whats wrong with us.

[el dub]

I know, were not paying enough.;;;;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBqjZ0KZCa0&feature=player_embedded#t=8

[histoy]

Obviously, she's not a big believer in personal accountability.

[67440chrg]

Useless people. We all pay for pieces of crap like that.

[Patronus]

Ah, the entitlement freedom breeds.
Clearly this is what happens when you leave something in the back of the fridge for too long.

[68X426]

Nothing wrong us, it's only wrong with them.

The lefties say that free birth control from the taxpayers solves the problem - sure it does, ha ha ha ha ha.    

[RallyeMike]

Left or right, I'd rather be funding rubbers than 18 years of childhood.

[68X426]

Left or right, I'd rather be funding rubbers than 18 years of childhood.

You miss my point - we the workers and taxpayers are funding both. 

Free birth control is not working as a strategy to stop the baby machines.

[draftingmonkey]

Left or right, I'd rather be funding rubbers than 18 years of childhood.

But there is less money in using rubbers than in being a breeder.

[RallyeMike]

You miss my point - we the workers and taxpayers are funding both.

Free birth control is not working as a strategy to stop the baby machines.

A child is one of the most expensive things a person can subject themselves too (or subject us tax payers to). Not only in terms of food, clothing, etc, but in how it limits a parent to be able to educate themselves and employ themselves to point where they can support themselves. How many rubbers can Uncle Sam buy compared to the cost of supporting a kid - a kid that will likely grow up just as lazy and stupid as taught by the parents, thus perpetuating the cycle? I'd gladly pay for every one them. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

[skip68]

   WHAT THE FU@&    somebody needs to take responsibility?   WTF?  
Wonderful, 15 more future felons.   So, she's saying that her baby daddy got arrested and even though she's getting everything already paid for that's NOT enough?    Completely unbelievable and sad.    

I'm just waiting for the day when the prison system collapses completely and we just build walls and fencing around the ghettos and they become the new prisons.  

[myk]

Let the zombie apocalypse commence! 

[A383Wing]

I'm just waiting for the day when the prison system collapses completely and we just build walls and fencing around the ghettos and they become the new prisons.  

Like the old movie "Escape from New York" starring Kurt Russell?

[Mike DC]

 
                   

"Let's offer all welfare recipients free govt-supplied BC."  <--  Conservatives get pissed off when it sounds like a gift.

"Let's make govt-issued BC mandatory for anyone receiving welfare."   <--  Conservatives cheer the exact same thing when it sounds like a punishment.


The welfare class needs free BC - for OUR benefit, not theirs.  
Call it a gift, a punishment, a prevention . . . whatever the voters want to hear.




FWIW, the video person's speech is aggressively edited and the end result is provocative.  The video may be misleading or overstating things.      
 

[67440chrg]

I agree Mike.

[John_Kunkel]

It pains me to say it but Hitler had the right idea...mass sterilizations.

[skip68]

Some animals just can't be tamed.   Evolution is slower with some than others.   Home grown Ethiopia right here folks in our own backyard. 

[Mike DC]

 

Sort of. 

People argue that starvation in Africa goes on because of govt problems rather than the literal food supply.  The bad guys steal the resources from the populace and then they steal the foreign aid we send too. 




Either way, the way to reduce the birthrate is very simple - educate the girls more (education in general, not even specifically sex-ed).  This has been shown to work very consistently all around the world.  It'll work in the USA just like it works in Africa. 

[polywideblock]

they need to pack her off to Australia where they pay by the kid    on second thoughts we've got enough bludgers  you can keep her   

[Daytona R/T SE]

Some animals just can't be tamed.   Evolution is slower with some than others.   Home grown Ethiopia right here folks in our own backyard. 

[Mike DC]

  
It's a bad situation, but what can you do about it?  


If you cut off the mother's welfare money then you end up hurting the existing kids most of all.  

If you try to forcibly stop the parents from reproducing more  . . . I don't want the govt getting into that business.  Too scary on principle. 




