Charger or challenger? Update!

[Tmb84]

Stupid question maybe, but i have an 70' charger 383 auto. Survivor.

Want one more! I now know about two decent cars, one 68 charger 383 4spd, number matching. 1 of 259!
Posted a picture of it before. The body is good but engine need some work soon. Blue smoke when revving..
It cost 35000$

The other is a 70' challenger 383 2bbl auto. Now with 496 stroker! Looking good.
http://www.finn.no/finn/car/used/object?finnkode=64300925&searchclickthrough=true

Challenger cost 32000$

[1974dodgecharger]

blue smoke revving is never good 

[303 Mopar]

You already have B Body, go for the E Body!

[Troy]

Love Challengers - but not that one. No way that car would be worth $32,000 here - but I know they're harder to come by over there.

And who doesn't love a 4-speed 68 Charger?

Troy

[Daytona R/T SE]

That Challenger sucks.

[303 Mopar]

There are way nicer Challengers for sale for that price.  Check out Cuda-Challenger.com.

[Troy]

If he buys one in the US he has to get it shipped (to a port, over the ocean, to home) and pay import duties. So figure several thousand dollars on top of the purchase price.

Troy

[Tmb84]

Yeah, i know its not the nicest challenger, but its a original big block car and looks ok.
Not often to see mopars with strokers under 40000$ around here.

I would mount a shaker hood and a T/A spoiler at the rear. I think it would help alot!

Gonna look at it tomorrow.

[Daytona R/T SE]

Yeah, i know its not the nicest challenger, but its a original big block car and looks ok.
Not often to see mopars with strokers under 40000$ around here.

I would mount a shaker hood and a T/A spoiler at the rear. I think it would help alot!

Gonna look at it tomorrow.

Are those fiberglass bumpers?

They don't fit well at all.

What's a complete shaker hood set up cost ? $5,000-$6,000 ?

[tan top]

go for the 68 charger !!   ,  blue smoke when reving   , prolly worn bores & or rings      may even be the valley tray not sealed up properly 

  in any case  no biggie , just get the motor rebuilt  ,   million time quicker than doing any kind on resto !   alternatively  , get a stroker 400 motor built   & dress it up to look like a stock 383     & keep the # matching motor in a safe place 

[6spd68]

My big question would be; do you think you can get 35K for that Challenger in a pinch?  Say something happened, and you had to move it quickly; would you get your cash back?

For those reasons, I'm more Charger inclined...  Not to mention, this is the Charger forum 

[RallyeMike]

Stupid question maybe

The answer is obviously, C) Roadrunner.

[6spd68]

Stupid question maybe

The answer is obviously, C) Roadrunner.

Sorry to double post ...  But...    

[Tmb84]

Shaker hood kit cost 2600$
It would be fun to have a street legal racer that keeping those mustang smallblock strokers in the dust 

[XH29N0G]

I would go with your instincts.  If you are buying this to enjoy.  Choose the one you think you will enjoy more and then don't look back.  If it is for a different reason, choose accordingly.  

[DeltaV]

The Charger.

[Tmb84]

Car is restored in 2009, no rust or bubbles.. But the doors dont match correctly. I have seen that on many challengers!

The engine is insane! 632hp 660lbft. Rear axle is uppgraded and perhaps 100% locker. Tranny is also uppgraded and got 3200rpm stall. Ok to drive, but 3" exhaust and realy open mufflers its noisy as hell!

[Tmb84]

I ended up with the e-body. Pick it up tomorrow.. Thanks for inputs folks.
Im not gonna start a thread since it a e-body, but gonna post some pictures here. 

[303 Mopar]

I ended up with the e-body. Pick it up tomorrow.. Thanks for inputs folks.
Im not gonna start a thread since it a e-body, but gonna post some pictures here. 

Go introduce yourself over at cuda-challenger.com and post pics over there.  Its a great site with many helpful folks like here!

[LUMI]

i was looking for a E body too
but did not find one her in Finland that woud fit my budget
so i bought -68 SS 548CID Camaro with 5 speed Tremec
763HP and 701lbft 

[Tmb84]

Some engine info if someone interested..

383 block, bored 0,60. 496 stroker kit, not sure what manufacture.
Edelbrock performer heads, 88cc chamber.
Comp cam, Xr286r mechanical roller
Stainless tube race headers
Holley dp 900cfm
11,5 compression.
3" exhaust
Holley electric fuel pump
Fuelcell and battery in trunk
Aluminium radiator, electric fan
Electric water pump
MSD pro billet ignition

632hp 5500rpm/ 660lbft 4000rpm

Gearbox: unknown, shifts hard on low rpms. Hurst promatic2 shifter.
Diff: 100% locker

[cavemanno1]

Stupid question maybe, but i have an 70' charger 383 auto. Survivor.

Want one more! I now know about two decent cars, one 68 charger 383 4spd, number matching. 1 of 259!
Posted a picture of it before. The body is good but engine need some work soon. Blue smoke when revving..
It cost 35000$

The other is a 70' challenger 383 2bbl auto. Now with 496 stroker! Looking good.
http://www.finn.no/finn/car/used/object?finnkode=64300925&searchclickthrough=true

Challenger cost 32000$

Is it just me that thinks that '68 charger was a bit overpriced or is it a good deal in Finland?
By the way congrats on your challenger,post some pictures of her as well!

[Tmb84]

I paid 30000$ for the challenger by the way.
The owner of the charger wanted 37500$ at first!

[Ghoste]

Those are some respectable numbers.

[Challenger340]

Some engine info if someone interested..

