I beat "The Man".

[Kern Dog]

I make routine trips to the dump for many reasons. At my place I have lawn and tree maintenance, I buy derelict cars with junk in them, all sorts of reasons why junk finds me and I have to get rid of it.
Almost 3 years ago an old timer finally had enough and wanted to clear out all his car stuff. I got almost all of it. Yeah, I got the bad with the good. 273 and 318 heads, drum brake parts, AND about 20-25 tires on small bolt pattern wheels. I don't deal with the small bolt stuff and every one of the tires was 15 years past being roadworthy.
The dump allows 4 tires per visit, anything over 4 is $1.50 per tire to leave there. What to do?
I made a "tire lasagne".
The bed of the truck was first covered in 8 tires laid flat. I covered that with old blankets and junk plywood. THEN another load of tires covered with tree branches and leaves. I put another 8 tires on that along with some bags of grass, misc boxes and other junk. I have side boards on the truck allowing me to pile up to the top of the cab. I waited to go on a busy Saturday so the attendant was distracted. The tires were disposed of in an environmentally responsible manner. (Instead of leaving them on the side of a lonely 2 lane road)
I laughed about it on the way home. I beat "The MAN."

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Congrats, you saved 10 bucks.

[Lennard]

Congrats, you saved 10 bucks.

[DixieRestoParts]

Hey, 10 bucks is 10 bucks......

[crj1968]

Congrats, you saved 10 bucks.

 

Hey Kern now you can go eat some real lasagna.   

[Kern Dog]

Yeah I know....
This was more about trying to be sneaky rather than saving money. It would have taken 6 months of dump visits to dump all of the tires for free. They still require people to separate all tires to a dumpster where they shred them for use in road work.

[6spd68]

Believe it or not, they also use the shredding below artificial turf   

[skip68]

They should be free to dump because they recycle them and it keeps people from tossing them off the side of the road.      

[ODZKing]

In New York, any place that does tire sales will take them, same as oil. I believe it is a law.
Some will charge the fee of $2.50 per but others don't.

[Troy]

Believe it or not, they also use the shredding below artificial turf   

Really? That's those black chunks that are always following me home in my shoes and pockets.

Troy

[stripedelete]

Plain 'ole bad juju.

[472 R/T SE]

Believe it or not, they also use the shredding below artificial turf   

Really? That's those black chunks that are always following me home in my shoes and pockets.

Troy

They're hard on eyes too.  Our soccer playing daughter will have issues sometimes with her contacts from the rubber chunks getting in her eyes.

[Kern Dog]

Plain 'ole bad juju.

Maybe....I'm hoping that all my indiscretions will be offset by the nice things that I do for friends and family. The only perfect man I've ever heard of walked on water a few thousand years ago...

[crj1968]

You got that right Kern.

Thou shalt not make spare tire lasagna !

[68X426]

Congrats, you saved 10 bucks.

What?

4 times $1.50 is $6.00.

[68X426]

At first I thought that Kern was out-of-line and cheating (small cheat but still bad mojo).  

But then I remembered that we have a tire tax here in the People's Republic of Kalifornia.

http://www.boe.ca.gov/lawguides/business/current/btlg/vol4/ctfl/ctfl-all.html

Those tires already have been paid for to be recycled, $1.75 per tire at the time of purchase.  Assuming that they are not contraband tires from Nevada, etc.  We are already paying Sacramento for the recycling.  So therefore I approve that you stuck it to the Man on this occasion.

You are morally righteous in your conduct at the dump, comrade.

[ws23rt]

I've had a pyramid of tires in my back yard for many years because of the high cost of getting rid of them. Where I live (oregon) the cost to dispose is $5 ea without rims and $7.50 with rims.

It seems odd that they have such a negative value. And it's little wonder why people are moved to find another way to make then go away.

[Lighthorseman]

...Hold on a sec here...

"Congrats, you saved 10 bucks."