I could see maybe taking away all custody of any children that the mother gives birth to.  Like start enforcing it when the mother has been on welfare for several years straight and already has a few kids.  "You can give birth to more kids on welfare, but you can't keep them or get additional welfare money for them.  You squeeze one out, the nurse takes it out of the delivery room, and then you never see it again."  

This would not do anything to discourage the deadbeat sperm donors from reproducing.  But it would cut off the mother's incentive to keep crapping out more kids while she is on the dole.  Pregnancy isn't much fun without the payoff.  

[Daytona R/T SE]

Deadbeat fathers need to pay.

If they claim "I gots no money, cuz I gots no job"

Fine.



That means they have PLENTY of time EVERY day to walk along the highway picking up trash, pulling weeds, cleaning out old abandoned houses and vacant lots in the city, volunteering at the homeless shelter, painting the old lady next door's house, fishing old tires and refrigerators out of the river... etc. etc. etc.

Plenty of things for idle hands to do out there.

It's called work.

Try it.

Someone might notice your efforts and give you a job.





Sorry dude,

If you impregnate someone and produce a child...

It's time to pull up your pants,

Sell the Escalade,

And use the money to buy diapers, bottles, and a stroller.

[Mike DC]

             
Deadbeat fathers come in a wide range.  Some are losers who don't want to pay.  Others are busting their asses with unrealistic payments. 


Men don't have the kind of birth control freedoms than women have, either.  We have one (unreliable) BC option, no morning-after options, and we have no say in the abortion question. 

[68X426]

             
Men don't have the kind of birth control freedoms than women have, either. 

You sure about that?

We have the plenty of freedom - it's called vasectomy.

[el dub]

             
Deadbeat fathers come in a wide range.  Some are losers who don't want to pay.  Others are busting their asses with unrealistic payments. 


Men don't have the kind of birth control freedoms than women have, either.  We have one (unreliable) BC option, no morning-after options, and we have no say in the abortion question. 

      Men have the best birth control of all. If you don't stab it, its not getting knocked up. If you do stab it you may wind up as a daddy, unless you make sure the female is on birth control. If she's not, you may be a daddy.
The problem in my eyes is the programs they have in place to prevent all this. They do not work and they cannot change. Have you noticed no person gets fired from govt jobs, Fed, State, City, and County. These programs are filled with dummies that protect each other and continue wasting money. They are not worried about how many are on welfare or any kind of programs. they are worried about keeping their jobs. These are top heavy jobs. Money wastin jobs. That is why now the Feds are starting to contract out a lot of their jobs. The states are starting to follow this example. The cities also. This is where the problem is. No real brains in charge.   

[skip68]

You know she's gonna be pregnant again at least a few more times probably.   After 4 or 5 you'd think she'd learn.    but 15, she's never going to stop.   I say rip out her Damn uterus.   There's several other videos of her from the news.   I like the one where the judge puts her in jail then orders her back to court to release her.   The judge said she's releasing her because keeping her in jail is only burdening the taxpayers more than she already is.       I did see one of the baby daddies with a nice Nike sweatshirt and expensive sneakers of course.    

This is a huge problem within the black community.  Not to this extreme with 15 kids but still several kids and baby daddies missing.  
But, somebody needs to pay for this.   Other than themselves of course.  

We should all feel so guilty for wanting the finer things in life when we clearly have these people that we're failing to take better care of.    
Why is it that they have a choice and we don't?  
 This frickin woman needs slavery.  She'll have a roof over her head, food on the table clothes on her back and a job besides making babies.    My last statement may not be popular or politically correct but we're talking about a waste of human that's clearly not living politically correct.   The only difference between people like her and animals is she can almost speak clear English and can dress herself.   

[Daytona R/T SE]

           


Men don't have the kind of birth control freedoms than women have, either.  We have one (unreliable) BC option, no morning-after options, and we have no say in the abortion question.  

