Title and Selling Charger

GTP1500 · May 24, 2015, 08:11:57 PM

Well I decided that I didn't want to be the "I'm going to fix it someday" guy so I've decided to sell my 69.
My question is that I bought it in the early 90's and the owner signed the title over but I haven't signed it on the buyers line, would I need to get it in my name before selling? Open to any input....

Thanks

lukedukem · May 24, 2015, 08:14:54 PM

I did that as well on my jeep I bought back from my cousin. There should be a place to put a date as well. I was told when I go get it out in my name to put a date on it close to current date. That's Texas though. Not sure about your states

Luke

GTP1500 · May 24, 2015, 08:18:13 PM

KS and it was early 90's ....it's such a long time back when we had to have titles notarized.

skip68 · May 24, 2015, 08:58:07 PM

That should be considered an open title and the buyer can sign it.

adauto · May 24, 2015, 09:03:59 PM

Agreed...

GTP1500 · May 24, 2015, 09:05:03 PM

I hope that's the case, if not I've heard taxes need paid from the date signed.
I just couldn't imagine when someone finds an old car somewhere that's not been tagged for years that someone has to pay back taxes..... I like the whole idea of the open title ready to sign.

Ghoste · May 24, 2015, 09:37:11 PM

I've never heard of that but I Suppose when it comes to a government authority trying to come up with ways to fill the coffers you never know.

GTP1500 · May 24, 2015, 09:57:02 PM

funny when I have been at the DMV on three separate occasions taking care of other business I ask about it and they cant give me an idea on the $ amount, I often wondered if I was standing there ready to get it in my name how they would have figured it then.

ws23rt · May 24, 2015, 10:33:47 PM

Taxes? --Which state or states require a tax be paid on an old car?

In Oregon I have to pay a tax on the (counties) value of my (paid for) home. I guess they think that even though I paid for my home with after tax money I should continue to pay more every year for ever just because.

Is this the same kinda thing for old cars in some states?

Hmm

---could this be some part of the reason cars hide in barns? Could they be seized and sold for taxes owed like can be done with my home if I didn't pay?

Just thinking, wondering, and venting

---So what's next-- a tax on my (non electric) lawn mower?--- :brickwall

GTP1500 · May 24, 2015, 10:45:31 PM

My county said I'd have penalties and back taxes to pay starting from 1992 to now, the neighboring county said they would only go three years back.... Should be the same state rules just misinformed DMV folks.

Daytona R/T SE · May 24, 2015, 10:51:19 PM

Quote from: GTP1500 on May 24, 2015, 10:45:31 PM
My county said I'd have penalties and back taxes to pay starting from 1992 to now, the neighboring county said they would only go three years back.... Should be the same state rules just misinformed DMV folks.

Did the previous owner date the title when he signed it ?

How much do you want for it ?

stripedelete · May 24, 2015, 10:55:17 PM

Called "jumping title" around here. Technically not legal, but it's done. I saw it become an issue once in a case of buyer"s remorse.

GTP1500 · May 24, 2015, 11:07:56 PM

Unfortunately it is signed and notarized. Title jumping doesn't sound like a good idea.
I haven't decided if I should put a price on it and put on craigslist or auction on ebay.

ws23rt · May 24, 2015, 11:17:53 PM

What state?

DMV is a Gov run entity in any state and therefore cannot be relied on for accurate information or bottom line (where one stands) information. I've been told by a judge in court that I need to comply with whatever DMV says.

Aside from the tax topic but about the DMV.-----I have a 69 coronet that I have had for 35 years. When I bought insurance (before I drove it) and got current registration. I encountered on intrusion from DMV.
They did a random check of insurance coverage. It showed a non covered period of time and sent me a letter of suspension of my drivers license.
My insurance agent was at fault for this but I spent hundreds of dollars and time in court to unravel all this and DMV was never in any way helpful. I had to buy special insurance for a year on top of my regular (full coverage) because of this.

I feel the need to repeat --- that when in court about this the judge said----Do not neglect what the DMV says you need to do!!! Right or wrong is of no matter.

GTP1500 · May 24, 2015, 11:29:06 PM

Kansas...... I don't have any faith in my DMV, when I purchased a truck I had a $13,000 trade in, when I went to get my tags and pay taxes they tried to tax the trucks full price, I had to argue for ten minutes that I only pay tax on the price minus my trade in, she finally went to her supervisor and it was done correctly. Another truck, I was sold a bogus warranty that I had removed but they charged me tax on the $3,500 for the removed warranty. Later I was reimbursed but its like that almost every time and why its hard for me to take their word for anything.

