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V88 vs. tail stripe

Started by 66FBCharger, September 24, 2015, 07:08:37 AM

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66FBCharger

What was more popular when the '69s were new? V88 stripe delete or the tail stripe?
Ghoste, what percentages do you see from the cars in the registry?
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Tmb84

Im considiring bring my 70 383 back to original, remove the stripe, 15" magnums and put on the original 14" rallys. evveryone got the stripe!
just my opinion
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Ghoste

I can check when I get home but I can tell you that the majority had the stripe.

Chad L. Magee

The V88 stripe delete RTs were fairly rare back in the day.  Of the hundreds of RTs that I have looked at (car shows, drivers, junkyards, field cars, etc), only a handful have been V88s per the fender tag.  It is not too unusual for a striped car to lose its stripe during a paint job if the owner does not want to go through the trouble of putting one back on.  Conversely, I have seen V88s get their stripes by later owners who wanted them on there.

Because V88s are rare to find, I kept my eye out for them when I was buying cars.  In my pile of Charger projects, I have two that were V88s: one very rough & rusty 1969 RT in triple green and one fairly stripped down 1970 RT in triple black, both 4-speed cars.  What would be even rarer to find would be an RT/SE with that option.   
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Challenger340

Quote from: Chad L. Magee on September 24, 2015, 09:13:48 AM
The V88 stripe delete RTs were fairly rare back in the day.  Of the hundreds of RTs that I have looked at (car shows, drivers, junkyards, field cars, etc), only a handful have been V88s per the fender tag.  It is not too unusual for a striped car to lose its stripe during a paint job if the owner does not want to go through the trouble of putting one back on.  Conversely, I have seen V88s get their stripes by later owners who wanted them on there.

Because V88s are rare to find, I kept my eye out for them when I was buying cars.  In my pile of Charger projects, I have two that were V88s: one very rough & rusty 1969 RT in triple green and one fairly stripped down 1970 RT in triple black, both 4-speed cars.  What would be even rarer to find would be an RT/SE with that option.   

Sorry for the hijack...

So is a 1969 R/T SE with the V88 Stripe Delete fairly rare ?
If so,
any guesses how many ? 
Only wimps wear Bowties !

Ghoste

I need to look it up tonight like I said, but for some reason my memory (which admittedly sucks) is that I noted MORE RT SE cars with stripe delete than in the regular RT line.

DixieRestoParts

For what It's worth, my F3 R/T SE is stripe delete. It is a customer ordered car. He liked the color and also wanted a/c and a 4spd. Dealer told him to choose as he couldn't have both. So, he chose the 4spd. Man after my own heart.

My R6 R/T SE was also an ordered car. Originally, ordered in F8, owner went back and changed to R6. Good call. He wanted White top and White stripe. Good combo on that car. A34 car.
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tan top

 V88   R/T SE   here  :yesnod:  ,  


my memory is telling me , think ive seen more V88 R/T SE cars   :scratchchin:  , think it was the R/T  ! that was more common with the stripe    :scratchchin:

  type of buyer related etc  :shruggy:

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I wonder how many X9 Black, R/T SE, with V88 there were/are ?

I've seen lots of X9 Black R/T's with Stripe.... or V88
But so far I haven't run across another Black, R/T with SE and V88 ?

I guess a guy will just never know ?

How's that '69 registry coming Ghoste ? my apologies, you are probably sick and tired of people asking.
Only wimps wear Bowties !

Chad L. Magee

Quote from: Ghoste on September 24, 2015, 10:49:05 AM
I need to look it up tonight like I said, but for some reason my memory (which admittedly sucks) is that I noted MORE RT SE cars with stripe delete than in the regular RT line.

You are probably right on that, Ghoste.  I just have not come across too many RT/SEs that were V88s, compared to regular RTs.

My old 69 RT/SE shell (T3) was a striped car.
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Ghoste

Quote from: Challenger340 on September 24, 2015, 01:03:17 PM

How's that '69 registry coming Ghoste ? my apologies, you are probably sick and tired of people asking.


