69 charger

[blinkey]

 I was looking at a 69 RT on ebay cause I want to buy one but this car has a colunm shifter, is that normal for these cars

[myk]

Normal as in were some of them built that way from the factory?  The answer is yes...

[blinkey]

 Is that a good thing?

[Ghoste]

More of them were built with column shift than without.  Now how many still exist that way is a different question altogether, and it is neither a good thing nor a bad thing.

[Pat1973charger]

My 69 rt was a column shift originally with buckets and a buddu seat instead of console. Im thinking it'll be 4speed when done with a console.

[myk]

Is that a good thing?

That's up to you.  What do you want in the Charger that you buy?  Or does it even matter?  When I was Charger shopping I didn't give it a thought, but now I'm glad I bought a console equipped car.  Choose your version and go from there.

Post a link to the auction?

[polywideblock]

is this it        http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dodge-Charger-R-T-SE-/111680652689?forcerrptr=true&hash=item1a00af8591&item=111680652689

[Donks01]

Looks like a fun builder to me!

[blinkey]

  Ya thats the car. I liked it til I just noticed it was colum shift.  Do you guys think that car is a good deal at 11000.00? cause I have no idea I just started looking. For me 11000 is 13,500 plus shipping 2500 Canadian,,,,our dollar sucks. So for me to buy that car and get it in my driveway   16,000,,,Oh sorry plus tax 13%

[Daytona R/T SE]

 Ya thats the car. I liked it til I just noticed it was colum shift.  Do you guys think that car is a good deal at 11000.00? cause I have no idea I just started looking. For me 11000 is 13,500 plus shipping 2500 Canadian,,,,our dollar sucks. So for me to buy that car and get it in my driveway   16,000,,,Oh sorry plus tax 13%

Add $25,000 in metal work and $15,000 for body work and paint...

[blinkey]

  your right, I might just leave it patina,,,its cheaper

[Ghoste]

You'd be better off to spend more money on a nicer car.  If you can't, you can't and my hat is off to all the people who take on the projects because they keep the pool filled but you have to know what you're getting into.
What part of Canada are you in?

[Daytona R/T SE]

your right, I might just leave it patina,,,its cheaper

Stop watching those car shows on TV.  

"Patina" just means it looks like shit.  

Besides, when a car is as rusty as the car in that auction...

It will probably have structural issues.  

[blinkey]

      So you would say its over priced?

[Ghoste]

It's hard to say when you can't see it in person.  Always err on the side of caution and assume every e-bay seller is a scam artist.  It's good to be able to picture the finished product in your mind but look for the lie in the ad, imagine he's trying to rip you off.

[tan top]

 Hello & welcome  



looks a good project  ,    too much already IMO    

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,118066.0.html

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[VegasCharger]

Hello and welcome

Well it's gonna go for more than $11,000 due to the "Reserve" not met. Plus there are 20 active bids on it as of this reply so I'm sure it will get bumped even higher with two days to go.

The nice thing about it, it's a complete running true 1969 Charger R/T numbers matching with no mods. However total sheet metal overhaul is in order. But worth it due to it's badging.

Big project to take on but it can be done.

Good luck on your search.

[Daytona R/T SE]

     So you would say its over priced?

If you enjoy this sort of thing and can do all the work yourself, you might come out alright on this one.

If it doesn't go much higher.

But...

I'm guessing you don't have a fully equipped shop, and all the tools and equipment to work with.

How much experience do you have rebuilding a unibody car from the ground up ?

Do you have every evening and weekend to spend working on it for a few YEARS ?  

[tan top]

     So you would say its over priced?

If you enjoy this sort of thing and can do all the work yourself, you might come out alright on this one.

If it doesn't go much higher.

But...

I'm guessing you don't have a fully equipped shop, and all the tools and equipment to work with.

How much experience do you have rebuilding a unibody car from the ground up ?

Do you have every evening and weekend to spend working on it for a few YEARS ?  

     

  if you can do all the work your self just pay for parts , & you don't mind loosing a few years of your life ,      if your  going to pay someone skilled to do it  , going to get expencive really quickly to do a good factory appearing job 

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[blinkey]

   I can do some mechanical, wireing, but not body,,,,maybe I should look at something a little more ,,,unrusted, I cant believe that theres hardly ant 69s for sale

[Patronus]

I don't know man, that car's looking pretty rough for $11K. I know its original and all but..
I paid $8K for a complete running (after I replaced the gas tank, etc) '69 that needed wheel lips and a hood.
Not an R/T, no... but still...

