questions for the mopar guru

[Stegs]

I have a few questions about mopars, wondering if you guys could help me out

1. What years could you get a 440 + 6 in a charger? (i think 70 and 71 only)

2. If you ordered a 69.5 super bee or road runner with the factory lift off hood, you could only get a 440+6 right? hemi was not a option with the lift off hood?

3. Production numbers - What color was the least bought for the 1969 charger? (least popular by production) most popular color option?

4. was the slant 6 really a option for a charger in 69? Could you get the /6 in 1968 or 1970?


these are all just questions i have wondered about...

[tan top]

 

 1 =  yes only 70 & 71  , although  there is a 72 charger with a factory installed 440 six pack , think it might be 2 cars   , must of been a real early build , 440 sixpack was discontinued for the 72 model year  

2 =   69 & a half A12 cars were 440 sixpack / barrel motors only  from the factory ,  

3  =  least popular color I recon  on a 69 was / is  A4 silver , was extra cost option , I believe most popular Green  or blue or bronze 

4  =   /6

         1968  XP chargers  904 were slant 6
         1969  XP chargers  462 were slant 6
         1970  XH chargers 181  were slant 6
         1970  XP chargers  28   were slant 6

i'm far from a expert ,    I await to be corrected on any of this        

[Stegs]

 1 =  yes only 70 & 71  , although  there is a 72 charger with a factory installed 440 six pack , think it might be 2 cars   , must of been a real early build , 440 sixpack was discontinued for the 72 model year  

2 =   69 & a half A12 cars were 440 sixpack / barrel motors only  from the factory ,  

3  =  least popular color I recon  on a 69 was / is  A4 silver , was extra cost option , I believe most popular Green  or blue or bronze 

4  =   /6

         1968  XP chargers  904 were slant 6
         1969  XP chargers  462 were slant 6
         1970  XH chargers 181  were slant 6
         1970  XP chargers  28   were slant 6

i'm far from a expert ,    I await to be corrected on any of this        

great info

forgot 2 questions

1. was white a option for color in 69 for chargers
2. I believe it was called "call out hood" flat black hood decals with engine size....was this a option for 69 as well or only 1970?

[tan top]

 1 =  yes only 70 & 71  , although  there is a 72 charger with a factory installed 440 six pack , think it might be 2 cars   , must of been a real early build , 440 sixpack was discontinued for the 72 model year  

2 =   69 & a half A12 cars were 440 sixpack / barrel motors only  from the factory ,  

3  =  least popular color I recon  on a 69 was / is  A4 silver , was extra cost option , I believe most popular Green  or blue or bronze  

4  =   /6

         1968  XP chargers  904 were slant 6
         1969  XP chargers  462 were slant 6
         1970  XH chargers 181  were slant 6
         1970  XP chargers  28   were slant 6

i'm far from a expert ,    I await to be corrected on any of this        

great info

forgot 2 questions

1. was white a option for color in 69 for chargers
2. I believe it was called "call out hood" flat black hood decals with engine size....was this a option for 69 as well or only 1970?

 1  yes white was a option for 69 chargers  , EW1 paint code

 2   option Code V21 performance hood treatment  , it was painted on flat textured black  , the engine call out on the V21 was a 1970 option only as far as I know
 

[Stegs]

thanks guys!

[6bblgt]

3  =  least popular color I recon  on a 69 was / is  A4 silver , was extra cost option , I believe most popular Green  or blue or bronze 

A4 was a STANDARD color, it was NOT extra cost - WAG: L1 "beige" or Y3 "cream/light gold" are the rarest colors on a '69 Charger, maybe one of the '69 Registry guys can chime in on the "least/most known colors".

& even though there are multiple choices of green (4), blue (3), and bronze (3) - F8 "dark green metallic", B5 "bright blue metallic", T5 "copper metallic" have to be the 3 most popular 

[tan top]

3  =  least popular color I recon  on a 69 was / is  A4 silver , was extra cost option , I believe most popular Green  or blue or bronze  

A4 was a STANDARD color, it was NOT extra cost - WAG: L1 "beige" or Y3 "cream/light gold" are the rarest colors on a '69 Charger, maybe one of the '69 Registry guys can chime in on the "least/most known colors".

& even though there are multiple choices of green (4), blue (3), and bronze (3) - F8 "dark green metallic", B5 "bright blue metallic", T5 "copper metallic" have to be the 3 most popular  

  thanks for the correction   !! appreciated       ,

    had always thought silver was a extra cost option  ,     ,yeah standard color ,  but had to pay extra  for it   ,

Sorry for the dud info guys    

[Fitz73Chrgr]

What does the "XH" VIN in 1970 mean?

[tan top]

What does the "XH" VIN in 1970 mean?

  a new charger line for 1970  , was the XH  , it was a base  model , standard equipment   bench front seat , no clock , no upper door pads , no belt mouldings , prolly a few more things  , the 70 charger mob     will know more i'm sure .  next up was the XP Charger , more like the 68 / 69 XP chargers , then  as we know the XS charger  , R/T model 

[Fitz73Chrgr]

What does the "XH" VIN in 1970 mean?

  a new charger line for 1970  , was the XH  , it was a base  model , standard equipment   bench front seat , no clock , no upper door pads , no belt mouldings , prolly a few more things  , the 70 charger mob     will know more i'm sure .  next up was the XP Charger , more like the 68 / 69 XP chargers , then  as we know the XS charger  , R/T model 

Interesting.  Thanks for the info 

[Stegs]

xh basically sounds like a stripped down charger...

what motor options where around for a XH car?