No, actually I'm glad that people ask.  I have had a couple of trial versions up but without announcing it just to get a feel for it.  In both cases, I took it down because I was not satisfied with it.  So I now largely have a new version ready, or at least I think I do.  There was an issue with the site host that prevented version 3 from going up but just as well because it was modified since then.  Couple that with being a single parent and someone who tends to spend a little more time at work than I should and it quickly becomes good to be needled about it once in a while.

69 OUR/TEA

Quote from: Challenger340 on September 24, 2015, 01:03:17 PM
I wonder how many X9 Black, R/T SE, with V88 there were/are ?

I've seen lots of X9 Black R/T's with Stripe.... or V88
But so far I haven't run across another Black, R/T with SE and V88 ?

I guess a guy will just never know ?

How's that '69 registry coming Ghoste ? my apologies, you are probably sick and tired of people asking.



I know of 2 members here that have them that way , myself and friend/member "RT/SE" has one as well . Both are triple black 69 R/T SE's , V88 . His is a 4 speed , PW , PDB car . Mine is picture of tag . His is the other (before resto).

68pplcharger


ws23rt

I have a question about the V88 code on the tag.  My C500 has the V88 code.  The car had a stripe when I bought it in the early eighties but could have been added since the car was built.

I met Galen years ago when he inspected my car and have a foggy memory that he told me most C500's had the V88 on the tag but came with the stripe anyway.  Does this sound right?

Of course the next question is.  How many (if any) C500's did not have the V88 code?---Perhaps a question for the areo section? :scratchchin:

Ghoste

The 500's began life as RT's so they were all coded for V88 so that Creative would not have an RT stripe to remove in order to put the 500 one on there.

Ghoste

Just doing a quickie on what I have in the registry right now it looks to be around 7% with V88.  I need to break it down some more to get closer and then spend some time sorting through the SE cars.

69 OUR/TEA

Quote from: Ghoste on September 24, 2015, 08:24:09 PM
The 500's began life as RT's so they were all coded for V88 so that Creative would not have an RT stripe to remove in order to put the 500 one on there.


So they removed the R/T emblems and put the stripe right over the holes ? Or did bodywork over them ?

ws23rt

Quote from: Ghoste on September 24, 2015, 08:24:09 PM
The 500's began life as RT's so they were all coded for V88 so that Creative would not have an RT stripe to remove in order to put the 500 one on there.

That makes practical sense.  :2thumbs:  I also did forget that the stripe on the 500's was unique to the 500's. :slap:

XS29L9Bxxxxxx

Not sure what's more popular, but I prefer V88

C500

Quote from: 69 OUR/TEA on September 24, 2015, 08:27:58 PM
Quote from: Ghoste on September 24, 2015, 08:24:09 PM
The 500's began life as RT's so they were all coded for V88 so that Creative would not have an RT stripe to remove in order to put the 500 one on there.


So they removed the R/T emblems and put the stripe right over the holes ? Or did bodywork over them ?

Most didn't get the R/T badge (or the holes) , but have heard some have holes that are filled by creative.
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66FBCharger

I am surprised that only 7% had the V88 stripe delete option. I would have guessed it was more.
Did the V88 option automatically give you the R/T badges on the rear quarters? Could you get an R/T without the stripe and without the R/T badge to make a "sleeper"?
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Ghoste

V88 automatically got the badge but if you wanted niether you had to remove the badge yourself.

Challenger340

Only wimps wear Bowties !

tcs69rt



My stripe delete, automatic RT.....needs a red tail stripe, IMO.  :2thumbs:
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69 OUR/TEA

I love stripes on all other colors , except black , no stripe all the way !!!!!! I'm glad mine is a V88 , if it wasn't , I'd probably have put it that way during resto .

