IS IT TO LATE TO STOP THE WORLD CANCER (MIDDLE EAST TERRORISTS)?????????

[skip68]

  I was gonna use the name Bruce but thought it would be cruel and offensive.      

The biggest problem I have and only problem with Muslims is that they've known about the radicals far longer than we have.   They've known what goes on in their communities well before us and now we have to clean it up.  
I'm told that there is millions and millions of good peace loving Muslims.   Where are they?   Why aren't they (Muslim leaders) holding press conferences and pledging to help defeat the radicals?   All the other world leaders are trying to work together and figure this out while the Muslim community takes a back seat and is silent.   WTF?    

[ws23rt]

I was gonna use the name Bruce but thought it would be cruel and offensive.      

The biggest problem I have and only problem with Muslims is that they've known about the radicals far longer than we have.   They've known what goes on in their communities well before us and now we have to clean it up.  
I'm told that there is millions and millions of good peace loving Muslims.   Where are they?   Why aren't they (Muslim leaders) holding press conferences and pledging to help defeat the radicals?   All the other world leaders are trying to work together and figure this out while the Muslim community takes a back seat and is silent.   WTF?    

If we were 12 years old it would have been

I agree --the silence from the Muslim community hurts my ears too.

[skip68]

Yes the silence of the Muslim community speaks for itself. 
From what it looks like to me is this. 
They aren't standing out in front of us,
They aren't standing beside us,
They aren't even standing behind us. 
Their community is very quiet possibly out of fear I presume. 
This is probably the biggest reason we are suspicious of them.   

[cdr]

just read the quran,  this is just a few of the many .

Islam... Clearly and Concisely Evil and Violent.

Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."


Bukhari (52:256) - The Prophet... was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." In this command, Muhammad establishes that it is permissible to kill non-combatants in the process of killing a perceived enemy. This provides justification for the many Islamic terror bombings.


Bukhari (52:220) - Allah's Apostle said... 'I have been made victorious with terror'


Abu Dawud (14:2526) - The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist)


Abu Dawud (14:2527) - The Prophet said: Striving in the path of Allah (jihad) is incumbent on you along with every ruler, whether he is pious or impious


Muslim (1:33) - the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah

[Drache]

just read the quran,  this is just a few of the many .

Islam... Clearly and Concisely Evil and Violent.

You're posting quotes from the "New Quran".

Just like there is a "New Testament" and an "Old Testament".

The "Old" or "Original" Quran does promote peace. Then for some reason, Mahammed changed his ideals and wrote a "New" Quran stating that everything he wrote about in the "Original" Quran was now mute. Radicals follow the "New" Quran. Everyday normal Muslims follow the "Old Quran".

[ws23rt]

The way of religions is to tell people how they should think. This must come from a need?  Are religions an extension of the family? Do we need constant family until old age?

We are one of many species that develop from infant to independent at a slow pace.  It is true that many of our young are on their own before they have the skills to make their way. These (not yet developed) can become the tools to be used as weapons. Those that may come to use them (as weapons) are a mix of the same.

My opinions and observations are admittedly all I have to go on and only reflect the many questions I have.

Something I brought forward from the playgrounds I grew up with are that peer pressure has power. It can be good or bad.---That's just a point of view---
The peer pressure from the Muslim community to help is something the world needs. If they don't step up and help it is a very ominous tell.

With that expressed.-- --I step back and wonder about the various ways nature has of correcting overpopulation.--Lemmings have an efficient and effective method. It's not very messy and is good fish food.---And is (BTW) very green.

Those that understand and accept the "terrorist movement" would help all involved if they would just get out of the way so we have a clear view. Go swim with the lemmings. The positives from a pragmatic point of view are huge.

[skip68]

Ok ok ok.     
My dearest Muslims, you won't fight, you want us to do it for you.  You won't unite and stand with us (or behind us)  You don't want us treating you with suspicion.   You want us and other countries to take you in and protect your women, children and able bodied (combat age) men. 
So, for Allah's sake will you please give us inside information?   
And by the way, part of being American means men don't hide behind women and children.   We can teach you to fight.  If you are afraid then we will make you cooks or medics or mechanics or something.  We will find something for you to help support our troops. 
Sounds good to me.   

