Tragedy as two reporters are gunned down.

[Cncguy]

I'm almost speechless on the events that transpired today. As a gun owner myself I'm extremely bothered by what happened here, almost to the point I want to give up my guns. The only reasoning I have with myself to keep my guns is all the criminals out there that do have guns. Even if we collectively agree to ban firearms in The U.S. The criminals will still have them. So How do we move forward? How do we play the game so that everybody lives?
The world is falling apart quicker everyday.

[el dub]

So How do we move forward? How do we play the game so that everybody lives?

Carry a gun. Be a game changer. I don't care about everybody living. Just the good ones. Same with the deal, "Black lives matter.''  eff that. White lives matter to me, and a whole bunch of other people also. That's a black racist remark. 

[draftingmonkey]

If some whack job looking for their 15 minutes of fame wants to kill, the gun is just a tool. Without it he could have used an axe, hammer, baseball bat, tire iron, machete, etc. Plenty of folks killed every year by these other devices. Where there is the will to kill, there will be a way to kill; no matter what restriction on the tools used are in place.

[Indygenerallee]

This guy was a loon, previously employed news anchor at the same station that said everyone made fun of him because he was a gay black man and that after the church shooting he was "told" by a higher power to carry out the shooting!!

[ws23rt]

This guy was a loon, previously employed news anchor at the same station that said everyone made fun of him because he was a gay black man and that after the church shooting he was "told" by a higher power to carry out the shooting!!

I see this as a good example of what we should fear.  Whenever something like this happens the news of it hits millions. It's freaky and somehow feels like the rest of us just skated by because we lived through it.

The loon's, the mentally sick, and the brain washed beheaders are in the news so much that it seems we are overrun with them.  The truth is they have been a part of our world for as long as we have been able to grab something to strike with.

In the not distant past (in this country) those that were a risk to themselves and others were recognized and either treated or confined for the safety of themselves as well as the public. Today most of the facilities that cared for them have been closed and the risky sort that used to be under some sort of observation now live with the rest of us.  What we do (by letting them free) is ask them if they are ok and will not harm others.

It is not politically correct to identify or suspect someone of being anything other than the good guy next door.  They need to prove their hazardous self to be recognized for who they are.  The only upside is they are few in numbers.  IMO that is not a good upside.

[JB400]

Honestly, I think they should quit publicly announcing events like this.  All it does, is give other loonies ideas.  That, and quit telling the name of the idiot that does it.  They're not celebrities.

[Mike DC]

It's the per-capita problem with news.  We get the false impression that things are getting worse than they really are. 

[ws23rt]

Honestly, I think they should quit publicly announcing events like this.  All it does, is give other loonies ideas.  That, and quit telling the name of the idiot that does it.  They're not celebrities.

I agree  But sadly the biggest news is the most shocking news.  The result of having instant access to the most shocking stuff is we are left feeling a distorted view of the big picture of the world around us.
The world may be falling down around us but it's not from random tragic situations like this.

[ws23rt]

 ---We see the same world.

[redmist]

It's the per-capita problem with news.  We get the false impression that things are getting worse than they really are. 

This exactly.


Guns are 99.9928% safe.

It's a non-issue compared to everything else out there killing folks. It's just a heart string tugger, and folks use that to tug those strings.

[c00nhunterjoe]

What will turning in your guns do to fix the problem? Its already illegal to shoot people and there are 100 times the illegal smuggled guns on the street then the legal ones. 

[Mike DC]

                  



Stop focusing on this woman taking free money.  She is a distraction.  

Star focusing on who is giving the free money to her.  It's not the poor, and it's not the middle class.

(oops, wrong thread!)

[el dub]

                 



Stop focusing on this woman taking free money.  She is a distraction. 

Star focusing on who is giving the free money to her.  It's not the poor, and it's not the middle class.

Huh. What woman are you talking about. 

[myk]

It's the per-capita problem with news.  We get the false impression that things are getting worse than they really are. 

This exactly.


Guns are 99.9928% safe.

It's a non-issue compared to everything else out there killing folks. It's just a heart string tugger, and folks use that to tug those strings.

Like I used to say when I crashed anti-gun rallies, guns don't kill nearly as many people as cars and drunk driving do.  As a matter of fact, based on the FBI's stats in 2011 you're more likely to be killed by medical malpractice than ANY kind of firearm.  Shall we ban cars and doctors first?  I mean, it would be the smart thing to do, right?  Going down the list of killers from most to least lethal?

[c00nhunterjoe]

Im still trying to figure how how turning in my guns will keep a criminal from shooting me.

[el dub]

First you turn all your guns in>Everybody turns them in. Then the criminals steal all the guns that everyone turned in. They make so much money selling them that they decide to invest in the stock market. Then they really make a fortune cause everyone knows criminals are smart. And Poof they become legitimate businessmen and don't bother to kill anyone anymore. Ta Da, that's it.

[Charger-Bodie]

More like the government will sell them to the criminal. The other criminals that is.

[myk]

Im still trying to figure how how turning in my guns will keep a criminal from shooting me.

It won't, but many people including close friends of mine believe that it is morally superior to be victimized and brutalized by a criminal than it is to defend yourself with a firearm.  No joke...