68pplcharger

Quote from: 69 OUR/TEA on September 25, 2015, 01:26:55 PM
I love stripes on all other colors , except black , no stripe all the way !!!!!! I'm glad mine is a V88 , if it wasn't , I'd probably have put it that way during resto .

:iagree:

Black is a no stripe scenario, all others look to sweet with the stripe... Although a ghost stripe on black would be trick...  :scratchchin:

Ghoste

I respectfully do not concur.  :icon_smile_big:

68pplcharger

Quote from: Ghoste on September 25, 2015, 01:56:54 PM
I respectfully do not concur.  :icon_smile_big:

Looks pretty cool to me... Triple black is hard to top though   :nana:

Ghoste

LOL, I'm still going to disagree though.  :lol:

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Quote from: Challenger340 on September 25, 2015, 10:52:19 AM






My that is a breath taking ride  Kudos sir :cheers:

FWIW mine was also a V88 R/T car originally....
Chris' '69 Charger R/T


Ghoste

Breathtaking.  Yes, I like that and its exactly what that car is Chris, good word choice.  :2thumbs:

TPR

Quote from: Just 6T9 CHGR on September 26, 2015, 09:00:17 AM
Quote from: Challenger340 on September 25, 2015, 10:52:19 AM






My that is a breath taking ride  Kudos sir :cheers:

FWIW mine was also a V88 R/T car originally....

You beat me to it. That is perfection right there.
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tan top

Quote from: 69 OUR/TEA on September 24, 2015, 03:12:53 PM
Quote from: Challenger340 on September 24, 2015, 01:03:17 PM
I wonder how many X9 Black, R/T SE, with V88 there were/are ?

I've seen lots of X9 Black R/T's with Stripe.... or V88
But so far I haven't run across another Black, R/T with SE and V88 ?

I guess a guy will just never know ?

How's that '69 registry coming Ghoste ? my apologies, you are probably sick and tired of people asking.



I know of 2 members here that have them that way , myself and friend/member "RT/SE" has one as well . Both are triple black 69 R/T SE's , V88 . His is a 4 speed , PW , PDB car . Mine is picture of tag . His is the other (before resto).



long story short  :P   found this car advertised forsale on a Canadian site   ,  sometime ago  ,    the pictures of it , were obviously at the current owners property etc . well thought it odd , it  had shaved door handles !  :brickwall:   :o   nother black R/T SE with  door handles alterations  :o, , was going to post it in another thread , but like I idiot forgot to short cut a link at the time  , &  did not show up in browsing history  :shruggy:

well   found it on youtube  , looks like a dealer is selling it now  , nothing on their web site though  , would like to see the fendertag  ,looks like a early build , no headrests !


who would of thought !  two black 69 charger R/T SE 's with door handle mods  ::) :brickwall:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJPFP-xvWcY





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Quote from: Ghoste on September 25, 2015, 01:56:54 PM
I respectfully do not concur.  :icon_smile_big:

As a HUGE fan of both the stripe and the V88 emblem, has anybody else bucked the norm and done both? I've been seriously considering it myself. Enough so that I bought the emblems (but haven't drilled any holes yet).
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Quote from: tan top on October 27, 2015, 07:39:59 AM
Quote from: 69 OUR/TEA on September 24, 2015, 03:12:53 PM
Quote from: Challenger340 on September 24, 2015, 01:03:17 PM
I wonder how many X9 Black, R/T SE, with V88 there were/are ?

I've seen lots of X9 Black R/T's with Stripe.... or V88
But so far I haven't run across another Black, R/T with SE and V88 ?

I guess a guy will just never know ?

How's that '69 registry coming Ghoste ? my apologies, you are probably sick and tired of people asking.