Uhhh....

Keep your dick in your pants.

[Mike DC]

  
Try saying "if she didn't want to get pregnant then she should have kept her legs closed" around a group of women.  Try not to get slapped.  

So why is it socially acceptable to say this about men?  

Women got BC & abortion rights by calling it a human rights issue.  They couldn't have a normal sex life without ending up making children against their will.  Men still don't have these "human rights" 40+ years later, and that is crazy.  
 


We deserve and need better BC methods.  
I sometimes hear women complain about how men have it easy because we "don't have to take BC".  WTF?  Every unmarried guy I know would want a male BC pill if he had the option!    

Science has been working on it for decades but nothing is a done deal yet.  
 

[Daytona R/T SE]

So there's no personal responsibility ? 

It's science and government's fault for not providing birth control ? 

Again...

Here's the solution:

Keep your dick in your pants. 

[Mike DC]

 

IMO we are having this discussion because putting moral pressure on the poor is not very effective.  



Preaching morality without offering cheap/free solutions won't bring down the welfare birthrate.  It will help us feel more self-righteous, make us more pissed off  . . . and it won't fix the problem.

I want to fix the problem.  $1 worth of BC probably saves the country $1000 in the very long run.  If we don't buy one or the other then the long-term indirect consequences for the whole culture are much worse.

I say push moral responsibility too.  But let's be realistic that it's not a solution for irresponsible adults living now.  It's more effective at steering kids in the right direction for the next generation.  Only a decent upbringing environment + moral responsibility will end the cycle.  Free BC for the parents helps to give the existing kids a better environment.    




Also, I don't consider it irresponsible to want to have sex without risking children.  Condoms have a crappy failure rate and they are not very practical compared to the other options women have.  

[skip68]

Unfortunately we can never break the cycle.  It's evolved so bad for so long that they aren't capable of morality and responsibility.  It's something that they just don't understand and was lost generations ago.    

[JB400]

  What's wrong with us?  The answer is simple, yet hard to accomplish.  Establish the sense of what it means to be a family.  This woman has no idea of what a family is.  Neither does her boyfriend.  They both are nothing but rabbits or mice, pushing out children for the purpose of having children.  If he was in it to be a proper father, he wouldn't have gotten arrested.  She wouldn't have said what she said if she was to be a proper mother. 

  Unfortunately, I know of a guy that has 10 kids with 6 girls.  He's currently on his 7th.  She wants to have children as well, but she miscarried that last few times, so I kinda doubt she ever will. 

  Back on subject, they don't teach family values in school, which is a shame.  That is what needs to be taught.  Men aren't taught why they should go to a steady job, come home to a loving wife, and enjoy time with their children.  Women aren't taught how to run a proper household, or raise a family, or how to love their husbands.  Neither sex has any clue as to what to do, or desire to do it, and just ends up gaming the system.  I've found that most women don't care who they're with.  They just want to play the system.  A majority of the guys don't want to commit either, so they end up playing the system.  Those people that do want to commit, either done it early, or end up getting played as well, and lose hope in finding someone to commit to.

  I say lets install some family role models, and family values.  The birth rate will control itself, or at least, support itself.

[el dub]

I don't think so.    They call them family values for a reason. You learn from your mother and father. I wouldn't want some crackpot teacher, in our school system, teaching my kid something like that. Your right about the gaming though. The more kids you have, the more benefits you get. That is what has to change.  limit the benefits.

[skip68]

Sorry jb but it starts at home.  These kids aren't living a Brady bunch life and their parents didn't either.  And guess what, these kid's kids won't be either.   Probably most will end up dead or incarcerated before they're 25.   The girls will end up with multiple baby daddies by the time they hit 20.   Sterilize an entire generation is what's needed to slow down this epidemic.   Treat them like the animals they are and spayed and neuter them now.  
They abandon and kill their own and then have the nerve to cry to us that black lives matter.  WTF?   Matter to who?   This is the reason people become racists.  Tired of entitled garbage people.  