[John_Kunkel]

The irony is, a guy who was part of the media was encouraged to action by media coverage of previous mass shootings. 

[redmist]

The irony is, a guy who was part of the media was encouraged to action by media coverage of previous mass shootings. 

Here's a great example I like to use to get the point across to some folks.

We can all agree that Child Pornography is bad, and it has a lasting affect on lives correct? We can all agree that the majority of Child Porn is shot with cameras correct? We can all agree that if we regulated cameras with back ground checks, and prevented pedo's from getting cameras that it would prevent them from making child porn correct??? No! we can't agree on that, because you know damn well it would not change a thing. It's also amazingly silly to even consider regulating cameras.

We also don't regulate how many child porn images these cameras can shoot at a time either.

People bring up the regulation of free speech in the comparison of child pornography, but fail to mention the tool used as a regulatory item.

Just something to think about.

[451-74Charger]

One of our Anchors posted this:

Tanya O'Rourke WCPO

WHAT I KNOW.... Photographers at TV stations are the brawn, the backbone, the unsung heroes, the boy scouts(and girl scouts) who always have a pen to lend you, a notebook (because the reporter will forget one), an umbrella and the skills to make you look good (or bad) on TV.
Reporters have guts. They are the ones who have to knock on a grieving mother's door, ask the hard question, stand outside in freezing, wet, hot, windy or humid conditions and try (TRY) to not only look good but disseminate information to you.
I know there are good photographers and reporters. I know there are bad ones. I know there are ones you at home like, don't like, don't really care about, can't remember their names, never knew their names and never will.
I know that in newsrooms, we argue, fight, laugh, joke and jam to get you the latest information. We are like family. LIke a big, opinionated, happy, goofy, family.
And I know that when something like this shooting in VIrginia happens it doesn't just happen to the people who were shot. It happens to the people at the station too. The people you never hear about. The producer in the booth who was talking to her fiance (who happened to be the photographer) as he was shot to death. The director who was calling which cameras to take, which graphics to put in or not put in, he or she surely sat in stunned silence. They watched in horror as someone in their family was gunned down on TV.
To make matters worse, it seems someone ousted from that tight-knit clan pulled the trigger. Over and over.
I know I've had nightmares that I am reading a "breaking news" script -- one I didn't get to pre-read and it's about one of my loved ones.
That's what this was, folks. My nightmare happened to someone else. That anchor who had to... what? Recover from that? Find the words to explain what had just happened? I can't imagine. I just can't.
I know this is just starting to unfold and that someone, clearly, lost their mind to shoot former colleagues to death on TV. I know that person desperately wanted attention for whatever it is he needed to say to the world. I know this is indescribably sad.
I know my heart hurts for those people who lost their lives, their friends and family.... and for their extended family at work. That family that works crazy hours, holidays together. I don't know when the pain stops. But I know you have each other to lean on.
WCPO - 9 On Your Side

If you dig back into our past, it brings up memories for several that work here.

Gunman takes control of WCPO

On the early morning of October 15, 1980, WCPO and most of its news staff became part of a major news story when James Hoskins, armed with a 9mm J&R M68 semi-automatic rifle and five revolvers, seized control of WCPO's newsroom.[5] Hoskins held reporter Elaine Green and her cameraman at gunpoint in the parking lot of WCPO's studios. He then forced his way into the newsroom and took seven more hostages.

A self-described terrorist, Hoskins stated in a videotaped interview with Green that he had, among other things, murdered his girlfriend before arriving at the studios. After voicing his displeasure with local government, Hoskins ended by saying that he would let his hostages go, but only after they helped him to barricade himself in their newsroom in anticipation of a shootout with police. Green and the others pleaded with Hoskins to get help, but to no avail. WCPO's news staff ran special newscasts from the parking lot throughout that morning. Hoskins eventually let all the hostages go, and the standoff ended later that morning when Hoskins shot himself dead while on the phone with SWAT negotiators.

[skip68]

You can try and ban anything you want.   IT WILL FAIL AND YOU ARE A FAILURE IN THINKING IT WILL WORK AND TRYING IT.   
The biggest problem that can never be banned or taken away from man is FREE WILL.   I like the camera analogy.  Excellent point.   

[ws23rt]

Im still trying to figure how how turning in my guns will keep a criminal from shooting me.

It won't, but many people including close friends of mine believe that it is morally superior to be victimized and brutalized by a criminal than it is to defend yourself with a firearm.  No joke...

myk-- You have pointed out an important aspect about crazy/sick folks that we live with in this world.

Those that would just sit down and allow themselves to be slaughtered because to potentially bring violence in self defense is felt to be a better way are a threat to us all.  They tend to speak loudly and try to recruit others to die with them.

Is this somehow a natural way for the culling of the population?    Their are many examples of masses just standing and accepting death.

Has something gone wrong with the instinct to fight to survive??

[Lord Warlock]

I'm willing to accept the excuse that this guy was nuts, was nuts 2 years ago and had no place on tv.  How is this any different than the kid in S Carolina? except the fact of race, they were both nuts and needing treatment and should never have been able to get a weapon in the first place.  Anyone that uses one nut to justify repeating the same sequence as a new nut needs to be put away, I've got some good anti depressants that will fix them up.

