Charlie Lyons found 69 Daytona Barn Find found in Alabama

[Aero426]

Why is Mopar Muscle Magazine continuing to prop up this car with new web videos of the car in the "fake" barn setting, complete with barnyard sounds?    The seller must be LOVING the thousands of dollars worth of FREE advertising for the upcoming auction.   

[TheAutoArchaeologist]

Why is Mopar Muscle Magazine continuing to prop up this car with new web videos of the car in the "fake" barn setting, complete with barnyard sounds?    The seller must be LOVING the thousands of dollars worth of FREE advertising for the upcoming auction.   

It's a long story.  I agree it is ridiculous.  But Mopar Muscle needs as much help as it can get.  So they are milking it for all its worth sadly.

A carport!  That's it.  Had that rattling around in the old noggin, just couldn't pull the right word.  From what I understand it wasn't always under the carport, it was sitting outside for a while, and it was in a barn at one time. 

It is very disappointing the whole $hit show with this car.

Ryan

[Aero426]

It's a long story.  I agree it is ridiculous.  But Mopar Muscle needs as much help as it can get.  So they are milking it for all its worth sadly.

If getting web hits are more important than telling the REAL story,  I really don't want to read it.       

[A383Wing]

made FOX News also

http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2015/12/14/barn-find-16-dodge-daytona-charger-doesnt-run-but-is-worth-ton/

[djcarguy]

  i just saw it too ,383 wing. Fox News an KVAL .com on the west coast. Using the barn pic with the round bails behind it. i know the weather guy here ,he is also a car guy they had him repeting the fake barn story an super value of the as is super valuable find. i call the news office ,they said wood check out the info.Basicly like we dont care,asked no name or info of my info.

   SO BULL STORY IS NEWS ON THE WEST COAST AN NO ONE GIVES A DAMM BOUT THE TRUTH??? ? DJ,OREGON

[TheAutoArchaeologist]

  i just saw it too ,383 wing. Fox News an KVAL .com on the west coast. Using the barn pic with the round bails behind it. i know the weather guy here ,he is also a car guy they had him repeting the fake barn story an super value of the as is super valuable find. i call the news office ,they said wood check out the info.Basicly like we dont care,asked no name or info of my info.

   SO BULL STORY IS NEWS ON THE WEST COAST AN NO ONE GIVES A DAMM BOUT THE TRUTH??? ? DJ,OREGON

No, especially Fox News, they don't care about the truth.  For a fluff piece like that, they just run with what ever they are given.

[Aero426]

Ryan, did you take the original photos of it coming out of the carport?

[TheAutoArchaeologist]

Ryan, did you take the original photos of it coming out of the carport?

Not I, I have nothing to do with Mopar Muscle.  The editor and I do not see eye to eye.  I know the people involved though.

[Redbird]

We seem to have entered a High School senior class creative writing and photographing era. High on enthusiasm, low on substance, lower even on real meaning.

It seemed to have all started so simple. Folks would sometimes come on an hidden away gem. They have always been there.

Folks started looking for an angle when selling a neglected car. If it was not a gem it could be a "Barn Find ", at which point all the cars with rust, pitted chrome, or any other of a dozen or so faults made them a part of the club.

I applaud the enthusiasm, just as I applaud the enthusiasm of a High School debating club. But I would not want a High School debating club representing me in a legal matter before a judge.

If this works for sellers, great, good for them.

I think I have an understanding of the difference between a great story and a magazine fluff piece.

[Davtona]

It is sad and disappointing that it he didn't sell to someone who would put the love into it and keep it. I can only imagine what the owner must feel like now. It is a terrible, terrible thing this guy did.

Herein lies the problem with this crap. The owner was probably told it was being sold to "someone who would put the love into it and keep it." Yes I can only imagine what the guy that sold the car feels like. This is all fine it helps feed the egos of the look at me type guys who make it known to the world, makes for a great crap filled magazine article & then is great advertisement for the car flipper.
But what about the guy who had this car for so many years. Who was probably swindled in comparison to its current asking price but probably thought he completed the buyers dream. The same dream he had for many years I would guess. To own a real Daytona. Now he realizes it was all a line of crap just to get the car bought.