"What?  4 times $1.50 is $6.00."

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but the crafty Mr. KernDog actually put 24 tires in the back of his truck...

"The bed of the truck was first covered in 8 tires laid flat. I covered that with old blankets and junk plywood. THEN another load of tires covered with tree branches and leaves. I put another 8 tires on that along with..."

So, by MY math, if he got the first 4 for free, he snuck in 20 tires at 1.50 a pop, for a total of a whopping 30 BUCKS!   

Enough for three lasagnas!

[skip68]

In California, I think it's a civic duty to stick it to the man.  All of you that live there have been paying for it X10 one way or the other. 
$5 a tire here in Oregon?   Wow.   .

[Kern Dog]

Whoa! Has the tide turned?
Lighthorseman got it right. It was something like 24 tires total. I was wondering when someone would notice that. With the bad responses, I figured that if I reminded people of that, they'd just pile on more. I started a similar thread on Moparts and got my ass handed to me.

[stripedelete]

At first I thought that Kern was out-of-line and cheating (small cheat but still bad mojo). 

But then I remembered that we have a tire tax here in the People's Republic of Kalifornia.

http://www.boe.ca.gov/lawguides/business/current/btlg/vol4/ctfl/ctfl-all.html

Those tires already have been paid for to be recycled, $1.75 per tire at the time of purchase.  Assuming that they are not contraband tires from Nevada, etc.  We are already paying Sacramento for the recycling.  So therefore I approve that you stuck it to the Man on this occasion.

You are a morally righteous in your conduct at the dump, comrade.

Now wait just a damn minute!   You're way off!  You either have MoJo or you don't.   Juju on the other hand is good or bad.  
Or do I have it backwards?  

[68X426]

Whoa! Has the tide turned?
Lighthorseman got it right. It was something like 24 tires total. I was wondering when someone would notice that. With the bad responses, I figured that if I reminded people of that, they'd just pile on more. I started a similar thread on Moparts and got my ass handed to me.

Hit me with a tire iron.  I only did a quick look at the tires on that first layer.  Lighthorseman is absolutely correct with all the layers.

[68X426]

Now wait just a damn minute!   You're way off!  You either have MoJo or you don't.   Juju on the other hand is good or bad.  
Or do I have it backwards?  

I was taught that karma divided by juju equals mojo.  More or less. 

All of which you can put in your wanga bag and smoke. 

Or maybe I was asleep for that day's lesson.

[Mytur Binsdirti]

So, by MY math, if he got the first 4 for free, he snuck in 20 tires at 1.50 a pop, for a total of a whopping 30 BUCKS!   

Enough for three lasagnas!

Not at Olive Garden.

[crj1968]

C'mon Turbin we're talking about real food here.

[John_Kunkel]

I started a similar thread on Moparts and got my ass handed to me.

And you probably still wonder why?

[Kern Dog]

No John, if you knew me, you'd possibly side with me. Hiding from behind the computer, it is easy to play the tough guy.
You'd think I poured used 40wt all over the White House lawn for all the jerkoffs over at Moparts that complained. They missed the forest for the trees.
Call it cheating? Okay.

Look at the racers that "cheated" to make the race cars faster. They pushed the limits until they won or were caught. People cheered and were impressed by their ingenuity.

Look at police and anti-terrorism task forces. They take liberties to stop these radical assholes and the only ones that are offended are the ACLU liberal idiots and the criminals themselves.

A large majority of people fudge the numbers on their tax forms, yet nobody has the balls to step up and admit it.

People eat grapes at the grocery, speed on the freeway, lie in court, flirt while married, break a tool, buy another than return the broken one for a refund, etc and never feel any guilt over it.

On the other hand, John....
Sometimes someone does something that they think is funny and in some misguided yet optimistic way, posts about it. THEN instead of a few people seeing the humor in a "Tire Lasagne", they run full speed with hard line opinions of theft and irresponsibility.

