So who's taking the flag off their Chargers?

[keith88]

  In all fairness I think that the kkk and or any other group that promotes hate should be outlawed and have severe punishment. 
This country is a mixture of all races and any group that promotes one race as right or hate on another should be considered a practice of domestic terrorism.     
Keith, it's been blowing over for years and it's getting worse.  Sooner or later we as a whole country are going to have to deal with this.   

Its only an issue now because of recent events it will die down like every thing does..it still be there there but no one will act on it like now unless some moron uses the flag to do something stupid than it will bring it up again . We need to stop the hate groups that use it as a symbol of hate that is where the anger should be directed to.

[bull]

 In all fairness I think that the kkk and or any other group that promotes hate should be outlawed and have severe punishment.  
This country is a mixture of all races and any group that promotes one race as right or hate on another should be considered a practice of domestic terrorism.    
Keith, it's been blowing over for years and it's getting worse.  Sooner or later we as a whole country are going to have to deal with this.  

You might as we kiss the Firsf Amendment goodbye if you're willing to outlaw groups that "promote hate," as you put it. Are you really ready to embrace communism or fascism to keep people from whining about bad memories throughout history? How far could you take that? Believe me, there's no end to how far it could go. To allow the government the power to decide what ideaologies can be expressed in this country or not? That's what's so dangerous about the PC troopers running around looking for things to ban;it effectively ends free speech. I don't want to live in a world where speaking your mind in an "incorrect" way get you fined, jailed, or your livlihood destroyed and yet sadly we already do. And people stand up and cheer for it. People work hard in fervent attempts to destroy the lives of others who disagree with them or refuse to support certain ideas. If you want that way of life I suggest the best place to live is N. Korea, Syria, Cuba, etc.

[Ponch ®]

 In all fairness I think that the kkk and or any other group that promotes hate should be outlawed and have severe punishment.  
This country is a mixture of all races and any group that promotes one race as right or hate on another should be considered a practice of domestic terrorism.     
Keith, it's been blowing over for years and it's getting worse.  Sooner or later we as a whole country are going to have to deal with this.   

You might as we kiss the Firsf Amendment goodbye if you're willing to outlaw groups that "promote hate," as you put it. Are you really ready to embrace communism or fascism to keep people from whining about history? To allow the government the power to decide what ideaologies can be expressed in this country or not? That's what's so dangerous about the PC troopers running around looking for things to ban, it effectively ends free speech. I don't want to live in a world where speaking your mind in an "incorrect" way get you fined, jailed, your livlihood destroyed and yet we already do. And people cheer for it. People work hard in fervent attempts to destroy the lives of others who disagree or refuse to support certain ideas. If you want that way of life I suggest the best place to live is N. Korea, Syria, Cuba, etc.

oh snap...bull posted something I agree with.

you can't outlaw groups that "promote hate" based on their beliefs (whacky as they may be) because something like that is too overbroad and it is protected by the 1st amendment. On the other hand, you can outlaw groups that promote hate based on their participation in illegal activities (tax evasion, fraud, running guns/drugs to fund their operations, etc).

[skip68]

I understand guys.   You guys really don't want to see Skippy move to north Korea do you?     
Don't answer please.   

[bull]

Right. If they're actually doing something illegal they can be prosecuted and disbanded but talking or expression? I sure as hell hope not. It's bad enough already.

Ponch, I'm a little surprised to see your strong support of the First Admendment ideology coupled with a similarly strong desire to limit it. At least on this Southern Cross issue.

[Ponch ®]

Ponch, I'm a little surprised to see your strong support of the First Admendment ideology coupled with a similarly strong desire to limit it. At least on this Southern Cross issue.

I have no desire whatsoever to limit freedom of speech or expression. But as I said about 17,345,987 times in this thread and the one in Off Topic, this thing with the Rebel flag is not a First Amendment issue.

If a government - federal, state, city came out and said something along the lines of "we're banning people from buying/selling/displaying the flag", then it would be a First Amendment issue and I'd be pretty pissed off about it. You know, the whole "I may not agree with what you're saying, but I defend your right to say it" thing.

In a way, lashing out at eBay, Amazon, whoever else doesn't want to sell Confederate stuff anymore, is lashing out at their right to speak about and express their dislike for the confederate flags.

[tcs69rt]

I did not read all 7 pages and not sure if this was asked? I thought John Schneider was selling the decal kits for anyone wanting to make a GL? Maybe the GL owners can comment? Is JS still selling the kits with the falg or any other company for that matter? Just curious and not trying to change the latest post on this. Thanks! TC

[JB400]

He promotes Crazy C graphics, which has recently been on here to promote his own graphics.

[John_Kunkel]

 In all fairness I think that the kkk and or any other group that promotes hate should be outlawed and have severe punishment.  

Well, there goes Fred Phelps and a lot of other Christian "ministers".

[bull]

Ponch, I'm a little surprised to see your strong support of the First Admendment ideology coupled with a similarly strong desire to limit it. At least on this Southern Cross issue.

I have no desire whatsoever to limit freedom of speech or expression. But as I said about 17,345,987 times in this thread and the one in Off Topic, this thing with the Rebel flag is not a First Amendment issue.