What flag do white people get to force the black people to take down?  This perp was a racist, wanting to start a race war, just like the other loon did, and we lost our battle flag online, now we need equality in action and results.  It isn't fair that one crime deserves national outcry and the other gets swept under the radar.  All lives matter, not just a small percentage of the population.

It pisses me off that within minutes after a shooting crime, the democrats are all trying to restrict guns to reduce gun crime, it wasn't the gun that was dangerous, it was the crazy fu*ker that decided to emulate other crazies.

[Steve P.]

I could not care any less if all of you own 1000 guns. It's your choice. I hope you enjoy them. Just like we enjoy our cars. Of course not everyone likes our cars. That is their choice.. The funny thing is this, while everyone tries to put an analogy to work and they are all bad. We can use a car to kill someone or stab them with a knife or throw them off a cliff. But it doesn't matter what you think is a good analogy because with almost everything else people have a chance to fight back or get away.  I've been hit in my car by two cars and  dump truck. Still alive. I got my ass kicked by 6 cops. Still alive. I have never choked on a spoon or done any damage to myself with a spoon. I was sliced in a bad once. Still alive. I even lived through me being on fire and being blown off a roof!! Still alive!!!!! Some of those things I didn't have any choice in and the fact is, I am military trained and I cannot remember any classes or lessons on using a spoon, car or a camera to kill anyone.. All the training I receiver was using guns..

Hmmmm, I wonder why....   

Also, I would like to add that I have NEVER HEARD OF ANYONE TAKING AWAY YOUR GUNS..
Well, other than FOX NEWS.. And I still haven't heard them ever tell the truth about anything!!

[Mike DC]

Well, obviously, it's time to abolish this divisive & inflammatory "TV news" crap. 

It's bad for the culture.  Those who support it are just troublemakers behind closed doors and this is how they excuse it.  After generations of putting up with this stuff the people who support it just need to grow up. 

TV news is a leftover from a more primitive era and its time has passed.

[Steve P.]

Like everything else, it boils down to GREED.

[el dub]

I could not care any less if all of you own 1000 guns. It's your choice. I hope you enjoy them. Just like we enjoy our cars. Of course not everyone likes our cars. That is their choice.. The funny thing is this, while everyone tries to put an analogy to work and they are all bad. We can use a car to kill someone or stab them with a knife or throw them off a cliff. But it doesn't matter what you think is a good analogy because with almost everything else people have a chance to fight back or get away.  I've been hit in my car by two cars and  dump truck. Still alive. I got my ass kicked by 6 cops. Still alive. I have never choked on a spoon or done any damage to myself with a spoon. I was sliced in a bad once. Still alive. I even lived through me being on fire and being blown off a roof!! Still alive!!!!! Some of those things I didn't have any choice in and the fact is, I am military trained and I cannot remember any classes or lessons on using a spoon, car or a camera to kill anyone.. All the training I receiver was using guns..

Hmmmm, I wonder why....  

Also, I would like to add that I have NEVER HEARD OF ANYONE TAKING AWAY YOUR GUNS..
Well, other than FOX NEWS.. And I still haven't heard them ever tell the truth about anything!!

So.... It's fox news that you watch? I don't watch tv unless something big happens somewhere. New is not news anymore, it is a business to control the populace.
Same with regular tv.
By the way, happy birthday, even if you banned my once. I get excited sometimes. 

[ACUDANUT]

So why was this not a HATE crime ? Because white people died ? If it was the other way around it would be. 

[Lord Warlock]

yes it was a hate crime.  No they won't prosecute as such...probably because he killed himself and we don't have to now. But no one will be ranting about race in this case.  And maybe this guys life didn't matter afterall. 

I watch lots of news on tv, including fox, AND CNN and local, I have given up on MSNBC.  Everyone sensationalizes anything they can report, local news tends to be less so I put more weight into what they say  than national news.  National news tends to gravitate toward what large groups in select areas want to hear.  I enjoy fox only because for years we only had cnn or msnbc and no one stood up for republicans, which I relate most toward even if I am an independent conservative...because there is no conservative representation outside of fox news.  At least fox always has someone from both sides in on the discussion, the other two pack the panel with one side so they can agree with each other.

Fox did damage to themselves on the first debate, showing that they were not backing trump even though the election just started.  I also don't count asking one person a question a debate.  Debates have changed since Reagan was in office.  Reagan made me want to be a republican (was a democrat at the time) got disgusted with republicans and democrats and went independent, but that isolates me so I can't vote in primaries, makes me a bystander stuck with either sides choice.  We need a 3rd party for moderates in both parties to join.  Both parties now are extremes one side or the other.

Local news is more important now than it was before, my days in affecting policy of the country are probably over by now.