WAY to see the whole picture, people.

I thought that posting this would get a few laughs. This does highlight the lack of humor some people have.

The interesting thing is, the people with NO sense of humor often don't know it. Sorta like bad breath.

[Mytur Binsdirti]

I started a similar thread on Moparts and got my ass handed to me.

And you probably still wonder why?

And also on For B Bodies Only. Anywhere else?

[Kern Dog]

Come on, Richard. Your letting your real identity slip out!

I was trying to spread some joy and humor around. 

[Alaskan_TA]

Telling an amputee to "Eat a bullet." showed no class at all.

[XH29N0G]

I was trying to spread some joy and humor around.

And you succeeded   While I don't think I could do the same (My dad once called me Nixon for not telling the whole truth; I was seven, and I never recovered.),  I enjoyed how you described your victory against the man.  

[stripedelete]

Plain 'ole bad juju.

Maybe....I'm hoping that all my indiscretions will be offset by the nice things that I do for friends and family. The only perfect man I've ever heard of walked on water a few thousand years ago...

And today's his birthday! 

[ws23rt]

Stupid laws and regulations tend to invite violations and those that make them should expect protest violations.

The example in this thread is a good one.  Old tires are a reality. They need to be dealt with.

Let's say this same idea was used when thinking about sewage.---Individuals make it and it needs to be dealt with. If we had to collect our sewage and take it in and pay for it by the batch to be processed instead of the way we do this now I suspect their would be some littering going on.

Dealing with old tires is just another part of the waste we generate and industrial solutions are at hand.

In oregon we still have a bottle bill in place that gives money for empty cans and bottles.---Why can't we get money for old tires as opposed to paying to toss them??----We pay for the bottle deposit when we buy the soda just as we can pay for the tire deposit when we buy a tire.

[Kern Dog]

Telling an amputee to "Eat a bullet." showed no class at all.

I never mentioned anything regarding amputation.
The guy named "Stumpy" sides against me when it pleases him and it is all too often. Fair and civil disagreement is healthy and welcomed by me but he hit level 8 in one shot. He had it coming. I was playing nice until the rude guys took it too far.
If someone is rude to me or starts an attack, they should expect the same treatment in return.

I understand that some guys live their entire lives without making any waves or ruffling any feathers. The world would be terribly boring if everyone were like that. Like it or not, the ones that push people to get excited, to get angry to get motivated or to get even are the ones that make this world an interesting place   .

[John_Kunkel]

No John, if you knew me, you'd possibly side with me. Hiding from behind the computer, it is easy to play the tough guy.

Don't need to know anything other than you went on an international forum and bragged about pulling a scam. Yes, I have done many of the things you mentioned but I don't go on the web and brag about.

That's the difference.

[HANDM]

Here is western WA, they watch that shit closely and they would have stopped you at the window and given you two choices, either pay up or go back and pick the tires out of the pile...... seen it happen, same with tv's/ moniters.

so yeah, glad you feel good about your scam.... 

[Kern Dog]

No John, if you knew me, you'd possibly side with me. Hiding from behind the computer, it is easy to play the tough guy.

Don't need to know anything other than you went on an international forum and bragged about pulling a scam. Yes, I have done many of the things you mentioned but I don't go on the web and brag about.

That's the difference.

I see your point. I had many regrets about being a www.blabbermouth.com  but in my own poor judgement, I wasn't prepared for the mixed response from it all. I was not trying to brag but to entertain. My sense of humor apparently isn't what some people like or understand.  This has been a real eye opener for me.

[Chad L. Magee]

Stupid laws and regulations tend to invite violations and those that make them should expect protest violations.

The example in this thread is a good one.  Old tires are a reality. They need to be dealt with.

Let's say this same idea was used when thinking about sewage.---Individuals make it and it needs to be dealt with. If we had to collect our sewage and take it in and pay for it by the batch to be processed instead of the way we do this now I suspect their would be some littering going on.