RallyeMike · May 25, 2015, 02:44:01 PM

The answer depends on your State, or even more so - the State (or country) that the buyer is from. If it's relatively easy for you, I'd suggest transferring it into your name to make it attractive to the widest range of buyers. The statement "Clear title in my name" is a helluva sales tool.

The term around here for buying a car and then passing it along without transferring title is called "curb-stoning", and it is illegal (though not really enforced much). If I buy any car of any vintage without a clear title I have to have to have it inspected by the State Patrol and wait 3 years to get an actual title. If your title is not clear to me as a buyer, you may be trimming people like me out of the market.

I'm actually going through this right now with a junker that was last titled in an adjacent State. It's a pain in the azz. If a car I'm looking at has a title that is questionable, I'm not bothering unless it's a smokin deal.

GTP1500 · May 29, 2015, 02:07:52 PM

So I called the State DMV and was told I need to contact my county for an idea of late fees or penalties. The State lady did tell me since its an antique I could apply for a non use antique title.

I call my local DMV and was told "that's going to be hard to figure and our lines are long, so it will be next week before we can figure it out...we will call you."

Hindsight 20/20 in 1990 I would have put it in my name........

skip68 · May 29, 2015, 02:38:55 PM

It's been so long that it should be out of the system. Just go in and file for a lost title. Problem solved.

GTP1500 · May 29, 2015, 05:42:52 PM

I'd imagine that it would have to be sent to the the guy that I purchased it from and hope he "chose" to sign the new one to me.

The state informed me that as far as they're concerned it belongs to the guy from 1990, so I'll end up paying the penalties and just do it the right way then sell it.

stripedelete · May 29, 2015, 07:15:41 PM

Quote from: GTP1500 on May 29, 2015, 05:42:52 PM
I'd imagine that it would have to be sent to the the guy that I purchased it from and hope he "chose" to sign the new one to me.

The state informed me that as far as they're concerned it belongs to the guy from 1990, so I'll end up paying the penalties and just do it the right way then sell it.

Most states didn't have penalties until the last 5 or 10 years, so they may not be to bad.

GTP1500 · June 08, 2015, 08:39:57 PM

Tomorrow I will be going to get my title taken care of....
After making a few calls and pinning them down they looked in to it and my best bet seems to be an off road antique title, only goes back three years on that one.

skip68 · June 08, 2015, 09:11:49 PM

Cool. Shouldn't be that bad then.

GTP1500 · June 09, 2015, 01:19:45 PM

Done deal, now we wait for it in the mail.
Now the big question will be pricing....I sure don't want to end up on the forum in the dillusional Charger seller section lol. Going to get some detailed pics but a freaking wasp got me so my new mission is killing that son of a #*/$*!!!!!

ACUDANUT · June 09, 2015, 01:28:06 PM

Quote from: skip68 on May 24, 2015, 08:58:07 PM
That should be considered an open title and the buyer can sign it.

DO it, who is going to know ?

68pplcharger · June 09, 2015, 01:53:47 PM

Quote from: ws23rt on May 24, 2015, 11:17:53 PM
What state?

DMV is a Gov run entity in any state and therefore cannot be relied on for accurate information or bottom line (where one stands) information. I've been told by a judge in court that I need to comply with whatever DMV says.

Aside from the tax topic but about the DMV.-----I have a 69 coronet that I have had for 35 years. When I bought insurance (before I drove it) and got current registration. I encountered on intrusion from DMV.
They did a random check of insurance coverage. It showed a non covered period of time and sent me a letter of suspension of my drivers license.
My insurance agent was at fault for this but I spent hundreds of dollars and time in court to unravel all this and DMV was never in any way helpful. I had to buy special insurance for a year on top of my regular (full coverage) because of this.

I feel the need to repeat --- that when in court about this the judge said----Do not neglect what the DMV says you need to do!!! Right or wrong is of no matter.

Sorry for the Highjack of the thread, but Wow that sounds like a PITA... Kentucky you just get a title only and then don't have to worry about insurance. I've owned my charger for nine years now and just pay about 5 bucks in tax every year since the car isn't registered for road use.