[Chargerguy74]

I could not care any less if all of you own 1000 guns. It's your choice. I hope you enjoy them. Just like we enjoy our cars. Of course not everyone likes our cars. That is their choice.. The funny thing is this, while everyone tries to put an analogy to work and they are all bad. We can use a car to kill someone or stab them with a knife or throw them off a cliff. But it doesn't matter what you think is a good analogy because with almost everything else people have a chance to fight back or get away.  I've been hit in my car by two cars and  dump truck. Still alive. I got my ass kicked by 6 cops. Still alive. I have never choked on a spoon or done any damage to myself with a spoon. I was sliced in a bad once. Still alive. I even lived through me being on fire and being blown off a roof!! Still alive!!!!! Some of those things I didn't have any choice in and the fact is, I am military trained and I cannot remember any classes or lessons on using a spoon, car or a camera to kill anyone.. All the training I receiver was using guns..

Hmmmm, I wonder why....   

Also, I would like to add that I have NEVER HEARD OF ANYONE TAKING AWAY YOUR GUNS..
Well, other than FOX NEWS.. And I still haven't heard them ever tell the truth about anything!!

I've been shot once. Still alive.

[ITSA426]

I don't often post in these sort of topics but in this case, like many others, the family survivors are calling on people to work for responsible gun laws.  I've never seen anybody who suffers this kind of loss call for more armament on the streets.

[Lord Warlock]

Also, I would like to add that I have NEVER HEARD OF ANYONE TAKING AWAY YOUR GUNS..

After every incident where someone involved had a gun, it is instantly pounced on to either
1. add new laws against guns,
2. to make guns illegal-as they are in New York, Detroit and other large cities,
3. to eliminate the choice of gun buyers so they cannot obtain Automatic weapons, magazines of larger than 5 shots,
4. to identify names and locations of gun owners and where they live.
5. or try with every power they have to eliminate guns from the hands of private owners despite the fact that criminals would still have theirs, and then what would crime rates do? 

The last 6 years we've got to see what happens if only criminals had guns, crime is increasing in every major city, there are riots whenever a minority is shot, regardless of whether they instigated the gun play or not, and only non violent crime has gone down.  Terror attacks have multiplied 10 fold from the previous President, the world is on edge, the middle east is a mess, worse now than it was in the 70s, and our long term enemies are still our enemies only now there are new ones with nukes we didn't worry about 40 years ago.

We HAVE responsible gun laws, we just need to follow them and allow more involved background checks, with automatic flags if a prospective owner has ever been treated, or dispensed to ex mental patients.  Personal privacy should only go so far, if you can ever become a risk to the general population, certain applications should do checks against medical background.

I say this as I sit with a bottle of anti depressants at my side...that I choose not to take.  And yes I do have a gun, I got it 30 years ago, and have never been irresponsible with it yet.  But I can see how it should be different if I chose to get a new one, or a crap load of ammo.  I do not believe private owners need automatic weapons, but there should be no restriction on handguns as long as they cannot be converted to auto....a policy and law that is already on the books and should be enforced better.

Only thing I worry about is if someone tries to steal or trash either of my flags on the front of my house, I can see shooting someone that trespasses on my property with intent to do harm to my property. 

[el dub]

maybe a trend is starting here. In mexico in the last 10 years 370 journalists have been killed. They don't like lying reporters over there I guess.

[Mopar Nut]

 

[reworked]

Question...
what are the statistics that show anyone armed with a gun prevented this kind of shooting, or a home invasion?....even cops get shot dead all the time if a person decides to do so just curious  , this kind of thing happens to quickly for anyone to be prepared to defend themselves...I think owning a gun gives one a false sense of security 

[ACUDANUT]

http://centurylink.net/tv/3/player/vendor/CNN/player/cnn/asset/cnn-sheriffs_deputy_shot_dead_in_executionstyle_killin-cnn/source/Clips

[Charger-Bodie]

Question...
what are the statistics that show anyone armed with a gun prevented this kind of shooting, or a home invasion?....even cops get shot dead all the time if a person decides to do so just curious  , this kind of thing happens to quickly for anyone to be prepared to defend themselves...I think owning a gun gives one a false sense of security 

So it would better to not have protection? 

[BSB67]

I could not care any less if all of you own 1000 guns. It's your choice. I hope you enjoy them. Just like we enjoy our cars. Of course not everyone likes our cars. That is their choice.. The funny thing is this, while everyone tries to put an analogy to work and they are all bad. We can use a car to kill someone or stab them with a knife or throw them off a cliff. But it doesn't matter what you think is a good analogy because with almost everything else people have a chance to fight back or get away.  I've been hit in my car by two cars and  dump truck. Still alive. I got my ass kicked by 6 cops. Still alive. I have never choked on a spoon or done any damage to myself with a spoon. I was sliced in a bad once. Still alive. I even lived through me being on fire and being blown off a roof!! Still alive!!!!! Some of those things I didn't have any choice in and the fact is, I am military trained and I cannot remember any classes or lessons on using a spoon, car or a camera to kill anyone.. All the training I receiver was using guns..

Hmmmm, I wonder why....   

Also, I would like to add that I have NEVER HEARD OF ANYONE TAKING AWAY YOUR GUNS..
Well, other than FOX NEWS.. And I still haven't heard them ever tell the truth about anything!!

Interesting.

Not all gun incidents result in death.

Interesting also that your several life threatening situations, none involved a gun.

Bad people do bad things.  If we really care about fixing people killing people (if you think you can), we would work on the root cause.