Dealing with old tires is just another part of the waste we generate and industrial solutions are at hand.

In oregon we still have a bottle bill in place that gives money for empty cans and bottles.---Why can't we get money for old tires as opposed to paying to toss them??----We pay for the bottle deposit when we buy the soda just as we can pay for the tire deposit when we buy a tire.

To be able to get paid for old tires, one would have had to pay a surcharge (ie. deposit) when you bought them in the first place.  Since the older ones would not have had a deposit placed upon them, there is no money to be returned on them.  It is kinda hard to retroactively allow the old ones to be cashed in without losing massive amounts of money in the process at the start, so who will end up funding it?  It costs time to process tires, so recycling them costs money to someone when handling them.  I guess a state could pass a tire deposit law, if they have enough cash reserves on hand.  Another catch is that you would have to deal with out of area people wanting to cash in on their old tires with your program.  (I saw this happen with pop can deposits before.)  That issue would have to be dealt with someway. 

My state charges you a fee when you buy a new tire if you do not turn in the old one at that time.  If you do turn in the used tire, it will be disposed of by the place you buy the new tire from.  The catch is that you have to buy a new tire to get rid of the old one for free.  It is like a deposit program in reverse... 

[Back N Black]

No John, if you knew me, you'd possibly side with me. Hiding from behind the computer, it is easy to play the tough guy.

Don't need to know anything other than you went on an international forum and bragged about pulling a scam. Yes, I have done many of the things you mentioned but I don't go on the web and brag about.

That's the difference.

I see your point. I had many regrets about being a www.blabbermouth.com  but in my own poor judgement, I wasn't prepared for the mixed response from it all. I was not trying to brag but to entertain. My sense of humor apparently isn't what some people like or understand.  This has been a real eye opener for me.

You have been on this site long enough to know that shit can go sideways real fast.

[polywideblock]

you could always try making them into lawn swans   

    http://homeguides.sfgate.com/swan-tire-planters-instructions-49872.html

   

   man there's a lot of eco warriors out there      anyone over 45 must remember their old man having a "pit" in the backyard that old engine oil etc went into normally beside the corner post .    seriously at least he got rid of them at a dump, not beside the road somewhere . 

[skip68]

We would pour old oil on our dirt road to keep dust down.   
That was back in the seventies and eighties though. 

[Kern Dog]

There are numerous things that people did years ago that are frowned upon today. The enviro-fanatics complain that we are destroying the planet with what we do NOW. These over-zealous assclowns cannot be reasoned with, they cannot be bargained with. They show no common sense or reason.

[stripedelete]

and then a river caught fire.......

[John_Kunkel]

The enviro-fanatics complain that we are destroying the planet with what we do NOW. These over-zealous assclowns cannot be reasoned with, they cannot be bargained with. They show no common sense or reason.

Same can be said of the nay-sayers. Denial is a sad thing to see.

[Kern Dog]

I agree. We are living with better water and air quality than we did 20-30 years ago. Sadly, the enviro-zealots do not leave it alone and they will continue to press for even more restrictions while other countries pay no mind to it. I'm not saying we should return to dumping waste into the rivers. I just think that American industry is stifled by excessive EPA and local restrictions.
I guess we went off topic a bit. 

[Charger_Fan]

you could always try making them into lawn swans   

That's too funny!

[resq302]

I started a similar thread on Moparts and got my ass handed to me.

How does that not surprise me?  Moparts has been a joke for the last 5-8 years easy !

[John_Kunkel]

I just think that American industry is stifled by excessive EPA and local restrictions.

They brought it upon themselves in the quest for the buck.

[RallyeMike]

If you were my kid I'd be telling you to go back and pay what was owed for the extra tires.

[cbrestorations]

but the epa can contaminate a whole river across many states and its quickly hushed up...

[resq302]

Yeh... Isn't double standards great?