obligation that is almost GOD like.  Just -and at least- by the title of the office.---They are chosen to speak for the natural way things are as --they-- see fit. :eek2:

What some of us older folks used to enjoy in earlier times (and like to play with for old times sake) is ultimately going to fade into the past. That is a given.

What I can't shake from what gives me a chill is the constant increase in the amount of additional restrictions and laws we are subjected to with virtually no repeal of stupid laws that are either out dated or clearly superfluous from the start.--- Hmmm---I think I'm starting to rant :eek2:--- :shruggy:




Chad L. Magee

Without the EPA in play, our cities would look much like China's cities with nearly constant smog problems.  We in the USA used to have those problems decades ago, but changed for the better because of the EPA rules on industrial air pollution.  People tend to forget that part of the equation. 
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crj1968

Thing is; China is smogged up making products for the USA. So the EPA didn't fix anything, just pushed it overseas.

I get not dumping waste in rivers and peoples backyards etc...but we don't need to be so restrictive and idiotic that whole companies will find it cheaper and easier to just leave the country.


Mike DC

         
Quote...but we don't need to be so restrictive and idiotic that whole companies will find it cheaper and easier to just leave the country.

Depends on the company.  There is no limit to the bad stuff that unpoliced commercial industries will do.  Without restrictions some businesses will literally only exist to do immoral things. 

   
China's pollution problems are pretty epic.  They say just being in some of those cities hits your body like smoking a couple packs of cigarettes per day.  

When the Olympics was in China a few years ago, some of the foreign athletes were flying in there just long enough to do their events and then rushing back out.  

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crj1968

Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on February 10, 2016, 02:19:16 PM
         
Quote...but we don't need to be so restrictive and idiotic that whole companies will find it cheaper and easier to just leave the country.

Depends on the company.  There is no limit to the bad stuff that unpoliced commercial industries will do.  Without restrictions some businesses will literally only exist to do immoral things.  

 
China's pollution problems are pretty epic.  They say just being in some of those cities hits your body like smoking a couple packs of cigarettes per day.  

When the Olympics was in China a few years ago, some of the foreign athletes were flying in there just long enough to do their events and then rushing back out.  


I agree....I'm not against regulation or inspections, just some of them are over the top.

I had a visitor for my work here in Idaho from X'ian China (think heavy pollution) and he sent some pictures back to his family of the mountains and stuff.  His little brother (8 yrs old) asked him " Why is the sky blue?"    :rotz:

He had actually thought pictures and movies he had seen with a blue sky were fake.   :-\


Chad L. Magee

Something to think about:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/china-air-pollution-brick_us_565dd024e4b08e945feca1fd

The US saw what pollution could do back in the 1960s-70s and realized that we had to do something about it.  But private industries did not want to do it of their own goodwill because that costs money.  Thus the EPA was born to correct this problem.  Some countries were slow on seeing the picture.  China is now slowly learning the effects of polluting their own environment.  They are in the process of developing a version of the EPA to watch over their own companies.  Time will tell if the pollution gets shifted to another country.    
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stripedelete

They showed riots in China on the news yesterday.   The rioters were wearing surgical masks.

Mike DC

   
Once China cleans up its act the industries will likely move on to Africa.  That will be the next (and probably final) frontier of cheap labor & no restrictions. 


XH29N0G

The people in China are killing themselves with their pollution.  My visits to china (Xi'an and other places) have really opened up my eyes to the issues.  I have memories of the US cities (south side of Chicago) from the 60's that were not too far off.  I had a horrible time breathing at that time, and memories of the smelters in Gary.  (In fact so bad they were in nightmares when I was a teen.)   I am glad things have been cleaned up from what they were, but don't know what we are doing now that 40 years from now we will be glad were done away with.  Yes, I would love to have race mods, and don't see them as a big issue, but I wonder what the real target is because my guess is that right now they are not a huge part of the pollution equation unless I have missed something.
Who in their right mind would say

"The science should not stand in the way of this."? 

Science is just observation and hypothesis.  Policy stands in the way.........

Or maybe it protects us. 

I suppose it depends on the specific case.....

Mike DC

      
Some have suggested that the coal-rolling habit may have prompted this.  It's coming amidst rules about heavier trucks.  

I really wish people wouldn't do that stuff.  It's just begging the govt to crack down on us.  We don't have the luxury of provoking the EPA & Greenies for kicks.  Not enough of the public is on our side.  
 

bull


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Quote from: cbrestorations on February 09, 2016, 12:31:43 PM
but then the epa can contaminate a whole river running across several states with dangerous chemicals and its just a "whoops...our bad, it will dilute over time dont worry" damn Hippocrates
That is no shit. If a private company were to have responsible for that kind of F-up, the persons responsible would be doing 10-20 in jail today! In a federal pen!

Gents, I favor banning the damn EPA instead. Vote the right correct way in what...9 months, and it might just happen!

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lloyd3

Some good news here....EPA just got their butts handed to them by the Supreme Court on the matter of carbon emissions. Long story short...EPA over-reached and on a 5 to 4 decision (one more activist liberal on the court and this wouldn't have happened) they were not only shut down, the industries that they would have ultimately destroyed won't have to pay for the normally onerous costs of litigation going forward.  The EPA has lost a significant amount of credibility in this decision and that will likely affect their ability going forward to saddle us with these newly proposed regulations. Full disclosure here: I was an EPA contractor for almost 20-years. By the end of my career, I was appalled by the bad science and raw-politics that drove many (if not most) of the decisions being made by the time I left the industry.  This will be a pyrrhic victory if some big changes in our government don't happen in the coming year.

RCCDrew

Quote from: lloyd3 on February 11, 2016, 01:25:04 AM
Some good news here....EPA just got their butts handed to them by the Supreme Court on the matter of carbon emissions. Long story short...EPA over-reached and on a 5 to 4 decision (one more activist liberal on the court and this wouldn't have happened) they were not only shut down, the industries that they would have ultimately destroyed won't have to pay for the normally onerous costs of litigation going forward.  The EPA has lost a significant amount of credibility in this decision and that will likely affect their ability going forward to saddle us with these newly proposed regulations. Full disclosure here: I was an EPA contractor for almost 20-years. By the end of my career, I was appalled by the bad science and raw-politics that drove many (if not most) of the decisions being made by the time I left the industry.  This will be a pyrrhic victory if some big changes in our government don't happen in the coming year.
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