[skip68]

There have been several home invasions in Vegas in recent years where the home owners lived and killed the bad guys.   When you have a family you have a responsibility that's larger than yourself.  You must protect your family regardless of your beliefs.  Home invaders don't give a shit about your beliefs on guns.     
Actually, that's NOT true.  They hope you're one on the lambs that's not going to be a threat.   A gun is just a tool in my eyes.  It's used for many things.   If some of you are against guns that's fine.   Should the day ever come when one is needed just hope that the ones coming to save you or your family can get there in time.   That may be good enough for you and that's fine, but not me.  I choose to NOT be a victim if possible.   But that's just me.   

[redmist]

I could not care any less if all of you own 1000 guns. It's your choice. I hope you enjoy them. Just like we enjoy our cars. Of course not everyone likes our cars. That is their choice.. The funny thing is this, while everyone tries to put an analogy to work and they are all bad. We can use a car to kill someone or stab them with a knife or throw them off a cliff. But it doesn't matter what you think is a good analogy because with almost everything else people have a chance to fight back or get away.  I've been hit in my car by two cars and  dump truck. Still alive. I got my ass kicked by 6 cops. Still alive. I have never choked on a spoon or done any damage to myself with a spoon. I was sliced in a bad once. Still alive. I even lived through me being on fire and being blown off a roof!! Still alive!!!!! Some of those things I didn't have any choice in and the fact is, I am military trained and I cannot remember any classes or lessons on using a spoon, car or a camera to kill anyone.. All the training I receiver was using guns..

Hmmmm, I wonder why....   

Also, I would like to add that I have NEVER HEARD OF ANYONE TAKING AWAY YOUR GUNS..
Well, other than FOX NEWS.. And I still haven't heard them ever tell the truth about anything!!

You need to open your ears sir... We have an entire government entity that has been formed for the simple purpose of taking away guns. It's called the ATF.

And the legislation that has been passed down for the sole purpose of taking away guns has been happening for a long long time.

[ws23rt]

  and cheers for speaking up.  If this is to be considered political than it could be short lived.
We do live in changing times and the basics we started with are being diluted drop by drop.  It is not by one ideology or group it is by the nature of human evolution and one generation forgets what the last one learned.

Where we are going is blindly forward with a mess of disjointed perceptions of what is basic for all of us.

It could be that we are in need of a (re)declaration of who we are as a country?---- ---

[ACUDANUT]

I could not care any less if all of you own 1000 guns. It's your choice. I hope you enjoy them. Just like we enjoy our cars. Of course not everyone likes our cars. That is their choice.. The funny thing is this, while everyone tries to put an analogy to work and they are all bad. We can use a car to kill someone or stab them with a knife or throw them off a cliff. But it doesn't matter what you think is a good analogy because with almost everything else people have a chance to fight back or get away.  I've been hit in my car by two cars and  dump truck. Still alive. I got my ass kicked by 6 cops. Still alive. I have never choked on a spoon or done any damage to myself with a spoon. I was sliced in a bad once. Still alive. I even lived through me being on fire and being blown off a roof!! Still alive!!!!! Some of those things I didn't have any choice in and the fact is, I am military trained and I cannot remember any classes or lessons on using a spoon, car or a camera to kill anyone.. All the training I receiver was using guns..

Hmmmm, I wonder why....   

Also, I would like to add that I have NEVER HEARD OF ANYONE TAKING AWAY YOUR GUNS..
Well, other than FOX NEWS.. And I still haven't heard them ever tell the truth about anything!!


You need to open your ears sir... We have an entire government entity that has been formed for the simple purpose of taking away guns. It's called the ATF.

And the legislation that has been passed down for the sole purpose of taking away guns has been happening for a long long time.

Also read about Katrina. Our Government went house to House and took away guns from law biding people.

[/b]

[ACUDANUT]

I could not care any less if all of you own 1000 guns. It's your choice. I hope you enjoy them. Just like we enjoy our cars. Of course not everyone likes our cars. That is their choice.. The funny thing is this, while everyone tries to put an analogy to work and they are all bad. We can use a car to kill someone or stab them with a knife or throw them off a cliff. But it doesn't matter what you think is a good analogy because with almost everything else people have a chance to fight back or get away.  I've been hit in my car by two cars and  dump truck. Still alive. I got my ass kicked by 6 cops. Still alive. I have never choked on a spoon or done any damage to myself with a spoon. I was sliced in a bad once. Still alive. I even lived through me being on fire and being blown off a roof!! Still alive!!!!! Some of those things I didn't have any choice in and the fact is, I am military trained and I cannot remember any classes or lessons on using a spoon, car or a camera to kill anyone.. All the training I receiver was using guns..

Hmmmm, I wonder why....   

Also, I would like to add that I have NEVER HEARD OF ANYONE TAKING AWAY YOUR GUNS..
Well, other than FOX NEWS.. And I still haven't heard them ever tell the truth about anything!!

You need to open your ears sir... We have an entire government entity that has been formed for the simple purpose of taking away guns. It's called the ATF.

And the legislation that has been passed down for the sole purpose of taking away guns has been happening for a long long time.

