broadcast sheet numbers

[ht4spd307]

hello all can any one help me with some numbers from my broad cast sheet as I've just brought a 1969 r/t se charger and wanting it to be factory spec correct the car is fairly original besides a couple of miss matched pieces radiator and engine cooling fan the broad cast sheet says radiator 55 which i worked out to be a 2949055  26 " 2 core radiator which I'm chasing if anyone has one for sale i have the one which came with the car and wish to swap with someone which needs this one for their car part number 3443947 if they wish to go that way .now to the numbers on my broad cast sheet if someone could help  fan # 16 and then spacer # 56  what would be the part numbers for these 2 items thank you all

[ODZKing]

7 blade fan w/AC 383/440 pn 2863216.
Spacer, interesting.  Only one I see w/56 is 1825956 but application is for A body 272/318 and is 2 inches.
The parts book for your application calls for 2003059 unless it is a "Canada ONLY car" in which case 1674746 1.72 inches.
Are you positive it says 56?
BTW go to my website and download the collision manual http://www.retrorarities.com/1969ChargerCollision.pdf

[Mopar Nut]

Here's another good site to help in looking up numbers.

http://www.mymopar.com/index.php?pid=17

Welcome aboard!

[69CoronetRT]

... the broad cast sheet says radiator 55 which i worked out to be a 2949055  26 " 2 core radiator....  fan # 16 and then spacer # 56  ...

the 055 radiator is a good tip. You don't say but I'll guess the car has A/C (H51 on line 7)

If yes, then spacer 56 is 2658456 which is the thermal drive unit used with the 055 26" radiator.

[ht4spd307]

 that makes sense it is an a/c car thanks all

[hemigeno]

... the broad cast sheet says radiator 55 which i worked out to be a 2949055  26 " 2 core radiator....  fan # 16 and then spacer # 56  ...

the 055 radiator is a good tip. You don't say but I'll guess the car has A/C (H51 on line 7)

If yes, then spacer 56 is 2658456 which is the thermal drive unit used with the 055 26" radiator.

2658456 is a big-block thermal-drive spacer, and has the same diameter (7.25") and projection (1.27" length) as the more commonly-known 2806070 torque-drive fan spacer.  It came standard equipment (in the case of 1969 B-bodies) on B/RB engines with Air Conditioning.  As Doug already guessed - and ht4spd307 confirmed - the car had to have A/C for that spacer code to show up.  The 1825956 part number shown in the little white books may be correct for other years, but it wasn't used in 1969 on B-bodies anyway.  For those models, the 383/440 solid spacer part number was 1825932, with a 1.24" length.  I can dig through the A- & C-Body applications if it's really important to anyone, but since we hone in on the Chargers I'll stop where I'm at.

I'm also sure that ht4spd307's R/T SE is a 3.23:1 axle car too, since the addition of any Performance Axle Package (3.55 or 4.10's -- and a/c wasn't available with 4.10's anyway*) would have bumped the car up to the 054 3-core radiator.





*edited for clarity

[69CoronetRT]

Geno,

A36 (3.55s) with A/C was allowed. It's just not very common.

Yes, the axle package did bump the radiator to an 054 with the 56 fan drive.

[hemigeno]

Geno,

A36 (3.55s) with A/C was allowed. It's just not very common.

Yes, the axle package did bump the radiator to an 054 with the 56 fan drive.

Hi Doug, you're correct - as usual; but I wasn't trying to imply the A36 3.55 P.A.P. eliminated a/c as an available option... only that the A32 4.10 S.P.A.P did not allow a/c.  My earlier comment was just terribly poor phraseology on my part. 

[69CoronetRT]

Geno,

A36 (3.55s) with A/C was allowed. It's just not very common.

Yes, the axle package did bump the radiator to an 054 with the 56 fan drive.

Hi Doug, you're correct - as usual; but I wasn't trying to imply the A36 3.55 P.A.P. eliminated a/c as an available option... only that the A32 4.10 S.P.A.P did not allow a/c.  My earlier comment was just terribly poor phraseology on my part. 

Actually, it was my poor reading skills....My apologies.

[ht4spd307]

hi all again i'm new to this sight and new to the charger game this sight is a wealth of info i need for the restoration on my car unfortunately i live on the other side of the big pond in australia which makes sourcing parts twice as hard due to the distance and the dollar conversion .but never the less i've loved these cars since i was a teenager now in my late 40's i finally got one. so nothing going to stop us now {dirty mary crazy larry} .i found it over here a 1969 r/t se fully optioned a/c  power steer 6 way seat power disk brakes  auto {wanted manual but hey} electric windows tinted windows  in y3 black top/ black trim  so i'm as happy as a pig in sh'''t .any way i have another question what the difference between a 286 3216 and a 15  fan blade  mine came with the 16  can i use the 15 as they look the same to me. correct me if im wrong your saying the spacer number really is the clutch thermo unit and not a spacer

[Mopar Nut]

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[Challenger340]

This stuff just makes my head spin ?? 

Especially when you consider the amount of knowledge, and diligence to details that must be applied, when restoring these Cars back to "correct" configuration ?
Thank gawd you guys have maintained these databases for future reference.

[ODZKing]

Agreed! Even then you have to keep in mind Chrysler's "what ever was in the bin" attitude as well.  When they were cranking these cars out, they weren't going to hold up a line for a missing part.
For a vehicle to be pulled from the line, it was usually something major.
I'm not saying this is the case here but it is not out of the ordinary to have a newer or later year part on a car. Especially beginning and end of the model year.
For example, I have 68 vent window levers on my 67. I am second owner and I know the car wasn't tampered with.  It happens.
So sometimes putting these back to factory original is quite a process.

[ht4spd307]

Ok thanks  how can I tell the difference between the 15 & 16 physically as I'm looking at one at the moment but I can't see a part number on the fan any where any tell tale signs

[hemigeno]

Ok thanks  how can I tell the difference between the 15 & 16 physically as I'm looking at one at the moment but I can't see a part number on the fan any where any tell tale signs

Here is one way they marked the 215 fans (they also used ink stamps instead of the embossed stamped numbers - depends on the vintage of the fan you're looking at):

[ht4spd307]

so the 16 hasn't got the stamping  as to the 15  had both or either ?

[hemigeno]

I can't say whether 2863216 fans (which is what you should have) all came with ink stamps, but at least some did:




If the fan you have looks like that one (7 blades, 18-1/2" diameter, 2-1/4" blade pitch) and you'd like to install your own ink stamp after a fresh coat of paint, check out this thread:

2863216 fan ink stamping

[Alaskan_TA]

215 fan - 18" diameter.

216 fan - 18.5" diameter

Both had versions with the ink stamp or stamped numbers.

[Alaskan_TA]

216 stamp;

[ht4spd307]

thank you all that clears it up but the fella selling the fan says in 18 1/4 inch so that's put a spanner in the works