[blinkey]

      I think I need to have patience, Ive only been looking for 2wks, but you know how it is when you have the itch

[Daytona R/T SE]

      I think I need to have patience, Ive only been looking for 2wks, but you know how it is when you have the itch

Patience.

I've been working on mine, off and on...

For 20  years.

[Bronzedodge]

Missing it's A/C compressor, refrig lines, maybe the evaporator?  Don't see the evap stubs on the firewall.  That stuff can be hard too find or fabricate.

[Ghoste]

If you've only been looking for 2 weeks, then yes, have patience.

[cavemanno1]

I have been following that auction as well!So 25k would be to do the bodywork,15k paint,interior 6-7k,suspension,steering,wiring let's say 3-4k plus the little things 2k!
So to get a car restored by a shop it would take almost 50-55k???That is crazy! Why would anyone do that not to just buy one restored already?
Or am i missing something?

[Dan T]

   I can do some mechanical, wireing, but not body,,,,maybe I should look at something a little more ,,,unrusted, I cant believe that theres hardly ant 69s for sale

Make sure you know what you are getting into before you start. With that car, you are looking at least 50k Canadian to buy it, and restore it properly..
I've seen too many guys lose their ass on a car like that, make sure you make an educated buy before you put down the cash. you'll enjoy it more in the end 

[blinkey]

   Thanks Dan,,,if you see a good deal please let me know

[Dan T]

weareabouts are you located? Are you in the GTA?

[blinkey]

 YES,,,just east Whitby

[myk]

If you've only been looking for 2 weeks, then yes, have patience.

Yeah man.  Even when these cars filled the Auto Trader at 4 figure prices you still had to look for the right one...

[Mike DC]

 
Fast, good, cheap.  

You can always have any two of the three.

[Ghoste]

So true Myk.

[six-tee-nine]

That car needs quarters, rear valence + end caps and probably new trunk floor.

My roof looked the same and was to flimsy / pitted to save so in the worst case it'll need a new roof also, add some floor pans and you'll be looking at some extensive body work.
Needs to be done on a rotisserie to make the job easier.

On the otherhand if you have patience you can spread the restoration cost over a few years and end up with a very desirable #'s matching RT/SE.
You wont make money out of it if you need to outsource all the body work. You maybe even wont make money out of it if you do it yourself, but hey is that why we are in the hobby?

I myself could not afford a car completely or partially restored. and I'm not ashamed to admit that. Will I ever recoup the total cost of my restoration? not a chance, but in the end I end up with something that still is worth a nice dime If I would be forced to sell and on the otherhand I get a nice car in return for my hard work that I can enjoy while its mine.

So, if you can handle the task why not go for it, but dont expect to be driving next summer. If you have the funds to complete such a task in 12 moths, you can better buy one done.

[70 sublime]

I guess it all depends on why you have to have a 69 R/T
How many Dodge Chargers have you ever gone to look at ?
How old are you ?
Are you in your 20-30s or in the 50 plus range (time is running out to get a big project done and still have time to enjoy it)
Have you ever fixed up a car before ?

If this is your first project and you are younger pick up any 68 69 70 Charger you can afford with a good frame and start working on it
You do not have to keep for ever it if it is not the dream machine you are looking for but you will learn with hands on experience and know what a better one looks like at a good price when it comes along

I live in Port Hope and my daughter lives in Whitby so you are not too far away 
I can show you what to look for between good bad and ugly if you are ever out this way

David

[blinkey]

David give me a call , it would be great to talk to you,,905-706-2747  Jon

[RallyeMike]

Is it your goal to restore a Charger, or do you just want to be the proud owner of one? This one is a huge time and money pit - right for the right person, but not for all. It needs floors, trunk, quarters, valance, roof & other patches, the entire interior is shot, and certainly 100% of the mechanicals need to be gone through. For what it costs to restore one (unless you are doing the work yourself), it actually makes the most sense time and dollar-wise to save your money and buy a completed or more rust free car.

[blinkey]

    Thanks Mike I apprieciate that. I think Im looking for a car that runs half decent and if the interior has some rips thats OK. Body to have some surface rust OK, maybe needs new tires, brakes, exhaust, rad so thats the storey. I think Im gonna have a hard time cause Im looking everywhere everyday, just waiting for a lead

[Mike DC]

   
You have your eye out for that, and so does everyone else in the Mopar hobby . . . for the last 20+ years . . .

