So who's taking the flag off their Chargers?

[Lord Warlock]

I will admit that Gulfport MS isn't the most welcoming part of the south, MS as a whole tended to hold hatred of the North longer than many other states.  As a Florida resident, going to college in Alabama, with a roommate from GA, you can imagine we kind of dumped on MS quite a bit.  
Being called a Yankee by current residents is usually what you encounter first, they want to see how you take the name calling, you're supposed to ignore it, or banter back, southerners rarely keep up with harassment unless you start a feud with them.  You should have tried a few of the other states before labeling the south a certain way, Alabama would be harder on a black family than a white, but it depends on where you lived also.  In the early 70s there was usually a white part of town, a black part of town, and a large swath in the middle that was mixed.  If you moved into the white area than yes you'd encounter people reluctant to give up the old ways.  But keep in mind, there has not been any KKK activity since the 50s, more than likely if you saw a pickup full of young men whooping it up, and waving the flag around, they were probably drunk, but mischief to them would be breaking a window, not looping rope over trees., Still, a black youth would not walk a white girl home from school in some neighborhoods.  That really didn't change till the 70s, by the 80s it was commonplace.  

A person should be judged on how they consistently act, not how they act in one situation.  Also don't judge us on what is said, we don't label every black person to be a racist just because a majority of rappers act like it often.  Growing up I had some friends that were more racist than I was, one in particular that I remember had contacts to the clan, when you visited that group of friends you didn't bring your black friends  along.  I do remember having groups of friends meeting at my house to decide what the plan was for a weekend party, sometimes we'd had 15-20 black friends over along with 10 or 15 white kids planning where to have a keg party, it was enough to make my parents nervous of what the neighbors would say to them.  Needless to say the kids that got together back then weren't acting thuggish, or they wouldn't have come over to our side of the bayou.  We had plenty of places to go and party in private, there was an endless beach within 20 minutes, you just had to figure out where on the beach to meet up at.

Personally, I encountered more racism and black on white violence when I lived in Newport RI than I ever did in Virginia, Florida, or Alabama.  I read about racial issues in Florida the year before we moved there the 3rd time, that was mid 77, while there was tension between races, we dealt with it and survived,  In South Dakota, there was no black/white bias, everyone was pretty much racist against Indians there, In California in the mid 60s the residents looked down on Mexicans but lived with them without shooting each other.   I was in San Diego, Coronado, and Monterey in the 60s.  There are bias's everywhere you go, you have to be willing to adapt a little or you'll never fit in.  That is the problem I see with the situation today, no one wants to compromise or adapt, they want to force a specific way regardless of who is right.

[JB400]

I didn't see this posted

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuhUrPhdyPQ

I think they set that up for a news story.  A cop may own that Challenger, but I think some of those people were paid off.



So, the evolution of Lee 1 continues.  This time, politically corrected  It's no longer a GL.  Just another Charger.  Bubba should just sell the thing to someone who'd appreciate it for what it was.

[cdr]

I will admit that Gulfport MS isn't the most welcoming part of the south, MS as a whole tended to hold hatred of the North longer than many other states.  As a Florida resident, going to college in Alabama, with a roommate from GA, you can imagine we kind of dumped on MS quite a bit.  
Being called a Yankee by current residents is usually what you encounter first, they want to see how you take the name calling, you're supposed to ignore it, or banter back, southerners rarely keep up with harassment unless you start a feud with them.  You should have tried a few of the other states before labeling the south a certain way, Alabama would be harder on a black family than a white, but it depends on where you lived also.  In the early 70s there was usually a white part of town, a black part of town, and a large swath in the middle that was mixed.  If you moved into the white area than yes you'd encounter people reluctant to give up the old ways.  But keep in mind, there has not been any KKK activity since the 50s, more than likely if you saw a pickup full of young men whooping it up, and waving the flag around, they were probably drunk, but mischief to them would be breaking a window, not looping rope over trees., Still, a black youth would not walk a white girl home from school in some neighborhoods.  That really didn't change till the 70s, by the 80s it was commonplace.  

