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Anyone using offset upper control bushings ?

Started by Highbanked Hauler, August 22, 2015, 03:52:39 PM

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71 SE3834V

Quote from: myk on September 18, 2015, 01:34:13 PM
Why would someone want positive camber?

Not necessarily positive camber but less negative camber if you can't achieve the adjustment you're looking for.

Quote from: HPP on September 19, 2015, 10:16:33 AM
You're looking for positive camber. Might have to try to problem solver upper arm bushings and leave  it at that.  This is what they were originally created.

I'm assuming you're referring to my situation.
I've already taken steps to improve the situation but was reluctant to post anymore about it due to the flak I got for trying to check it out myself.
With my tape measure and squinty eye I was able to identify a couple of possible problem areas. Made an adjustment and found my car WAS able to achieve less negative camber. I don't know if the first shop I took it to was trying to achieve a certain happy medium between the camber and caster but now armed with this info I can look for a shop that can work with me to see if it can be set up right or if I need to install other parts or make other repairs to the car.
Looks better no?

71 Charger SE 383 4V
72 Galaxie 500 400 2V

Kern Dog

That picture looks right, maybe a very slight bit of NEG camber. 

c00nhunterjoe

Where do you live. I feel bad for coming across too harsh. I will line it up at no charge or at least put in on my machine to show what is wrong if it cant be aligned.  :cheers:

71 SE3834V

Quote from: Kern Dog on September 19, 2015, 05:48:18 PM
That picture looks right, maybe a very slight bit of NEG camber. 

I can achieve even less negative than where it is at now even some positive camber by my eyeball but the car starts pulling left. Obviously I don't know where the caster or toe setting is at but my goal was just to see if less negative can be achieved. At this point it doesn't look so bad that if it can't be brought up to the proper settings maybe the offset bushings would be in order.
When I get time I'll get it on a rack and go from there.
71 Charger SE 383 4V
72 Galaxie 500 400 2V

myk


HPP


myk


Highbanked Hauler

Quote from: 71 SE3834V on September 20, 2015, 12:31:10 PM
Quote from: Kern Dog on September 19, 2015, 05:48:18 PM
That picture looks right, maybe a very slight bit of NEG camber. 

I can achieve even less negative than where it is at now even some positive camber by my eyeball but the car starts pulling left. Obviously I don't know where the caster or toe setting is at but my goal was just to see if less negative can be achieved. At this point it doesn't look so bad that if it can't be brought up to the proper settings maybe the offset bushings would be in order.
When I get time I'll get it on a rack and go from there.

    Lower or raise or your  T bars a little so the upper arms are straight out and you might gain a little positive camber..
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71 SE3834V

Quote from: myk on September 22, 2015, 03:18:42 PM
How does it handle?

Sorry, was off on vacation.
Handles fine, same as always. No pulling.
I took it out on a long highway run for the first time out to Dino's. About 40 min mostly highway. The only complaint is it has some push going into the curves. Takes more turning of the s. wheel then I expected to take the curves. I know these cars weren't designed for cornering so it might be the norm. Got some pretty tall, skinny tires on it also (205/75/14). Steering box is a rebuilt stock unit. Nothing I'm concerned with. Got plenty other stuff to deal with and this isn't a daily driver.

Quote from: Highbanked Hauler on September 22, 2015, 04:01:20 PM
Quote from: 71 SE3834V on September 20, 2015, 12:31:10 PM
Quote from: Kern Dog on September 19, 2015, 05:48:18 PM
That picture looks right, maybe a very slight bit of NEG camber. 

I can achieve even less negative than where it is at now even some positive camber by my eyeball but the car starts pulling left. Obviously I don't know where the caster or toe setting is at but my goal was just to see if less negative can be achieved. At this point it doesn't look so bad that if it can't be brought up to the proper settings maybe the offset bushings would be in order.
When I get time I'll get it on a rack and go from there.

    Lower or raise or your  T bars a little so the upper arms are straight out and you might gain a little positive camber..

I'll look into that. Thanks.

71 Charger SE 383 4V
72 Galaxie 500 400 2V

Kern Dog

A 205 series tire is close to a stock width. You may not be giving the car a fair shake though. If you have spent any time in any newer car, you may have a higher expectation from the car than you should. You will see a dramatic improvement with wider tires and some suspension upgrades.
In 2006 I was hit in the left fender and had to take the car to a shop for repair. I didn't want to risk any overspray on my wheels so I put on some steel wheels with some generic "all season steel belted radials". The car went from  near "razor sharp" steering response to feeling live I was driving on mud. The car understeered going into turns, ( Car wants to keep going straight even with more steering wheel input) and just felt soft.
The pictures below are of the car with the steel wheels and smaller tires.

Kern Dog


71 SE3834V

Your "smaller" tires make mine look like bike tires, Ha!
Yeah F78-14 on 5.5" rims were the stock setup for mine. Can't remember the last time I drove a modern car much. Been driving Ram 2500 4x4's since '96. Nothing but 4x4's since the 80's other than the occasional use of one of the kid's cars. Well technically I own a "newer" car then the Charger but it's only newer by 1 year.  ;)
The understeer wasn't anything I wasn't expecting just needed to remind myself that it was normal. First highway run since owning it.
Don't know if suspension upgrades are in the cards. Most of the roads around here are straight grid pattern anyway. Wider tires are on the list though.  :yesnod:
71 Charger SE 383 4V
72 Galaxie 500 400 2V