[blinkey]

     I know this old guy out in BC I bought my last car from him and he owns about 150 old cars its amazing all in 3 barns, bumper to bumper, I just emailed him to see if he has anything, so Ill wait for his reply

[Dino]

I've restored many cars in the past and have owned several old cars, including a few Chargers.  That R/T is going to be a massive money pit.  I suggest finding a car that is, or can quickly become, a dependable daily driver type car.  My car has a few issues as well but nothing major and I drive the tires off of it.  I seriously doubt I will ever do a full resto on it as I don't have to worry about the occasional scratch or ding.  Not that it ever happens outside of my garage but I digress...

I found my car locally by placing a wanted ad on Craigslist.  The seller had no intention of selling until he saw my ad so give that a shot.  Be clear on what you want; figure out what yoiu have to have in a Charger and where you can compromise.  I don't understand the whole R/T thing unless it is nostalgic.  I can't pay thousands more because it has a different VIN but if it matters to you then don't settle for less.

I spent many months looking until I found "the one".  Ironically the only cars I could find were rare option cars.  One was a one owner R/T 4 speed for less than $30K in very nice shape, but of course I'm the one guy that doesn't want that.  

I found mine after many months of looking.  Don't settle for less, your car is out there.

[RallyeMike]

As said here, the key really is patience. Keep saving. Keep looking. Sooner or later the savings path and and looking path cross and a car you are happy with is in the garage.

[Patronus]

      I think I need to have patience, Ive only been looking for 2wks, but you know how it is when you have the itch

Shit, I wasn't even looking, I ran across it randomly on Craigslist. When you got the itch you usually can't find anything... 

[Ghoste]

Is the BC guy all Mopars Blinkey or does he have a variety of things stuffed in there?

[blinkey]

   No not a mopar guy, his stuff is all mixed

[Ghoste]

Interesting.  Getting off topic on you a bit, but I always wonder about the back story with guys such as that.  You know, just the whole how did all of those cars come together that way. 

[blinkey]

  I wish I had pictures, you wouldn t believe what I saw, but alot were 4drs

[cavemanno1]

Guys,i was just wondering how much would the sheetmetal cost to fix that car up?Just a rough estimate?

[Ghoste]

Most of it can be had through AMD so if you are just wondering about a parts price, a quick trip through their catalog will get you there.

[cavemanno1]

Thanks!

I was going to bid on it and i wanted get a quick estimate!My fingers were itchy to get a charger already but the seller didn't respond back to me at all about the underside pictures!He went all out to shot a video and show the car well but not one single pictures of the underside and frames? 
$14,2k reserve not met!How much he wanted for it,20k?

[VegasCharger]

WOW buyers stood on their ground on this one. Usually it's the other way around.

So yea Cavemanno he could've had it set a 20k

[cavemanno1]

I need a car like that because labour is $16-17/hour over here in Hungary,cheap in your standard not so much in ours,and every car i saw had bondo all over it so they would have needed to be stripped down to bare metal anyway!
If we could have seen the frame rails and the underside of it i would have bid on it!

[Ghoste]

I`m kind of wondering what the hidden stuff looks like myself, is he hiding something or was he right to hold out for more money?

[six-tee-nine]

I need a car like that because labour is $16-17/hour over here in Hungary,cheap in your standard not so much in ours,and every car i saw had bondo all over it so they would have needed to be stripped down to bare metal anyway!
If we could have seen the frame rails and the underside of it i would have bid on it!

And what about parts? Buying all that sheetmetal including shipping and paying import fees and taxes is another thing.
Once the stuff you buy doesnt fit in a US postal box most stuff goes out with UPS. i can tell you out of my own expierience that $500 shipping costs for an average package seems to be the going rate.....

My AMD roofshell was seafreight because with something like UPS (=airfreight) the shipping price would have been more than the cost of the part.
And over here we pay 21% import tax on goods INCLUDING freight costs, so $500 for parts and another $500 for shipping makes $ 210 import tax, then add some customs handling fees and I'm out of almost $1300 for a $ 500 part...

[six-tee-nine]

Just another idea, i know of some guys that bought a project car, that flew over to the states.
Check out the car yourself, make it a holiday, buy as much parts for the car as you can and stuff them in the car before you put in the sea container.

That saves a large buck on future shiping and you could also avoid some import fees if you let the invoices for the parts you bought "dissapear".