Also read about Katrina. Our Government went house to House and took away guns from law biding people.
[/quote]

[Lord Warlock]

Question...
what are the statistics that show anyone armed with a gun prevented this kind of shooting, or a home invasion?....even cops get shot dead all the time if a person decides to do so just curious....

The answer:  Those statistics will never be known because the left will not allow the media to hamstring their issue.  Cops get shot because they have to hesitate to give the target a chance to surrender, a good gun owning homeowner doesn't hesitate, a majority of them know that you only get the gun out if you intend to kill someone,  I remember just this week a cop was shot while they broke into the wrong house by accident, and shot the owners dog....shoot one of my dogs and I'm not hesitating, or waiting for the assailant to announce themselves, they'd be dead in less than 10 seconds.  I don't aim for arms or legs, dead center chest, and the next 7 will follow quickly if they don't go down, or i'd go for a head shot that will drop anyone.  I don't need a 2nd magazine.
I take my military training seriously, just as the statement I had to sign announcing my willingness to use deadly force when necessary.  Both my kids should be feared by trespassers.  And i'm just that unassuming neighbor next door to you.  That cuts his lawn, trims his bushes and will chat your head off, and try to get along with anyone, but my red line is my front door.  Cross if you dare.  There is a doorbell there for a reason.  

If all you do is buy a gun, and never practice with it, you can get a false sense of security.  I feel every gun owner should go to a range every 5 years or so, just to keep their powder fresh.  I did that just to keep a feel for it, and each time took a family member with me to teach them how if necessary.  Each came home with a target worth framing.  (each kid hung it in their room for a while).  The more you practice the tighter your clusters will get, or you'll get better at a further distance.  If I was more rural I would have taught them rifles.

Almost anyone can learn to shoot well enough to defend themselves just by going through 300 to 500 rounds of target practice. 

[el dub]

Anything in your house is going to be less than 10 so you don't need to practice to much. Especially with the high cost of ammo. Just get a 12 gauge and you wont kill anyone in the next room or outside

[Lord Warlock]

takes less than 3 seconds to have hands on the weapon, and dogs will both bark to give enough warning to grab and chamber the weapon. Nowadays have no one but the wife in the house with me, so can't hurt anyone else even if a shot goes through some drywall.  Not that much punch with it, but don't need it, save the high velocity stuff for outside.  Inside even something small will work just fine hollow points are for added fun, not as accurate but do more damage. I'd take a shotgun if I had one, but never was crazy about them, probably because the one I got weaned on was a 12 gauge. It hurt to shoot.

[cavemanno1]

I hope you guys know that the media is all designed to scare you to give up your rights to freedom in order to protect you!
Look all that cctv cameras in England!You can't be anywhere without someone watching you,yet when crimes happen all they can do is MAYBE identify the perpetrators and never stop the crime being commit!

When you guys turn your firearms in and then shit hits the fen,your goverment will have a much easier job to suppress you!
Don't wanna get all political but look at your new detention camps they are built recently like in Fairbanks,Alaska where they can hold 2 milllion people!
Your goverment is ready for a civil war and they have facilities like in the Mount Weather bunker where the duplicate of the Pentagon is!

Once the US dollar collapse and stop being the only currency for the oil (petrodollar) then your known way of life will stop exist!Your financial system will collapse and will be worse then is 1930!

Suddam wanted Euro for oil and not dollar,Gaddafi wanted gold for oil and not dollar!They are gone now and look all the imimgrants coming into Europe.Gaddafi was the barrier to stop them but now they have wars everywhere so milions of people flee these countries!
They are gonna kill Europe by overrunning it and these idiot politicians just welcome them!Instead of stoping these wars everywhere and help people in their own countries.

The media never tells you the whole story or what is true,they designe and select the news for to you fear the terrorist and such!
The biggest media group share holder is the biggest share holder of Goldman Sachs!

[John_Kunkel]

Well, obviously, it's time to abolish this divisive & inflammatory "TV news" crap. 

Wishful thinking but that is the problem.

A hundred years ago when some noteworthy person was shot or shot somebody it was national news (albeit not so swiftly circulated) but now even a small time shooting makes the national news instantly. Example, a shooting yesterday in a local college parking lot made CNN within hours. Why? It was near a school.

[BSB67]

Well, obviously, it's time to abolish this divisive & inflammatory "TV news" crap. 

......but now even a small time shooting makes the national news instantly.

if it supports a specific agenda.

[Mike DC]

Wishful thinking but that is the problem.

A hundred years ago when some noteworthy person was shot or shot somebody it was national news (albeit not so swiftly circulated) but now even a small time shooting makes the national news instantly. Example, a shooting yesterday in a local college parking lot made CNN within hours. Why? It was near a school.

"If it bleeds, it leads" is an age-old saying in the news business.  Anything that inspires anger or fear gets priority.  


I think the constant shooting coverage has more to do with the 24/7 news cycle than anything else.  There are never enough things to talk now.  Anything remotely negative is fish-in-a-barrel viewership.


That, and sometimes things just happen in peaks & valleys.  We're getting a lot of shootings & coverage lately.  But have we had any sex scandals lately?  Domestic terrorism?  Corporate greed outrages?  Maybe one of those issues will dominate things next year.  
             

[Davtona]

I've never seen anybody who suffers this kind of loss call for more armament on the streets.