Shame on all involved in this.

[TheAutoArchaeologist]

It is sad and disappointing that it he didn't sell to someone who would put the love into it and keep it. I can only imagine what the owner must feel like now. It is a terrible, terrible thing this guy did.

Herein lies the problem with this crap. The owner was probably told it was being sold to "someone who would put the love into it and keep it." Yes I can only imagine what the guy that sold the car feels like. This is all fine it helps feed the egos of the look at me type guys who make it known to the world, makes for a great crap filled magazine article & then is great advertisement for the car flipper.
But what about the guy who had this car for so many years. Who was probably swindled in comparison to its current asking price but probably thought he completed the buyers dream. The same dream he had for many years I would guess. To own a real Daytona. Now he realizes it was all a line of crap just to get the car bought.

Shame on all involved in this.

Dave, so I shouldn't' put you down for a subscription to Hot Rod next year?

Before lets say "Part 2" of the story came out.  It was a great story.  A relatively unknown Daytona was bought by a guy after it has been sitting for decades.  So long that mold had accumulated on the wing.  That's great.  A) The car was saved.  B) It was a cool story being a "Carport Find" C) The history.  It would have been one of those stories a person can look back at and say, "See, there are still cool cars out there to be 'found' and they can be bought on occasion."  I know I was excited reading about the car and the guy saving it, etc....

But I AGREE completely reading "Part 2", that it was all the ruse for a Chevy flipper to buy the car, sensationalize it, and flip it.  It is a terrible thing, and makes everyone look bad. 

Ryan

[Davtona]

It is sad and disappointing that it he didn't sell to someone who would put the love into it and keep it. I can only imagine what the owner must feel like now. It is a terrible, terrible thing this guy did.

Herein lies the problem with this crap. The owner was probably told it was being sold to "someone who would put the love into it and keep it." Yes I can only imagine what the guy that sold the car feels like. This is all fine it helps feed the egos of the look at me type guys who make it known to the world, makes for a great crap filled magazine article & then is great advertisement for the car flipper.
But what about the guy who had this car for so many years. Who was probably swindled in comparison to its current asking price but probably thought he completed the buyers dream. The same dream he had for many years I would guess. To own a real Daytona. Now he realizes it was all a line of crap just to get the car bought.

Shame on all involved in this.

Dave, so I shouldn't' put you down for a subscription to Hot Rod next year?

Before lets say "Part 2" of the story came out.  It was a great story.  A relatively unknown Daytona was bought by a guy after it has been sitting for decades.  So long that mold had accumulated on the wing.  That's great.  A) The car was saved.  B) It was a cool story being a "Carport Find" C) The history.  It would have been one of those stories a person can look back at and say, "See, there are still cool cars out there to be 'found' and they can be bought on occasion."  I know I was excited reading about the car and the guy saving it, etc....

But I AGREE completely reading "Part 2", that it was all the ruse for a Chevy flipper to buy the car, sensationalize it, and flip it.  It is a terrible thing, and makes everyone look bad.  

Ryan

Ryan

Seems to me "part 2" was going on all the time including during "part 1" just nobody including the seller was aware of it. The Chevy flipper was telling the owner all along it was being sold to "someone who would put the love into it and keep it." That was a lie. The pictures flooding the web drew attention to the lie, the crap magazine article which was a lie, the staged auction which is a lie ALL fuel this type of bad publicity. It was on my local evening news tonight for Christ's sake. None of this has anything to do with saving a car it has to do with money / publicity in one form or another only.

No Hot Rod subscription since the 70's. And I'm not going to subscribe now because you are selling them pictures.

[TheAutoArchaeologist]

It is sad and disappointing that it he didn't sell to someone who would put the love into it and keep it. I can only imagine what the owner must feel like now. It is a terrible, terrible thing this guy did.