I'm trying not to get into a rant but can anyone explain to me how can millions of muslims just do nothing?   
Wouldn't you think that the American Muslims would be leading the charge?   Am I seriously missing something or are we all?   
You'd think the first thing a man would do after his family is safe would be to ask "what can I do to help"? 

[ws23rt]

I read my last post and feel the need to apologize to any one that may think I am attacking them. I am only responding to my ideas and thoughts. Not the ones that they share, or their origin. --I am told by my attorney to say this. --

I AM interested in the distinction between the new and old "quran".  This (and any) in site is relevant. I am not too old to learn new stuff and it looks like their is much to learn.

[Mike DC]

          
             
What are the millions of Muslims supposed to do?  
Only the big leaders get any press attention and they get way more pressure to conform than most. (I'm not excusing, just saying)    


What insider information is there to pass on?  
I'm a white Christian and I couldn't have warned the FBI about Timothy McVeigh.  The average Muslim in a western country won't be up on the latest ISIS intel.  Only the extremists are likely to know anything.  


Are the everyday Muslims supposed to take to the streets protesting the violence all day?  
Some have done that.  Most are working jobs & going to school like the rest of us.  

[Back N Black]

Ok ok ok.     
My dearest Muslims, you won't fight, you want us to do it for you.  You won't unite and stand with us (or behind us)  You don't want us treating you with suspicion.   You want us and other countries to take you in and protect your women, children and able bodied (combat age) men. 
So, for Allah's sake will you please give us inside information?   
And by the way, part of being American means men don't hide behind women and children.   We can teach you to fight.  If you are afraid then we will make you cooks or medics or mechanics or something.  We will find something for you to help support our troops. 
Sounds good to me.   

I'm trying not to get into a rant but can anyone explain to me how can millions of muslims just do nothing?   
Wouldn't you think that the American Muslims would be leading the charge?   Am I seriously missing something or are we all?   
You'd think the first thing a man would do after his family is safe would be to ask "what can I do to help"? 

Skip are you able bodied (combat age) man. You could fight the fight and go over and maybe take out 10 or 12 before you get knock down.

[ws23rt]

         
             
What are the millions of Muslims supposed to do?  
Only the big leaders get any press attention and they get way more pressure to conform than most. (I'm not excusing, just saying)    


What insider information is there to pass on?  
I'm a white Christian and I couldn't have warned the FBI about Timothy McVeigh.  The average Muslim in a western country won't be up on the latest ISIS intel.  Only the extremists are likely to know anything.  




Are the everyday Muslims supposed to take to the streets protesting the violence all day?  
Some have done that.  Most are working jobs & going to school like the rest of us.  

Your point Is on point.  Most of the questions asked by me and others on this are (IMO) rhetorical. The answers might come from thinking about the questions.

If I was a Muslim and found a world closing in on me for an answer I would feel oppressed. I already know what feeling oppressed is by being and old white guy that has made his own way. --I should have perhaps handicapped whats left of my future for the other needy.
But like on the plane--You must put the oxy. mask on first. Without it you can do no good for others.

[skip68]

At 46 I'm not considered combat age.   
Like I said earlier.  I don't think there should be boots on the ground unless others are helping and we flood the area.     

[ws23rt]

Ok ok ok.     
My dearest Muslims, you won't fight, you want us to do it for you.  You won't unite and stand with us (or behind us)  You don't want us treating you with suspicion.   You want us and other countries to take you in and protect your women, children and able bodied (combat age) men. 
So, for Allah's sake will you please give us inside information?   
And by the way, part of being American means men don't hide behind women and children.   We can teach you to fight.  If you are afraid then we will make you cooks or medics or mechanics or something.  We will find something for you to help support our troops. 
Sounds good to me.   

I'm trying not to get into a rant but can anyone explain to me how can millions of muslims just do nothing?   
Wouldn't you think that the American Muslims would be leading the charge?   Am I seriously missing something or are we all?   
You'd think the first thing a man would do after his family is safe would be to ask "what can I do to help"? 

Skip are you able bodied (combat age) man. You could fight the fight and go over and maybe take out 10 or 12 before you get knock down.

What is this??

[ws23rt]

The topic is about the turnover point that may have been reached.---That would be --are we going to die from this "cancer"?
It's easy to come up with the reasons we will.--Because we have died from it before-

The popular response is we are small and have few ways to contribute. --I feel that.-- I also feel that my clicking on my little keyboard will have no practical affect on the world.--It is true but I do it anyway.  We use the tools we have at hand.