A person should be judged on how they consistently act, not how they act in one situation.  Also don't judge us on what is said, we don't label every black person to be a racist just because a majority of rappers act like it often.  Growing up I had some friends that were more racist than I was, one in particular that I remember had contacts to the clan, when you visited that group of friends you didn't bring your black friends  along.  I do remember having groups of friends meeting at my house to decide what the plan was for a weekend party, sometimes we'd had 15-20 black friends over along with 10 or 15 white kids planning where to have a keg party, it was enough to make my parents nervous of what the neighbors would say to them.  Needless to say the kids that got together back then weren't acting thuggish, or they wouldn't have come over to our side of the bayou.  We had plenty of places to go and party in private, there was an endless beach within 20 minutes, you just had to figure out where on the beach to meet up at.

Personally, I encountered more racism and black on white violence when I lived in Newport RI than I ever did in Virginia, Florida, or Alabama.  I read about racial issues in Florida the year before we moved there the 3rd time, that was mid 77, while there was tension between races, we dealt with it and survived,  In South Dakota, there was no black/white bias, everyone was pretty much racist against Indians there, In California in the mid 60s the residents looked down on Mexicans but lived with them without shooting each other.   I was in San Diego, Coronado, and Monterey in the 60s.  There are bias's everywhere you go, you have to be willing to adapt a little or you'll never fit in.  That is the problem I see with the situation today, no one wants to compromise or adapt, they want to force a specific way regardless of who is right.

[440]

In my last job 8 years ago I was kicked out of the parking lot for having a confederate flag license plate.

[440]

I saw a post on the last page but this is just sad and wrong. An original General Lee 

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/07/bubba-watson-general-lee-confederate-flag-american

[el dub]

I wonder how it runs for 110k.

[440]

It's been a while but I think it was one of the original 3 Generals built, specificlly the one in the intro jump in front of the courthouse. I believe it is the one Travis found.

Covering up the flag on that General Lee is like building a parking lot on the Gettysburg battle field.

[Lord Warlock]

Putting the American flag there will just make the name of the car appear stupid, since General Robert E Lee didn't fight for "America" he fought for the Confederacy.  The North got to rub our faces in the loss by electing General U Grant as President soon afterwards, they had their hero we had ours.  Its sacrilegious to remove the flag from a real TV or movie prop car, it defaces it and makes it less than it should be.  If you remove the flag fine, also remove the name on the edges of the flag and just leave the roof blank, most will never know.  And the .0002 percent of the nation who got offended by the flag, will undoubtedly start being offended by the color Hemi Orange, or the letters 01 on the sides, anything to change reality over to their opinion.

Saw an interview with Ann Coulter today and she brought up many of the points I presented in her argument.  I don't follow her much, she enjoys the fight too much, but I was at least glad to hear it on TV in an interview.

[keith88]

Putting the American flag there will just make the name of the car appear stupid,.....  

I diffidently do not side with bubba or any one else for that matter in changing the flag its like defacing money. That is the 1st general lee and if any should stay the same its that one for sure.!! As far as my time living in MS i realize that it would be worst there than in Florida and other states  and i was 10 moving with my family so it wasn't like i could pick a state to move to. And i here you on racism in the north it is here in CT as well. All I am saying is that southern people seem to see the flag in a different light than most people out of it although its roots stood for slavery and hatred for blacks at its inception. But it is clear that they dont see it as that now for the most part.

[keith88]

I didn't see this posted

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuhUrPhdyPQ

I think they set that up for a news story.  A cop may own that Challenger, but I think some of those people were paid off.



So, the evolution of Lee 1 continues.  This time, politically corrected   It's no longer a GL.  Just another Charger.  Bubba should just sell the thing to someone who'd appreciate it for what it was.

I live up near were the story happen and it is real, but you have to remember it is new york city That would not happen where i live.

[skip68]

or the letters 01 on the sides,

You see Lord warlock, that kind of thinking is what lost you guys the war.   Those are actually numbers NOT letters.    We use them for adding and subtraction and all kinds of things.      just playing with you you dirty reb.      