Herein lies the problem with this crap. The owner was probably told it was being sold to "someone who would put the love into it and keep it." Yes I can only imagine what the guy that sold the car feels like. This is all fine it helps feed the egos of the look at me type guys who make it known to the world, makes for a great crap filled magazine article & then is great advertisement for the car flipper.
But what about the guy who had this car for so many years. Who was probably swindled in comparison to its current asking price but probably thought he completed the buyers dream. The same dream he had for many years I would guess. To own a real Daytona. Now he realizes it was all a line of crap just to get the car bought.

Shame on all involved in this.

Dave, so I shouldn't' put you down for a subscription to Hot Rod next year?

Before lets say "Part 2" of the story came out.  It was a great story.  A relatively unknown Daytona was bought by a guy after it has been sitting for decades.  So long that mold had accumulated on the wing.  That's great.  A) The car was saved.  B) It was a cool story being a "Carport Find" C) The history.  It would have been one of those stories a person can look back at and say, "See, there are still cool cars out there to be 'found' and they can be bought on occasion."  I know I was excited reading about the car and the guy saving it, etc....

But I AGREE completely reading "Part 2", that it was all the ruse for a Chevy flipper to buy the car, sensationalize it, and flip it.  It is a terrible thing, and makes everyone look bad. 

Ryan

Ryan

Seems to me "part 2" was going on all the time including during "part 1" just nobody including the seller was aware of it. The Chevy flipper was telling the owner all along it was being sold to "someone who would put the love into it and keep it." That was a lie. The pictures flooding the web which drew attention to the lie, the crap magazine article which was a lie, the staged auction which is a lie ALL fuel this type of bad publicity. It was on my local evening news tonight for Christ's sake. None of this has anything to do with saving a car it has to do with money / publicity in one form or another only.

No Hot Rod subscription since the 70's. And I'm not going to subscribe now because you are selling them pictures.

Oh I'm sure it was going on the whole time.  I'm sure the Chevy flipper whispered in the owners ear everything the he needed/wanted to hear so he could steal the car.  And that's really unfortunate, like we all said.  If it was going to be saved, we all wish it had gone to someone who would do right by the car.

The magazine probably didn't know about "Part 2" originally, otherwise they would have put it into the original article.  They would love to have that kind of publicity with Mecum.  If you notice though, other then a note in the description of the car about it being in Mopar Muscle in the November issue, everything is linked to the Mecum info, not the Mopar Muscle article.  They missed out big time, but are trying still to capitalize on it as a "we have pictures too" kind of deal.

It's sad, unfortunate and disappointing all around.  Now lets see what kinda $hit storm this causes.

Not just selling the pics, writing the story as well!

[Aero426]

Folks started looking for an angle when selling a neglected car. If it was not a gem it could be a "Barn Find ", at which point all the cars with rust, pitted chrome, or any other of a dozen or so faults made them a part of the club.

Certainly regarding working an angle, there is a segment of BUYERS who enjoy the ride of "celebrity" status of their hunks of you know what.  

A year ago, I was passed some "you won't believe this story" photos of a car that came out of a barn in the northeast.   But it was with the request that I not share or publish them in the club newsletter as the purchaser wanted to make a "big splash" with the magazines, which indeed happened.  In other words, "we" as a winged car group (I would surmise) were not important enough to break the story.  That's fine, and certainly, I honored that request.  Since then, the car has now made the circuit of the big shows and has been a hit.   I hope it moves on to restoration.  

In the not so old days,  you couldn't wait to wash the detritus of poor storage off the car.   Now, somehow it is fashionable to leave it in situ. Heaven forbid you disturb it while pushing the car to its spot at the show.     The show audience far and away LOVES these cars.  So as the saying goes,  "the market is never wrong".