I (more than most) know that when I sprinkle a salt shaker on the beach it will not make the beach saltier or less. It will however be my contribution. I also pee outside sometimes so the wildlife is reminded that I am still here.

This topic is in our faces today and is a window into our near future. I hope we can stay on topic.

[skip68]

If anyone is thinking that Muslims don't know anything about any radicals you are wrong.   Of course not all do but enough do.  They don't say anything out of fear.  There has been several Muslim leaders here in the U.S. that were radicalized.  Also some of the Muslim properties were filtering money for terrorists.   I know this doesn't prove that all are bad because we can find illegal activities with most large religions also.  Bottom line is the ties with Muslims and radicals is undeniable.  Kinda like a beer and cigarette, they go hand in hand.  
In my searching I've read that some Muslims are speaking out and some have given information on inside radicals.   So, I apologize when I said they won't give information.  
Scratched last part out.  
I don't want to get off topic here either. 

[Drache]

My dearest Muslims, you won't fight, you want us to do it for you. 

What about the 13,000 or so active US service men and women whom are Muslim?

[skip68]

I'm talking about the refugees.   

[Drache]

Oh and as for mostly Muslim military units around the world... Turkey has the largest mostly Muslim army in the world and ranks #10 overall for military strength. Then you have Pakistan at #17, Egypt at #18, Iran at #23, Singapore at #26, Algeria at #27, etc.

[sunfire69]

You are correct Drache...they are Muslim army's....and they have fought along side the US...but...ONLY because their faction of Muslim is at war with the other faction of Muslims....when it's the same faction or an allied faction they sit out....and a;most every US combat commander will tell you that when ever they go into battle with them they worry about where their loyalty lies.....and to address something else brought up...
Yes Muslim communities are aware who is radicalized in their neighborhoods....they know exactly who they are and they will not turn them in..their loyalty is to their family and religion NOT the country they are in....if push comes to shove they will always support family and religion first....either by helping covertly, providing aide or simply turning their back on events and claim they knew nothing....they are nice and might not want to kill you but if another Muslim does they won't do anything to warn you or stop it...It is Allah's will"

[sunfire69]

And not to split hairs but none of these events were spurred but a desire to convert people or control they were all either hate crimes border wars or ethnic wars....in the case of the Abortion clinics it wasn't so much in the name of religion as much as it was simply a lone wolf's hatred of abortion

Wisconsin Sikh Temple massacre, Aug. 5, 2012
This was an ethnic hate crime the gunman didn't much care what the religion was

The murder of Dr. George Tiller, May 31, 2009
Shot because he was and abortion doctor.....gunman felt justified because in his view he killed a murder

Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church shooting, July 27, 2008
This gunman was a real winner .....he simply hated everybody including Democrats....

The murder of Barnett Slepian byJames Charles Kopp, Oct. 23, 1998
Another one simply because he performed abortions

The Centennial Olympic Park bombing, July 27, 1996
This one was Eric Rudolf....he bombed 4 abortion clinics and decided to do the Olympics....dude simply got carried away in his own mind

Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City bombing, April 19, 1995
This moran just hated the government....no religion involved.....I wish I could have done this execution myself.!
The murder of Dr. John Britton, July 29, 1994
same thing.....
Planned Parenthood bombing, Brookline, Massachusetts, 1994
again an abortion foe...not efforts by a church to effect change
Anything by the Klu Klux Klan
Less in the name of Christanity more a point of racial hate

Sabra and Shatila massacre - 1982
This was part of the Palenstinian war....the group had Christian in their name but again this was a faction war....

National Socialist Council of Nagaland Ethnic Cleansing - 1992
This is a straight up border war.......