If a government - federal, state, city came out and said something along the lines of "we're banning people from buying/selling/displaying the flag", then it would be a First Amendment issue and I'd be pretty pissed off about it. You know, the whole "I may not agree with what you're saying, but I defend your right to say it" thing.

In a way, lashing out at eBay, Amazon, whoever else doesn't want to sell Confederate stuff anymore, is lashing out at their right to speak about and express their dislike for the confederate flags.

Ok so a government "of the people, by the people and for the people" limiting speech/expression, forcibly, on behalf of the people regardless of their opinion, is good? But those same people complaining about Ebay limiting their methods of expressing free speech is self destructive? Do you see the dichotomy there?

[MAC]

I've read all 7 pages and I see where some are stating that this is issue is a decision that the government is deciding for the people. The majority of the people do not want the confederate flag taken down ...Special Interest groups do as I respectfully disagree, this issue and many more are being made by special interest groups and our wimpy legislatures are bowing down to their pressure of Special Interest groups. Example a pole today came out that only 25% of the people believe the country is heading in the right direction, 67% believe it is not, and the will of the people is NOT being considered,  we have the affordable healthcare act  shoved down the throats of the entire nation when the majority of the people do not want it??? Special Interest that's how, the supreme court took it upon them selves to rewrite the bill to keep it alive. Again today the supreme court passes into law for all 50 states same sex marriage despite what the 50 states laws already in place for themselves. Special Interests that's how.
We have race baiters such as Louis Farrakhan, Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton that have NEVER held a real job in their entire lives but made millions by spreading  hate and discontent among the general population of this great nation to create a divide among us instead of healing and unity of a nation. Special Interest that's how.
The Supreme court has really over stepped their ground this week by passing into laws what they have written instead of upholding legislations submitted to them to interrupt. Since when did the supreme court start writing laws, this is our elected officials responsibilities??? How is it that our government can have secret negations' with each other behind closed door meetings  proposing bills before congress and we don't know what is in the bills until they are passed into laws???  health care, new trade pacific trade bill?? Where did the transparency go? Last time I voted I was still under the impression that my elected politicians worked for the people that elected them? This is obviously not true this day and time....it is Special Interest Groups that now run the country and we have the spineless politicians in their pockets to prove it. This is nor a republican/democrat issue it's unfortunately all of them, the conclusion to be made from this is we have the best government money can buy plain and simple. The American people deserve this kind of treatment because we as a people don't have the electoral moxxy to kick their asses out of office, The majority of the people living in this country live on the dole in some way or another, do you think it is in their best interest to kick the politicians out of office that is giving them their government subsidies .... of course not .... I do believe we have legitimate good people in need of assistance but not the majority of a nation. If our politicians had our best interest at heart they would pass a law that if you don't work or own property in this country you cant vote. But then we wouldn't have the best government in the world that MONEY could buy now would we.... we deserve what we elect as a people garbage in ---garbage out
Ladies and gents it's past time to take the garbage out....

[ACUDANUT]

We are going no where here. 

[bull]

We are going no where here. 

Of course. And nothing decided here will change anything. It's just free speech.

[skip68]

You watch, the next targets will be museum art or movies.  Far as majority, what majority?   Did I miss something?   I wasn't asked my opinion.   Was anyone else?     Well said Mac.   
Al Sharpton.      That man right there in my opinion is one of the biggest problems the black community has.  That's one racist piece of ship just looking to start trouble.   That dudes a Frickin leach.   

[ACUDANUT]

I'M putting a China flag on my Charger. Don't we, "our government" owe them 95,780 billion  dollars .  
However if we stop paying S. Korea (100M) a year for having a base there (to protect them.lol) and Japan (500 M) to protect them, and don't forget the 100k plus troops we lost in the Korea War for nothing., I see no end to this madness.  Why do we pay for their protection. 

[RECHRGD]

Mac, where's the like button?

[skip68]

Very accurate Mac.   Anyway, back to the actual topic.  If eBay won't permit General Lee's to be sold does this mean some of these dealer/builders are going to start trying to sell on our website?       This should be interesting

[mrsskip68]

 

[69wannabe]

 

[mrsskip68]

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/memphis-mayor-wants-to-dig-up-dead-confederate-war-general.html

Sorry for that crappy link. This one should be better!

[skip68]

Looks like it's blowing over real well.  Like I said and I was right, this is opening doors to much more trouble.   I'm just curious how the millions of southerners are going to respond in the next few days and weeks.   Some can't see what's happening and that this has been building for years either because they're young or inexperienced or not capable of seeing it.   Or maybe all three.   Doesn't matter.   We will be hearing more of how all these things are repressing the black man when in truth they're doing it to themselves just fine for years.  They don't need us to keep them down.   

[K9COP]

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If only you could huh... your power is limited to the streets. You are out of your jurisdiction!

[Ghoste]

Largely this time we've been able to have a useful discussion about a politicized issue as it relates to a specific television Charger.  So mostly on topic and an important one too I think.  I haven't looked at the one going on in the off topic forum.

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Now that the sales of confederate flag have been banned the only way you can buy now is through the Black Market. How ironic.