I'm with you warlock.   Even if the flag is gone but the name is there it's still racist in others eyes I bet.   To have the General Lee with an American flag on the roof makes no sense whatsoever.  Just stupid.
Far as the orange paint goes, that's something I've thought about also.  
If they see a orange charger even without decals are they going to try and say there's still a connection?    

[440]

0's and 1's... The duke boys were on to something before Bill Gates...

[keith88]

0's and 1's... The duke boys were on to something before Bill Gates...

like that.. that was good

[Charger-Bodie]

That the thing ticks me off more than any of it, my childhood heros drove a Charger with a flag on the roof. They were the good guys. How many other situation do you suppose are out there were someone's being crushed because that flag or something it's attached to is under fire. It's total whiney bs that it's come to this.

I get the negative views of the flag and all that...... That stuff was a long time ago. And if people are still being treated that way now, then the flag is not the problem the people are. That's why people are for this crap because they can a warm fuzzy feeling without actually accomplishing ANYTHING.

[keith88]

That the thing ticks me off more than any of it, my childhood heros drove a Charger with a flag on the roof.

Yea i remember the producer of the dukes had said that the reason they put the flag on the roof of the general was that it was popular when he was growing up in the south so that why he put one on the car.

[skip68]

It's almost as if they're doing this intentionally knowing that it's going to stir up trouble.   They know as well as we do that the flag isn't magical and all who touch it don't become racist.      
Then again, maybe are that stupid.    No, I refuse to believe that they're that dumb.  They know dam well that this will only create trouble and not accomplish one thing towards racism. Just makes it worse.   

Since Wal-Mart and others want to go down the road of human rights I say they need to be exposed.   They know where they get their products from and they know that the conditions of these sweatshops are probably something that the public wouldn't want to see.   So, I hope that somebody does a report on them and shows the horrible conditions and that Wal-Mart is ok with selling those products. 

Just how is the dukes really offensive to them?   You don't see General Lee's driving up and down the streets.  This is just to start trouble IMO. 

[cdr]

quote from keith88
All I am saying is that southern people seem to see the flag in a different light than most people out of it although its roots stood for slavery and hatred for blacks at its inception. But it is clear that they dont see it as that now for the most part.



did you not see the link that i posted about how MOST people feel about the flag ?

[keith88]

quote from keith88
All I am saying is that southern people seem to see the flag in a different light than most people out of it although its roots stood for slavery and hatred for blacks at its inception. But it is clear that they dont see it as that now for the most part.



did you not see the link that i posted about how MOST people feel about the flag ?

Yes i did but that pole could have been done in the south and was not very many people  Believe it said something like just over 1000 did it, not sure sure that is represented country wide . I see way to many post about this everywhere else for that to be accurate. The main thing is we need to focus our anger at the groups that are using it as a symbol of hate now.. not at each other.

[cdr]

hey keith    you are part of the problem   

[keith88]

You should watch the video that is with it also it explains it better ...And no im not i dont give a sh-- who has the flag im trying to get you to see the issue from the other side!  It is seen as a symbol of racism by many people and that is the issue.

[keith88]

This is from that pole and is what im saying:
Among African-Americans, 72% see the Confederate flag as a symbol of racism, just 25% of whites agree. In the South, the racial divide is even broader. While 75% of Southern whites describe the flag as a symbol of pride and 18% call it a symbol of racism, those figures are almost exactly reversed among Southern African-Americans, with just 11% seeing it as a sign of pride and 75% viewing it as a symbol of racism.

Among whites, there's a sharp divide by education, and those with more formal education are less apt to see the flag as a symbol of pride. Among whites with a college degree, 51% say it's a symbol of pride, 41% one of racism. Among those whites who do not have a college degree, 73% say it's a sign of Southern pride, 18% racism.

The south see the flag differently.

[cdr]

then stay up north & quit bashing the south!!!!!

[keith88]

Sorry i was wrong about the amount of people taking the pole and where ..my bad was a another pole i looked at.

[keith88]

then stay up north & quit bashing the south!!!!!

Not bashing the south at all pointing out the difference in the way it is perceived never said and thing bad about the south .

[Charger-Bodie]

I'm just glad that all the hate has gone away. Instead of dividing us all further.