383 block, bored 0,60. 496 stroker kit, not sure what manufacture.
Edelbrock performer heads, 88cc chamber.
Comp cam, Xr286r mechanical roller
Stainless tube race headers
Holley dp 900cfm
11,5 compression.
3" exhaust
Holley electric fuel pump
Fuelcell and battery in trunk
Aluminium radiator, electric fan
Electric water pump
MSD pro billet ignition

632hp 5500rpm/ 660lbft 4000rpm

Gearbox: unknown, shifts hard on low rpms. Hurst promatic2 shifter.
Diff: 100% locker

Nice Power, BUT

just curious, is that an actual Engine Dyno Sheet ? from an actual Engine Dyno Session ?
or,
a computer program generated "simulation", or "prediction" ?

I have to ask because you started the run, loading the engine down at 2,000 rpm ?
and,
ran it to 11,000 ? rpm
just me....
but I ain't ever seen anybody do THAT on a real life actual Engine Dyno ? 
At least not without..... Connecting Rods pieces laying around everywhere ?

[F8-4life]

Charger no question. You have to keep in mind a good body is much more valuable then a built engine, especially if the body is 1 of 259.
A '68 4 speed 383 charger does not present itself everyday, and it's a much better looking car imo.
Sorry didn't read the whole post to see you bought the chally already. I still vote charger.

[1974dodgecharger]

Charger no question. You have to keep in mind a good body is much more valuable then a built engine, especially if the body is 1 of 259.
A '68 4 speed 383 charger does not present itself everyday, and it's a much better looking car imo.
Sorry didn't read the whole post to see you bought the chally already. I still vote charger.

I see a 68 with 383 everyday....

[Challenger340]

Those are some respectable numbers.

I think those are "predictions" numbers based off a computer generated simulation ?
I could be wrong here but....
I can't see loading a 600+ hp engine anywhere even close down to @ 2000 rpm... it would be extremely difficult on the Connecting Rods ?
not to mention...
running it to 11,000 rpm up top ? also somewhat "hard" on internals ?

[1974dodgecharger]

Those are some respectable numbers.

I think those are "predictions" numbers based off a computer generated simulation ?
I could be wrong here but....
I can't see loading a 600+ hp engine anywhere even close down to @ 2000 rpm... it would be extremely difficult on the Connecting Rods ?
not to mention...
running it to 11,000 rpm up top ? also somewhat "hard" on internals ?

computer generated means perfect environment for that engine, cool air, all things working in sync, but in reality even on a dyno or on the street very few people put down 500HP to wheels...you can have a 800HP engine only put down 500HP on dyno even after the engine dynode 800HP before putting into car, hey its nice to say, 'my engine SHOULD have 700HP then in reality its only 300HP' lmao...
https://youtu.be/h2NLbuZyv4E?list=PLaAWXLtSQ0fvawE6ofRI9fPqY0C4Hapwp

[Tmb84]

Im not sure what kind of dyno this is and i also think 10000rpms is a bit rough!
It says flywheel output.

There is another paper also where it listing some figures about cam lift, valve lift, pressure...etc
A mopar man gonna take a look at it tomorrow. He have built many strokers/indys. Looking forward to hear what he think about it

[1974dodgecharger]

10k rpms he built you a motorcycle engine.....

[Tmb84]

I found some street legal drag results from 2013. 0-201m-1/8mile= 7,8 sec / 96,5mph
Not bad

[Ghoste]

It could be metric rpm.  

(still a good number)

[Challenger340]

Im not sure what kind of dyno this is and i also think 10000rpms is a bit rough!
It says flywheel output.

There is another paper also where it listing some figures about cam lift, valve lift, pressure...etc
A mopar man gonna take a look at it tomorrow. He have built many strokers/indys. Looking forward to hear what he think about it

Look at the graph.... the simulation runs to 11,000 rpm, NOT 10K,
which IMO,
is not a "little rough"..... but rather would be PUKING Connecting Rods all over the Dyno room floor if it could get there... which it would NOT get "there" anyways, because,
the valve springs would be floating well below.

NOT knocking your Engine... NOT at all....
just sayín.....
the Sheet is only a "simulation", in which case, an actual "mph" recorded at the end of a 1/4 mile run at a track is more accurate.

[Tmb84]

A mopar man have tested it and he liked it. He have built lots of big blocks last 30 years.. He also think the engine got 600 hp.

The most fun is driving at 40mph in 2nd gear and hit the pedal, the 255 cobras just dont have a chance  

Found some more info about the engine, bore: 4.280, stroke: 4.400, cyl volume 1037.36cc, volume: 506.4ci
Compression 11.5, using 98 octane gas

[Tmb84]

end of season 

[472 R/T SE]

That's a nice lookin' stable you have there. 

So what are your plans to personalize the Chally? 

[Tmb84]

Thanks. The challenger feels like a race car to drive.. No powersteering, real noisy, and scary to drive..
So i want to make a Transam clone of it. Put some vintage decals on it and a T/A scoop, rear spoiler and maybe black steelies.

[Tmb84]

Last spin before winter..

[472 R/T SE]

NIce.

I like everything about the Trans Am cars except the exhaust.  I understand the reasoning, I just like the looks of how the tips go through the valance.   

[Ghoste]

I've gone back and forth on the side exhaust thing over the years.  I find lately I like them again but I totally get what you're saying.

[Tmb84]

talked to man who built and restored the car. sorry for the english..

the car is a matching number car, engine and gear. repainted in original color, go mango.
383 with 496 stroker kit from 440 source, bored 0,30. needed some cylinder work to clear the rod bolts.
the gearbox is built to last forever.. the rear end is detroit truetrack locker.

the whole car is dipped in acid bath and probably rust free all over.

[Tmb84]

did some tune up and dyno runs on the Challenger today, first run 577hp 909nm, after some tuning the 383/496 stroker got 616hp 976nm.

Very happy with this, its a torque monster