GTP1500 · June 09, 2015, 08:11:18 PM

A few pics.

http://s558.photobucket.com/user/gtp1500/embed/slideshow/Charger

skip68 · June 09, 2015, 09:09:14 PM

I thought I saw the build sheet in one of those pictures behind were the back seat goes into the trunk. If so, make sure you grab it and put it in a clear plastic sleeve. Don't fold it and be careful handling it. Looks like a $6,000 to $8,000 car to me. I'd estimate you're in the $7,000 range for price.

Good luck with it.

GTP1500 · June 09, 2015, 10:16:33 PM

Ill have to take a look in the morning and see what it is, I don't remember seeing anything like that though, possibly just a piece of the cardboard that separates the trunk from the interior?

Thought I'd put the fender tag on, its a 383 4bbl console shift.

skip68 · June 09, 2015, 10:51:30 PM

Never mind. I just went through them all again and it was the trunk I was seeing. Sorry but at a glance on my phone it looked like the build sheet.

GTP1500 · June 09, 2015, 10:56:07 PM

No prob, I've appreciated any and all input with my predicament.

GTP1500 · June 12, 2015, 02:43:02 PM

So would Cars Online be the best place to put it? I've been reading through the forum and it sounds like it can be a nightmare selling a Charger, maybe a little different than selling a Grand Prix....

GTP1500 · June 26, 2015, 11:14:44 PM

And still waiting...... Figure wouldn't be cool to sell it and say the title is in the mail.

GTP1500 · July 01, 2015, 09:32:41 PM

Well the DMV let me down, big surprise...... June 9 was good to go I thought, now I get a call from them that I need to sign a document stating the car doesn't have insurance before they even send it off to Topeka to be processed.

ACUDANUT · July 02, 2015, 11:40:55 AM

Just ask for title only and sign the doc. Your almost there.

GTP1500 · July 02, 2015, 02:56:24 PM

I signed it and asked nicely if they could expedite it.

So who wants to buy a charger?

skip68 · July 02, 2015, 03:01:13 PM

I think you should advertise it here for $8k obo. I think you'll sell it no problem.

JB400 · July 02, 2015, 04:03:03 PM

I agree. Several people here always looking for a 2nd gen.

GTP1500 · July 02, 2015, 04:34:54 PM

ACUDANUT · July 03, 2015, 01:13:36 PM

I'll give you 3K today.

GTP1500 · July 06, 2015, 12:04:47 PM

Well I couldn't believe it but the title came today so title in hand!!!!!!!!!!!

Ghoste · July 06, 2015, 12:06:21 PM

Awesome!!

Daytona R/T SE · July 10, 2015, 09:41:49 AM

So...

How much did it sell for ?

GTP1500 · July 11, 2015, 12:14:14 AM

I let her go for 6.
Sounds like going to a good home in Fl, his first 69 Charger....

stripedelete · July 11, 2015, 07:46:15 AM

Quote from: GTP1500 on July 11, 2015, 12:14:14 AM
I let her go for 6.
Sounds like going to a good home in Fl, his first 69 Charger....

you did well.

Daytona R/T SE · July 11, 2015, 10:15:25 AM

Quote from: GTP1500 on July 11, 2015, 12:14:14 AM
I let her go for 6.
Sounds like going to a good home in Fl, his first 69 Charger....

Excellent !

I'm trying to get an idea of the current value of 2nd Generation Charger project cars.

I've got a few...

Thanks !

1970Moparmann · July 11, 2015, 11:16:28 AM

Quote from: ws23rt on May 24, 2015, 10:33:47 PM
Taxes? --Which state or states require a tax be paid on an old car?

Illinois rapes people if you buy from a dealer. If it is a private owner, they just changed it to a flat rate. I did the same thing with my Coronet. I didn't put it in my name for 9 years, the only saving grace I had was it was purchased out of state. If you buy a car in IL, you have 30 days to title it in your name. If you don't, there is an escalating tax rate as a penalty. Luckily, I just had to pay the state tax, which was a crap load!

GTP1500 · July 11, 2015, 06:38:35 PM

The only thing as I understood that saved me from not paying penalties was titling antique off road.

GTP1500 · July 11, 2015, 10:18:08 PM

Now I'll be "Chargerless" I'm going to possibly join a Corvair forum.... ya know those odd rear engine air cooled thingys.....

JB400 · July 11, 2015, 10:20:28 PM

You're still welcome here.

Ownership isn't a requirement, just a benefit.

GTP1500 · July 11, 2015, 11:42:11 PM

Thanks, kind of

since I don't have one..... The worst part is I've never even driven or ridden in a Charger.
If the Charger show is in El Dorado, KS again I need to bum a quick ride in one.

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