National Liberation Front of Tripura Temple Massacre - 2000
This was another ethnic cleansing not so much what religion you were but where you were born....
Lord's Resistance Army (Joseph Kony ring a bell?)
OK...this dude was just plain nuts again Christian was in the name as was Cult the guy thought he was possessed by spirits and thought he was a medium
Anti-balaka Massacres
Again border wars......
in all these cases you can't point to Christianity and say " the Methodist church ( insert any church name) did this to force compliance these were all people outside of their religions mainstream...in some cases way out.....none of these compare to the structure of the events unfolding around the world right now

[skip68]

Thanks for the education sunfire     
I don't like saying this but the more I learn about the Muslim religion the more it seems like a cult.   Lots of so called self proclaimed profits and you must do as they say.  I found that last night.   I'm gonna go back to search for it again and post it.  I'm not sure which book it was out of so some will argue that it's the wrong book or old book.   I think that's the problem perhaps with this religion.  It's got splinters off the main one but they are not completely split off.   I think there will be more looking into mosques in the future as we should and do with any religious cult.   

Here's the thing that really pisses me off about anyone that tries to say we're attempting religious persecution by not welcoming Muslims.
That's a crock of shit.   I (we Americans) don't care what you believe in.   We don't care if for some reason you think a cow is sacred.   We just don't want you killing us.   We've got some pretty bizarre so called religions here in the United States but none are trying to kill us. 
I feel it's your right to worship anything you want but if your religion has ties to terrorism we must draw the line.   
The more I read and learn about the muslim religion the more I'm feeling they do not belong here at all.   

[sunfire69]

And that is the kernal to all this.....we don't care about what you believe in....but if you are trying to kill us and will do or say anything to make that happen then we need to keep you out....and to say it's only the radical ones is just plain wrong....moderates WILL support the radical...they have to....or risk death themselves.....so they sit idly by .....

[Old Moparz]

I was gonna use the name Bruce but thought it would be cruel and offensive.      

The biggest problem I have and only problem with Muslims is that they've known about the radicals far longer than we have.   They've known what goes on in their communities well before us and now we have to clean it up.  
I'm told that there is millions and millions of good peace loving Muslims.   Where are they?   Why aren't they (Muslim leaders) holding press conferences and pledging to help defeat the radicals?   All the other world leaders are trying to work together and figure this out while the Muslim community takes a back seat and is silent.   WTF?    

You need to seek & find a news source that will actually cover it. The majority of the media outlets are more interested in profiting from the fear that goes along with keeping the couch potato population on the edge of their couch glued to the TV telling them the Muslim around the corner is building a bomb right now.

Muslims Around The World Condemn Paris Attacks Claimed By ISIS:
http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/11/14/3722277/muslims-condemn-paris-attacks-pope-francis/

Muslim Activist in Paris Condemns Attacks, Rising Islamophobia
http://www.democracynow.org/2015/11/16/we_are_scared_we_are_grieving

'We need to wage a jihad against the jihad': French Muslims join mourners to condemn Paris attacks... But are they too late?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3322064/We-need-wage-jihad-against-jihad-French-Muslims-join-mourners-condemn-Paris-attacks-late.html

[sunfire69]

I looked at the first one and as I read thru...I find this
"In the United States, the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), a Muslim social justice group, quickly issued a press release rejecting terrorism — something they do regularly in response to such incidents."....
They have a canned statement they release.....they take a page out of our politicans play book...it's called the art of lip service....
I said it before and I'll say it again....the radicals are known..!!! turn them in before they do something....but they don't and never will....

When a Honda engine blows up....I issue a statement how horrible it is to abuse such a weak low torque engine that spins the front wheels and that the perpetrator should be punished....

Then come on here and make fun of the poor slob for thinking he could drive a POS Honda like that....and we all rejoice at it's demise....Praise be to Mother Mopar and all that is rear wheel drive.....death to front wheel drive.....

[Old Moparz]

I looked at the first one and as I read thru...I find this
"In the United States, the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), a Muslim social justice group, quickly issued a press release rejecting terrorism — something they do regularly in response to such incidents."....
They have a canned statement they release.....they take a page out of our politicans play book...it's called the art of lip service....
I said it before and I'll say it again....the radicals are known..!!! turn them in before they do something....but they don't and never will....

When a Honda engine blows up....I issue a statement how horrible it is to abuse such a weak low torque engine that spins the front wheels and that the perpetrator should be punished....

Then come on here and make fun of the poor slob for thinking he could drive a POS Honda like that....and we all rejoice at it's demise....Praise be to Mother Mopar and all that is rear wheel drive.....death to front wheel drive.....

Every single organized group, agency, religion, corporation, government, etc., has a canned response in their files for whatever crisis arises. If one doesn't say something they are condemned & criticized. If they do say something they are condemned & criticized.