unrestored 69 charger ----- 33 thousand miles

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     ...  for a unrestored car , some bits look  too  new imo  , still awesome car looking at the pictures    , hope the bumble be strip don't damage the paint or its been on there a long time  



http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dodge-Charger-FREE-ENCLOSED-SHIPPING-WITH-BUY-IT-NOW-/221771327578?forcerrptr=true&hash=item33a299e85a&item=221771327578

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[Cncguy]

Where did the R/T badging and stripes come from? Not original!

[Al]

XP ... definitely no R/T stripes

[six-tee-nine]

Howcome you see every single Charger with an unrestored dash cluster has a faded speedo face plate and this "survivor" does'nt.

Another thing bugging me is when you see GG's name added to an advertisement, the price triples....

IMO just someone who partially restored this one but did'nt want to spend the money on new paint.
I think we are going to have to sit this "survivor" era out till they are really gone so sellers will stop this crap themselves....

As a side note I think it still is a very good looking car that deserves a good home but I guess at that reserve price it wont go anywhere....

[Shakey]

"I'm not going to go into a long winded description..." 

Nice car but the story doesn't match the pictures.  Is there a red flag smiley?   

[Cncguy]

No but this one

[myk]

R/T 383, a holy grail indeed lol...

[JB400]

Y4 just isn't that appealing of a color.

[Challenger340]

[Ghoste]

We've discussed this car before have we not?

[1970gator]

This is nit picky to be sure, but at the very least that trunk has had some fresh paint applied.  The rust stains on the bottom of the trunk mat appear to correspond with the rusty, rough places on the trunk floor, but they are bright gold rather than nice rusty brown.  Though the originality may be a bit embellished, I'd still park it in my garage! 

[5hunert]

I've seen the "curley" at the top of the grease penciled "C" on broadcast sheets from other 69 Chargers (here's once from Nov. 20, 1968).  Is there a significance to that or was there one guy doing a lot of cars who had unique handwriting?

[Challenger340]

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Yessiree, looks like old "curly" with the uniquely formed "C" on Broadcast Sheets was doing all of them ?

Here is mine, same / same distinctive "C" as yours, and done the same day Nov 23rd 1968 by "curly" at work, same day as the one in the Charger Ad.

I've seen the "curley" at the top of the grease penciled "C" on broadcast sheets from other 69 Chargers (here's once from Nov. 20, 1968).  Is there a significance to that or was there one guy doing a lot of cars who had unique handwriting?

 have the same , on mine  ! all be it CRX ,

 my SPD was /is  22nd November 1968 - B22  , 

got to be the same Guy !! on all the Hamtramck 69 charger broad cast sheets ,  that has had the trim code  crayoned across it , its  the same writing style  ( not all Hamtramck sheets ive seen had them though  , may be , the ones with out the trim code written across it, were for a different department   & or these sheets were found in a different place to the rear seat back ,   one more thing , ive see on one  69 charger broad  broadcast sheet , from the  Hamtramck assembly plant  ,  the trim code written it Crayon ,& it was  a different style    only one I've ever seen that style of writing .
 (i'm far from a expert on this stuff , just my own observations   ...)

[cdr]

curly did my 68 also.

[ACUDANUT]

XP ... definitely no R/T stripes

Another scammer.

[5hunert]

It is interesting how the discription never calls the car an R/T, but never mentions the R/T headlight tag or the tail stripe. I guess that way if a newb buys it and is surprised to find out later it's not a real R/T, the seller can always claim he never said it was.

[c00nhunterjoe]

Just because its pretty, doesnt mean its been restored.

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Yessiree, looks like old "curly" with the uniquely formed "C" on Broadcast Sheets was doing all of them ?

Here is mine, same / same distinctive "C" as yours, and done the same day Nov 23rd 1968 by "curly" at work, same day as the one in the Charger Ad.

I've seen the "curley" at the top of the grease penciled "C" on broadcast sheets from other 69 Chargers (here's once from Nov. 20, 1968).  Is there a significance to that or was there one guy doing a lot of cars who had unique handwriting?

  have the same , on mine  ! all be it CRX ,

  my SPD was /is  22nd November 1968 - B22  , 

got to be the same Guy !! on all the Hamtramck 69 charger broad cast sheets ,  that has had the trim code  crayoned across it , its  the same writing style  ( not all Hamtramck sheets ive seen had them though  , may be , the ones with out the trim code written across it, were for a different department  & or these sheets were found in a different place to the rear seat back ,   one more thing , ive see on one  69 charger broad  broadcast sheet , from the  Hamtramck assembly plant  ,  the trim code written it Crayon ,& it was  a different style     only one I've ever seen that style of writing .
  (i'm far from a expert on this stuff , just my own observations  ...)

My 4/30/69 SPD sheet has the curly C also

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Yessiree, looks like old "curly" with the uniquely formed "C" on Broadcast Sheets was doing all of them ?

Here is mine, same / same distinctive "C" as yours, and done the same day Nov 23rd 1968 by "curly" at work, same day as the one in the Charger Ad.

I've seen the "curley" at the top of the grease penciled "C" on broadcast sheets from other 69 Chargers (here's once from Nov. 20, 1968).  Is there a significance to that or was there one guy doing a lot of cars who had unique handwriting?

 have the same , on mine  ! all be it CRX ,

 my SPD was /is  22nd November 1968 - B22  ,  

got to be the same Guy !! on all the Hamtramck 69 charger broad cast sheets ,  that has had the trim code  crayoned across it , its  the same writing style  ( not all Hamtramck sheets ive seen had them though  , may be , the ones with out the trim code written across it, were for a different department   & or these sheets were found in a different place to the rear seat back ,   one more thing , ive see on one  69 charger broad  broadcast sheet , from the  Hamtramck assembly plant  ,  the trim code written it Crayon ,& it was  a different style    only one I've ever seen that style of writing .
 (i'm far from a expert on this stuff , just my own observations   ...)