Like everything else, it boils down to GREED.

 

[polywideblock]

its really no different to the parents of  teens killed by drunk driver or OD ing on drugs, they then make it their mission in what's left of their lives to try to make DUI  laws tougher or campaigns against drugs for the rest of their lives. it what they "have to do "  seen it how many times now   

[John_Kunkel]

That's how Kalifornia got its mandatory motorcycle helmet law. The grieving mother of a young biker (who rode like there was no tomorrow) was convinced that a helmet would have saved her kid's life and became a monomaniac. Just like gun control, she focused on an item instead of the behavior that brought about a tragedy.

[el dub]

I wonder how many other young men had their lives saved by a helmet. I wonder how many lives have been saved by seat belts.
   Your guns are safe. Its the media that causes grief.  .
Do you think someone is going to change the second amendment?

[Mike DC]

 

Do you think someone is going to change the second amendment?

Do you think the 2nd amendment needs to be changed before we could lose gun rights?


The govt has been ignoring & disobeying the Constitution for decades.  They could start yanking more gun rights any time they want.  They don't even need a law on paper making it official.  Not anymore.  

We could take the case to the Supreme Court.  But that doesn't mean the SC will side with the Constitution.  In fact they might just ignore the case entirely (refuse to hear it) because they can.  

[el dub]

Yes, I do think that. And I don't think they will change the second amendment. And if they work around that their hands will be full trying to get everyones guns. Are you going to give up your guns? Me neither. I am old enough to not give a crap about the govt. They can change things around but I'm not to worried about that. I have been hearing this gun stuff for the last 30 years. I'm waiting for Trump anyway. He wont mess with the guns. All the more reason to vote for the right party.  

[Mike DC]

  
Guns aren't my big soapbox issue either.  But I worry that things are getting worse over time. 

IMO it's not remotely practical for anyone to attempt to disarm the US public on the whole.  And IMO the personal firearms we are allowed to own don't represent much political power anyway.  (We are not going to overthrow the Federal govt with a bunch of rifles & pistols.  Warfare has changed since the 1700s.)



But I do think we're facing a slippery-slope disarming over time.  The govt won't literally make guns illegal but they could make gun ownership / possession into a severe PITA & risk.  

Hypotheticals:

Gun ownership putting people on all the NSA bad-guy watch lists.  Gun ownership becoming a serious strike against a parent in a child custody hearing.  Gun possession becoming legal grounds to throw the book at someone without much probable cause.  Arresting cops being allowed to pre-emptively open fire at known gun owners before any threat is observed.  Etc.  

There are a lot of ways to make life miserable for gun owners without outright bans.  

[el dub]

 



But I do think we're facing a slippery-slope disarming over time.  The govt won't literally make guns illegal but they could make gun ownership / possession into a severe PITA & risk.  

   That is most likely true. Also hypothetically, if your seeing a shrink and getting meds from them you might be in trouble in the future.  Don't tell your shrink you have guns. It is not privileged info. He will give you up.

[John_Kunkel]

I wonder how many other young men had their lives saved by a helmet. I wonder how many lives have been saved by seat belts.

You miss the point, it's about freedom of choice or the current lack of. Monomaniacs shouldn't be driving the legislative process.

[el dub]

I wonder how many other young men had their lives saved by a helmet. I wonder how many lives have been saved by seat belts.

You miss the point, it's about freedom of choice or the current lack of. Monomaniacs shouldn't be driving the legislative process.

I get the point. But what would your solution be? 

[ws23rt]

Is it not true that a helmet law is intended for the greater good?----That greater good is presumed to be lower cost to those that don't even ride motorcycles.   Where did that cost savings come from?

For those that think it's all about our collective passion for the well being of one another I say step back a bit and add things up. Their is what we want the world to be and what the world is.

When the cost of health care becomes a social/government  issue everything we do with regard to our own personal wellbeing becomes an obligation to everyone else just by the nature of it.

If I go onto my roof to clean the moss and don't provide for myself the proper fall restraint, I could fall and incur substantial medical cost to all that pay for social medical care.

The field of restrictions for what we are allowed to do are without limit and the justification will be for the greater cost benefit of all.

I vote for the "Darwin" idea of letting things settle down.-----The real problem with stupid people is that they reproduce to frequently before their demise. -----Is this not the real social issue that needs to be addressed?

[polywideblock]

   just remove ALL warning label's for 12 months and let nature take its course 

[Mike DC]

Psychopaths do a lot more damage per capita than morons.

[el dub]

I vote for the "Darwin" idea of letting things settle down.-----The real problem with stupid people is that they reproduce to frequently before their demise. -----Is this not the real social issue that needs to be addressed?

   The real problem is education or lack thereof. The SAT's out for 2015 is the lowest in ten years. The teachers may be sub par or maybe its the schools curriculum. Or maybe its all the electronic brains that have come out in the last 10 years. Maybe throw out your tv if you have a kid over 6 years old.

[John_Kunkel]

Is it not true that a helmet law is intended for the greater good?----That greater good is presumed to be lower cost to those that don't even ride motorcycles.   Where did that cost savings come from?