The point is, there seems to be some additional perceived value to owning a spectacular piece of barn porn with a compelling story.  Call that additional value "blue sky", if you want.   Restoration for some owners is a secondary concern, out there in the distance.    Will be interesting with the Mecum to car to see if anyone bites on the story and bids to win.

[mack]

http://abc7news.com/society/know-and-tell-rare-1969-dodge-charger-daytona-found-in-alabama-barn/1126954/

i thought i'd post it anyway. i hope it goes to a good home. i'm thinking they may be a little optimistic on the price they're hoping for. but, ya never know.

[odcics2]

Being carried on CNN, with the bogus "barn" scene...   

http://money.cnn.com/2015/12/15/autos/dodge-charger-daytona-auction/index.html

[wingcarenvy]

Staged in a new "barn find" setting for a professional photo shoot and marketing purposes.    

This is the new M.O.   Find the car.  Buy the car.  Get Hot Rod, MCG or (insert publication here) to write it up with the usual tear jerker, "I've always wanted a Daytona" story.     Then consign it and hire the pro photographer to take the glamour shots complete with lighting.   Overall, I find it distasteful.  

X 1,000,000

I agree that this poor soul of a Daytona will get passed around. Unfortunately there are now a million "Richard Rawlins" rolling around lie and cheating their way around the car hobby for a quick buck. The marketing job of this car is as bad as the old used car salesman lies. Mopar Muscle is all washed up and is hanging by a thread, same fate that Popular Hot Rodding suffered at the hand of that idiot. I for one would love to find a Daytona or Superbird in this condition and the first thing, before I even bring it home, would be to wash it. These "barn finds" smell of death and look like crap. Ryan, I applaud what you do and really enjoy the pictures. I also like the fact that you have the integrity to keep the car secret. I have been to many of these auctions and the cars sit there with a few sentences on a piece of paper taped to the windshield. Most of the owners don't give a sh&t about the car enough to accompany it and talk about it. People buy these cars without driving them or laying on the ground to check out the rusty rockers yet they pay top dollar for them. It frustrates me to think about it. I do this hobby because I enjoy the cars, not to make a buck. Sorry for the rant guys.

[djcarguy]

Man that is cool !

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[TheAutoArchaeologist]

Well I guess the car just went over the block.

I know for a fact that the guy Charlie who pulled it out of the car port paid $115,000

It sold for $90,000.

Well there ya go.

[A383Wing]

good, serves him right

[Beep Beep Dave]

Thanks for posting the inside info Ryan. Its nice to hear the whole story. For once the long time owner of the car ended up with the $$$ Even at $90k I think that is more than enough money. Then buyers premium, transport, taxes, etc...how much will the the new owner be in it for?

Dave

[cdr]

Well I guess the car just went over the block.

I know for a fact that the guy Charlie who pulled it out of the car port paid $115,000

It sold for $90,000.

Well there ya go.

[F6Bee]

What a joke the whole thing was.  At the end of the day it is a rusty crusty Daytona project worth probably 60-70k needing well more than that in resto costs.

90k was strong money, but not surprising at auction.

[odcics2]

Well I guess the car just went over the block.

I know for a fact that the guy Charlie who pulled it out of the car port paid $115,000

It sold for $90,000.

Well there ya go.

Karma, baby!   

[ACUDANUT]

I've quite had my fill of "barn" finds, the term has become as appealing to me as frame off restorations of unibody cars or survivors with rusted 1/4's and repainted fenders.

I've always wanted a Daytona huh. Ya right you will never own one as obviously money is more important. Just another flipper. This was a cool story at first with potential that went downhill fast today for me anyway. I agree the barn find thing is definitely worn out although this appeared closer to a real one than most. Most times they are about some I want to be famous guy that stumbles across something the owner and the relatively local crowd knows exactly what it is. But the whole rest of the world does not know about it so he feels it is his duty to blab about it to the entire world. Too bad this did not go to someone who genuinely wanted a wing car. Now it is probably out of the range of the average person. Be curious what it does sell for. Wrong guy / right place I guess you could say.  

Agreed.