My 4/30/69 SPD sheet has the curly C also

 , just for reference  ,  heres the broadcast sheet with ! different  trim code writing  imo    thought sure it was a C500  , but  looks like I was remembering it wrong  

second picture  , back to  normal Curly C guy

[Challenger340]

I should go pull my 2nd Broadcast Sheet above the Glove Box, and see if "Curly" wrote on it.
I "felt" it there by hand a couple of years ago....
but I never pulled it for fear of tearing it or screwing it up, because I figured one day I would carefully remove the glove box itself to access it, so as not to damage anything.

"Curly" was a busy guy ! Who'd have thunk 47 odd years later "Curly" would be notable ?

[Bob T]

curly did my 68 also.

Same here.
Kinda cool eh. Hadn't even considered it until Ghoste raised it.
Will put up a pic tomorrow

Edit. Added sheet
September 7th 1967 Shipping number 110853 XS29L8B124308

[Ghoste]

I can't take credit for it Bob, it's some interesting trivia I'm just learning about myself.

[six-tee-nine]

Mine is exactly like this one....

[66FBCharger]

Mine has the curly C also. SPD of B06.

[wingcar]

I believe everything in the ad to be true....oh, wait...I need to go offline for a while as I see a couple of black helicopters hovering over my house. 

(Very nice car, but there are many questions......)

[Ghoste]

Which is interesting because the ad states "no dreamers".

[myk]

The seller and the ad are targeting buyers that don't know any better.  Unfortunately, there are plenty of uninformed people that are just too willing to part with their hard earned money...

[Troy]

What am I missing? The seller lists the VIN and clearly states it's a 383 4bbl PLUS there's a pile of documentation - none of which says it's an R/T. In the ad text he refers to the car as an "SE". He does mention "RT/SE" clearly as a comparison. If someone were trying to be sneaky I'd say this is possibly the absolute worst example in history.

There's a badge in the grill and a stripe - something we've discussed a million times (it seems) as being ridiculously easy to reverse. What's the problem?

Troy

[Ghoste]

I think its the"original" part that is being questioned.

[68pplcharger]

lol If you look at the end of the add he lists the three changes done to the car. Might be over priced, but a garage kept car in San Diego( or any dry area of Cali) would look about this good.  

[Cncguy]

The quarter panel to roof seam is very visible, in first pic.

[Ghoste]

It is, but I've seen some others with pretty bad roof seams from the factory. 

[Challenger340]

lol If you look at the end of the add he lists the three changes done to the car. Might be over priced, but a garage kept car in San Diego( or any dry area of Cali) would look about this good.

Are the R/T style Chrome Exhaust Tips factory on the 330hp 383 Cars as well ?

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I should go pull my 2nd Broadcast Sheet above the Glove Box, and see if "Curly" wrote on it.
I "felt" it there by hand a couple of years ago....
but I never pulled it for fear of tearing it or screwing it up, because I figured one day I would carefully remove the glove box itself to access it, so as not to damage anything.

"Curly" was a busy guy ! Who'd have thunk 47 odd years later "Curly" would be notable ?

  your got one on top of the glove box liner also     good stuff , ( only had one in mine rear seat back )   be careful pulling the glove box liner , should you decide to retrieve it ! , its a  pain    , you have to squish the liner to fit it through the glove box slot in the dash frame ,   doing so the top edge of the glove box liner  scrapes the  top edge of the dash glove box opening ,   easily rip or damage broadcast sheet  , may be with a mirror or something see how its attached at the top etc & go from there 

the liner  comes out at a angle  , right side  corner comes out first , & goes in last ,

[5hunert]

My car had two sheets. The front sheet (behind the kick panel)had no marking on it, while the back seat sheet (from a different car, probably the seat was switched at birth at Creative Industries) had Curley's mark on it.

[68pplcharger]

lol If you look at the end of the add he lists the three changes done to the car. Might be over priced, but a garage kept car in San Diego( or any dry area of Cali) would look about this good.

Are the R/T style Chrome Exhaust Tips factory on the 330hp 383 Cars as well ?

It was an option as far as I know...

[Ghoste]

Bright exhaust tips were standard on the RT, except in California of course, and were N/A on the XP Chargers.

[myk]

What did California cars have instead of those bright tips?  Turn downs, I'm guessing?

[Ghoste]

Yes, turn downs.

[68pplcharger]

Good to know Ghoste, would a dealer install them if a customer wanted them anyway?

[Ghoste]

I'm sure a dealer would do just about whatever it took to sell a car. 
I think for California it might have been different for the dealers though because that was a noise pollution thing so they would have been creating an illegal car?

[hemigeno]

Didn't California-sold hemicars still get the chrome tips because of the resonators?  Seems like I've heard that was the case...

[Ghoste]

Oh?  I haven't heard that.  Interesting, anyone else know about it?

[472 R/T SE]

I can't say that I've ever seen a factory Hemi car with turn downs?   

[tcs69rt]

Wytheville Virginia was home to Dr. Charles Pepper, who came up with the formula for Dr. Pepper soda 

I'm full of worthless info today!

[Ghoste]

I always thought he was mythical character for marketing like Unlce Ben or Kim Kardashian.