I've heard that argument before...the classic scenario is one in which an uninsured un-helmeted biker crashes and the public-at-large has to pay for his hospital care. I ain't buyin' it; look at the number of routine activities that involve a certain amount of risk. Around here there's been a rash of drownings in the Sacramento River but any suggestion that swimmers be required to wear life jackets meets stiff resistance. Bikers are scum, who cares if they object but yuppie swimmers should have the freedom of choice.

It's not generally known but over half of all reported traumatic brain injuries are the result of car accidents. How do you think drivers would react if there was a suggestion to make helmet use in cars mandatory? After all, it's for the greater good.

[el dub]

Is it not true that a helmet law is intended for the greater good?----That greater good is presumed to be lower cost to those that don't even ride motorcycles.   Where did that cost savings come from?

I've heard that argument before...the classic scenario is one in which an uninsured un-helmeted biker crashes and the public-at-large has to pay for his hospital care. I ain't buyin' it; look at the number of routine activities that involve a certain amount of risk. Around here there's been a rash of drownings in the Sacramento River but any suggestion that swimmers be required to wear life jackets meets stiff resistance. Bikers are scum, who cares if they object but yuppie swimmers should have the freedom of choice.

It's not generally known but over half of all reported traumatic brain injuries are the result of car accidents. How do you think drivers would react if there was a suggestion to make helmet use in cars mandatory? After all, it's for the greater good.

What is your solution?  You want to place blame, blame insurance companies. Who are getting scammed on a regular basis. Good luck with that.

[Mike DC]

  

Insurance companies also scam their customers on a regular basis.  

[John_Kunkel]

What is your solution?

My solution? Accept the fact that s**t is gonna happen and quit playing the blame game.

[el dub]

There's too much common sense in that statement.   Out of a total of 435 U.S. Representatives and 100 Senators (535 total in Congress), lawyers comprise the biggest voting block of one type, making up 43% of Congress. Sixty percent of the U.S. Senate is lawyers.
37.2% of the House of Representatives are lawyers.
    Just a stat, on lawyers, not political. Guess who makes the laws. I think they just have to keep on coming up with new laws, kinda like a dog who pisses on the tires.

[ws23rt]

Law makers do what they do.  We don't hire law repealers.

Breaking frivolous laws is what we all do frequently.  Whether it's because we don't know about a particular law or the law is so stupid that it calls for a challenge. (What I have in mind here are laws that are intended to save us from ourselves).

If laws had a life span and came up for reevaluation.? --  Is suicide still against the law?  Are some prosecuted for an attempt? What is the max. sentence one can get for failing to be successful at suicide? -----A mandatory sentence to life ---That'll  get them law breakin bastards.

[polywideblock]

reminds me of my fathers favourite saying " rules are for fools and made to be broken "   

[cavemanno1]

As someone who just had an accident with a motorcycle two weeks ago,i have to say that the helmet probably saved my life!I have collided with a truck and i was damn lucky to walk away.However if the helmet wasn't mandatory i would still wear it since it's common sense plus those bugs flying to your face at 70mph hurt a lot!

Should it be a freedom of choice?Don't think so,it saved a lot of people's life.But giving up your rights for your weapons is an other matter!
Imagine if everyone handed in their weapons expect the criminals and they decide to rob you in your home.You would have no way to protect your family and yourself!Those guns make criminals think twice about robbing you and they still do it!
A good example i have from a South African friend who works with me.He told me his government took all the guns away from white people and now there are more murder and crime being commit against white people then ever!They have no way of protecting themself and horrific things happen to them!

Accident happens but if common sense is applied i can not see how they could happen frequently!Sure don't give a 10 year old a gun or play with it while showing off or drunk!

[John_Kunkel]

Should it be a freedom of choice? Don't think so, it saved a lot of people's life. But giving up your rights for your weapons is an other matter.

Your logic is twisted, if a helmet saves lives, confiscating all guns will save lots more lives. Freedom of choice should extend to both.

BTW, I've been down hard on three occasions without a helmet and my head is still intact so my anecdotal experience is no more/less valid than those who think a helmet saved them from serious injury.

[skip68]

Helmets are easy to control.   Even the bad bikers wear helmets because it's obvious.   The bad guys that have the guns isn't obvious and the guns are their tools for protection and crime.   Only law abiding citizens will willingly give up their guns and I'd imagine the majority of the good gun owners won't give them up.  I know I won't.   

[skip68]

Another thing, the responsible gun owners have them registered.  So the government already knows who has them.  Taking them away will just make more unregistered owners good and bad.   The good ones aren't the ones we should be concerned with. They aren't the problem.   The biggest problem with the people that believe in disarming the citizens is common sense.   THEY HAVE NONE.    I don't want to offend anyone here but if you really think that turning in our guns will end shootings and armed crime, YOU'RE AN IDIOT.   Do you have any clue whatsoever as to how big the black market is with guns?   Obviously not.   Do you understand that the black market will get bigger?  Obviously not.  We can't even rid the streets of simple drugs which the good people don't have.   How the hell can we rid the nation of guns? 
It's an impossible fantasy.   

[stripedelete]

Don't worry about your guns.   They will never take them.

Ammo?   Yep.   That's how they are going to do it.