[JB400]

Skip, you hit the nail on the head.  It starts at home.  That's the problem.  These kids that end up being these people that game the system have no home or any idea of what a home is.  That's why I say they need to be shown what a home is and what it's all about.  Show them how to love themselves and one another.  Right now, they don't care either way.

[el dub]

Here's what it boils down to ......https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WeYsTmIzjkw#t=98     

[Cncguy]

Just Think all 15 kids will grow up believing this same thing.

[wingcar]

Fifteen more problems down the road that society will have to deed with....sad for all.  What ever happened to "personal accountably"?  Does society own her because of poor life choices SHE made?  I see another generation growing up with their hand out sucking money from those that work hard and ask nothing more from the government than to left alone.     

[ITSA426]

Lots of suggestions, not many solutions.  Bring back the draft, make education affordable and mandatory, go back to the WPA mentality of creating jobs for people and make them character building jobs.  If you get assistance from the public you should owe the public something.  Maybe we should modify immigration policy so that "if we get one of yours, you have to take one of ours".  It is really sick to see someone so ungrateful that they expect something for nothing.  They shouldn't be allowed to teach their children the same thing as a lifestyle.  Life's hard - it's harder if your stupid!

[Mike DC]

 
Education is already FREE and mandatory.  But this would have helped equalize our society, which we try to avoid at all costs.  So we pushed the more directly useful studies up into the post-high-school levels where it's still very expensive. 

[ITSA426]

But how many people with only the mandatory free education can even balance a checkbook.  There needs to be more; and sometimes people need to be held accountable by someone else if they can't hold themselves responsible.  Again, that's only part of the problem, but maybe a good place to start.  So much to do to raise the least of us.

[ws23rt]

Their is a snowball effect going on here.  Those that are raising (or trying too) the little gifts from splashing seaman most likely came from the same background and traditions.
What they have to offer their children is all they have learned.  One of which is more babies means more money. The economic reality and the future are things that don't play in their world.  It is all about today.

[RECHRGD]

There are laws against feeding wildlife for the obvious reasons.  Once they become accustomed to the free easy food, they become less apt to return to their natural way of feeding themselves.  They can become aggressive if food is withheld and soon you'll be feeding more and more of them as word gets out.  From what I've witnessed in the last 67 years, the human brain seems to work the same......

[ws23rt]

There are laws against feeding wildlife for the obvious reasons.  Once they become accustomed to the free easy food, they become less apt to return to their natural way of feeding themselves.  They can become aggressive if food is withheld and soon you'll be feeding more and more of them as word gets out.  From what I've witnessed in the last 67 years, the human brain seems to work the same......

  This is simple, clear and obvious.  We are not different from all other critters in the fundamentals of survival and adaptability.

[el dub]

Its the bureaucratic systems in place that supports these people that is the problem. JB is correct when he said they are gaming the systems. That is all it is. Change the bureaucracy.  Simple eh. Ever try and get rid of a govt employee.

[RECHRGD]

Its the bureaucratic systems in place that supports these people that is the problem. JB is correct when he said they are gaming the systems. That is all it is. Change the bureaucracy.  Simple eh. Ever try and get rid of a govt employee.

Absolutely!  As our local and federal governments have been liberalized over the decades the abuse has been ignored and more and more programs have been put in place.  Any attempt to put the brakes on all of this is viewed as cruel and racist.

[ws23rt]

Its the bureaucratic systems in place that supports these people that is the problem. JB is correct when he said they are gaming the systems. That is all it is. Change the bureaucracy.  Simple eh. Ever try and get rid of a govt employee.

Absolutely!  As our local and federal governments have been liberalized over the decades the abuse has been ignored and more and more programs have been put in place.  Any attempt to put the brakes on all of this is viewed as cruel and racist.

Agree--- An important question is- just who view rational/practical  thinking as being cruel and racist?  Are they the ones that dictate for all?