I know of 2 members here that have them that way , myself and friend/member "RT/SE" has one as well . Both are triple black 69 R/T SE's , V88 . His is a 4 speed , PW , PDB car . Mine is picture of tag . His is the other (before resto).



long story short  :P   found this car advertised forsale on a Canadian site   ,  sometime ago  ,    the pictures of it , were obviously at the current owners property etc . well thought it odd , it  had shaved door handles !  :brickwall:   :o   nother black R/T SE with  door handles alterations  :o, , was going to post it in another thread , but like I idiot forgot to short cut a link at the time  , &  did not show up in browsing history  :shruggy:

well   found it on youtube  , looks like a dealer is selling it now  , nothing on their web site though  , would like to see the fendertag  ,looks like a early build , no headrests !


who would of thought !  two black 69 charger R/T SE 's with door handle mods  ::) :brickwall:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJPFP-xvWcY








its on their site now  , or it was before & I did not see it  :slap:


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XS29LA47V21

Quote from: Ghoste on September 24, 2015, 08:27:52 PM
Just doing a quickie on what I have in the registry right now it looks to be around 7% with V88.  I need to break it down some more to get closer and then spend some time sorting through the SE cars.

So that is 7% of registered cars? is that what your saying?  If wagging and saying less than one in 10 (<10%) that feels good in my looking over the yrs (back into the late 80s...ugh starting to feel like an older young man... :pity:), anyway stay on topic... my guess is worth "0" but feel V88 living on a 69RTSEs is maybe even 5% or a little lower is my guess fwiw. :scratchchin:

I like V88 because they are rare for sure and odd option.  I do not dislike one of mine any less because it is burdened with a white stripe.   :hah: :shruggy:


cbrestorations

what about stripe delete on the 68's

Ghoste

Quote from: XS29LA47V21 on October 29, 2015, 09:14:47 PM
Quote from: Ghoste on September 24, 2015, 08:27:52 PM
Just doing a quickie on what I have in the registry right now it looks to be around 7% with V88.  I need to break it down some more to get closer and then spend some time sorting through the SE cars.

So that is 7% of registered cars? is that what your saying?


Yes, registered cars are what I am going by.  I kind of hate doing the statistic thing because its so easy to twist those numbers in a variety of ways.  If every single 69 Charger built was in the registry then the percentages begin to mean something but all they are is a snapshot.  You can assume but you cannot possibly know for a fact.
(so register those 69's and we'll keep compiling it  ;) )

XS29LA47V21

 :shruggy:  I hear you and understand your position, it is just fun to surmise, speculate, wonder and never really know.  :rotz:

We can talk about "survival rate" is it higher on more rare cars, lol.  I tend to want to think so fwiw, but maybe not much.   :rofl:


Ghoste

I agree 100% and love doing the extrapolate and surmise thing, I just hate when someone misunderstands and takes it as hard fact.  You see it all the time with Galen's registry, he may tell someone their car is one of four that HE KNOWS of but try and convince the guy holding that precious info he paid for that there may be hundreds more exactly like his.

68pplcharger

Quote from: Ghoste on November 04, 2015, 08:18:06 AM
I agree 100% and love doing the extrapolate and surmise thing, I just hate when someone misunderstands and takes it as hard fact.  You see it all the time with Galen's registry, he may tell someone there car is one of four that HE KNOWS of but try and convince the guy holding that precious info he paid for that there may be hundreds more exactly like his.

:iagree:

crj1968

Quote from: 68pplcharger on September 25, 2015, 01:34:19 PM



Black is a no stripe scenario, all others look to sweet with the stripe... Although a ghost stripe on black would be trick...  :scratchchin:

I toyed with that idea on my last 70.


Sorry for the hijack-

Some beautiful cars in this thread!   :drool5:

Ghoste

No hijack.  It would have looked good with that.

68pplcharger

Quote from: crj1968 on November 05, 2015, 12:08:28 PM
Quote from: 68pplcharger on September 25, 2015, 01:34:19 PM



Black is a no stripe scenario, all others look to sweet with the stripe... Although a ghost stripe on black would be trick...  :scratchchin:

I toyed with that idea on my last 70.


Sorry for the hijack-

Some beautiful cars in this thread!   :drool5:


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