[RECHRGD]

Its the bureaucratic systems in place that supports these people that is the problem. JB is correct when he said they are gaming the systems. That is all it is. Change the bureaucracy.  Simple eh. Ever try and get rid of a govt employee.

Absolutely!  As our local and federal governments have been liberalized over the decades the abuse has been ignored and more and more programs have been put in place.  Any attempt to put the brakes on all of this is viewed as

Agree--- An important question is- just who view rational/practical  thinking as being cruel and racist?  Are they the ones that dictate for all?

You and I both know the answer, but if we get too political here the subject will be blocked.  The status quo benefits many high powered people and they will do and say anything to not have the boat rocked.....

[ws23rt]

Its the bureaucratic systems in place that supports these people that is the problem. JB is correct when he said they are gaming the systems. That is all it is. Change the bureaucracy.  Simple eh. Ever try and get rid of a govt employee.

Absolutely!  As our local and federal governments have been liberalized over the decades the abuse has been ignored and more and more programs have been put in place.  Any attempt to put the brakes on all of this is viewed as

Agree--- An important question is- just who view rational/practical  thinking as being cruel and racist?  Are they the ones that dictate for all?

You and I both know the answer, but if we get too political here the subject will be blocked.  The status quo benefits many high powered people and they will do and say anything to not have the boat rocked.....

I suppose that anytime a conversation moves to hoping those that we hire do right by us-- will be considered political. ---That leaves few topics if any that can pass the political test.

Hmm ---These hired folks just need a rational mind that can make decisions.  Let's give them the glory of being in a position of "high" regard for a short time and they can live like the rest of us as they grow old.  They could get a hobby like cars (for example) and have fun with life as they age. 

[RECHRGD]

Its the bureaucratic systems in place that supports these people that is the problem. JB is correct when he said they are gaming the systems. That is all it is. Change the bureaucracy.  Simple eh. Ever try and get rid of a govt employee.

Absolutely!  As our local and federal governments have been liberalized over the decades the abuse has been ignored and more and more programs have been put in place.  Any attempt to put the brakes on all of this is viewed as

Agree--- An important question is- just who view rational/practical  thinking as being cruel and racist?  Are they the ones that dictate for all?

You and I both know the answer, but if we get too political here the subject will be blocked.  The status quo benefits many high powered people and they will do and say anything to not have the boat rocked.....

I suppose that anytime a conversation moves to hoping those that we hire do right by us-- will be considered political. ---That leaves few topics if any that can pass the political test.

Hmm ---These hired folks just need a rational mind that can make decisions.  Let's give them the glory of being in a position of "high" regard for a short time and they can live like the rest of us as they grow old.  They could get a hobby like cars (for example) and have fun with life as they age. 

[John_Kunkel]

In many cultures, a man's "macho" can be enhanced by displaying his virility by having fathered lots of kids. This is why BC, even when readily available, is shunned by those who have nothing else to brag about.

[Mike DC]

(now, in the correct thread . . )




Stop focusing on this woman taking free money.  She is a distraction.  

Start focusing on who is giving the free money to her.  It's not the poor and it's not the middle class.  They have reasons for doing it.   

[el dub]

 Don't leave us hanging, finish what you were saying. Who is it? 

[Mike DC]

  
Who controls everything?  The 0.001%.


The poor live in unsafe squalor.  They have shitty health.  They have no supermarkets to buy decent food.  Their schools suck.  They spend years in prison for minor offenses like pot & parole violations.  This is not a class with power/control of anything.  They don't get a single dollar from the govt unless the 0.001% wants it that way.  

The 0.001% does not give away free money without a reason.  They do not give away very much money no matter what.  


Whatever the poor is getting, it's a small piece of the real pie - Where is the rest of it?  

The poor doesn't have most of it and neither does the middle.  Most of the infamous "1%" is barely above the middle.  It's the 0.001% we need to focus on.      

[el dub]