[tan top]

xh basically sounds like a stripped down charger...

what motor options where around for a XH car?

  engine options for  the  XH Charger  , was / are  slant 6 , 318 , 383 2 barrel  , 383 4 barrel ,

[6bblgt]

1966-1968 paint code A = "silver metallic", was the extra cost paint color because it was hand buffed.
It was $16.80 on a '66 Barracuda up to $22.20 on a '68 300 ($21.95 on a '68 Charger).

A4 was new for 1969.

[XH29N0G]

Some more on XH (Economy family car for towing boats)

This is what my XH Fender tag listed.
E63 = 383 CID 4bbl
D13 = 3 Speed Manual Transmission - Floor Shift
XH29N0G = Base Charger, 383 4bl, 70, St Louis
EF8 = Dark Green Metallic
C2XA = Charcoal & Black Vinyl Bench
TX9 = Black (Upper door frame color) (these are metal and the door panels are very simple)
EF8 = Dark Green Metallic Paint (roof color)
A73 = Charger Special Value Package
H51 = Air Conditioning
J25 = 3 Speed Wipers
M21 = Drip Rail Moulding
M31 = Body Belt Moulding
26 = 26 inch radiator

There are a few other things it had that are not on the fender tag.
It came with a 3.23 suregrip, 11 inch drums, heavy duty suspension same # of leafs as the 440/426 and g78 14 tires with rallye rims.
no clock or tach, no radio.  Had a trailer hitch that could have been original or added later and undercoating.  Power steering and power brakes.

[6bblgt]

does the 383 3-spd XH29N0G have the 780/781 torsion bars & 794/964 rear springs?  do you have the b'cast sheet?

& the trailer hitch would not have been factory, added at the dealer or later.

[XH29N0G]

does the 383 3-spd XH29N0G have the 780/781 torsion bars & 794/964 rear springs?  do you have the b'cast sheet?

& the trailer hitch would not have been factory, added at the dealer or later.

Had the broadcast sheet in 1983, and then lost it.  Have not located another.  I can ask my dad about wha the ordered though.

I cannot give a straight answer to the part numbers.  The car has torsion bars just shy of 15/16ths (maybe 1/64th smaller) so ~0.92 measured by calipers.  It does not have rear sway bar. 

Driver's side leaf is 6 leaves, the passenger side is 5 + 2 half leaves (see pic).  My understanding is that the # of leaves (and that my father said he ordered it with HD suspension) should be the HD version - unless there is another option.  I am up for being corrected if mistaken.

[6bblgt]

looks & sounds like HEMI bars & springs
I had a '68 Charger 383 4bbl w/trailer towing package - it had the (HD/rallye suspension) 778/779 bars &  211/211 springs

looks like you could (at least for '70) order the XHD/HEMI suspension on top of that 

[Chad L. Magee]

xh basically sounds like a stripped down charger...

what motor options where around for a XH car?

  engine options for  the  XH Charger  , was / are  slant 6 , 318 , 383 2 barrel  , 383 4 barrel ,

Correct.  The XH Chargers were done to cheapen the price of the starting point for getting into that model.  In 1970, it was advertised that the 1970 Dodge Charger had a new low price of $3,001.00.  It was more than likely a completely stripped down (no options) /6 version to get to that number.  My XH29C0G was ordered with only a few options (black vinyl top), but not much else.

There is even production numbers of a 1970 Dodge Charger 500 SE built with the /6.  If found, it is a real one of one.  I would love to own it.

http://1970chargerregistry.com/Production/500_6cyl.html

If you want strange combos, you could even get a sunroof with a XH29_0G, but only 9 were done that way from the factory.  Remember, that is a base model with a high end premium option that you would typically find on RTs or 500s.

http://1970chargerregistry.com/Production/XH_Figures.html

[Homerr]

1970 XP29 was Charger 500.

SE package was only available on XP and XS, not XH.

Lots more here:  http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/dealerships/1970DealershipDataBook-03.shtml

[Chad L. Magee]

Looking at the production numbers on the XH29C0G Chargers, I came across one that I forgot that they had made:

FM3 Paint - Panther Pink**      1 built     0.6%     Paint - Hi Impact (see bottom)

I realize that any vintage FM3 Mopar is rare, but that one is a real oddball...

[tan top]

1966-1968 paint code A = "silver metallic", was the extra cost paint color because it was hand buffed.
It was $16.80 on a '66 Barracuda up to $22.20 on a '68 300 ($21.95 on a '68 Charger).

A4 was new for 1969.

oh right  ,   that's for the info  , appreciated   

[Stegs]

 A73 = Charger Special Value Package

Can someone elaborate on this?

whats this mean? (part of the no clock, no tach etc)?

[Chad L. Magee]

A73 = Charger Special Value Package

Can someone elaborate on this?

whats this mean? (part of the no clock, no tach etc)?

In 1970:

·       Vinyl Bench Seat

·   Painted Door and Garnish Mouldings

·   Body Color Taillight Treatment

·   Electric Clock & Body Belt Mouldings

·       Wheel Lip Mouldings are N/A

http://1970chargerregistry.com/Packages/A73_Special_Value_Package.html

[hemigeno]

3  =  least popular color I recon  on a 69 was / is  A4 silver , was extra cost option , I believe most popular Green  or blue or bronze 

A4 was a STANDARD color, it was NOT extra cost - WAG: L1 "beige" or Y3 "cream/light gold" are the rarest colors on a '69 Charger, maybe one of the '69 Registry guys can chime in on the "least/most known colors".

& even though there are multiple choices of green (4), blue (3), and bronze (3) - F8 "dark green metallic", B5 "bright blue metallic", T5 "copper metallic" have to be the 3 most popular 

I actually didn't realize the A4 didn't require buffing in '69, but that is indeed the case.

Without getting into special-order colors, L1 Beige was not available (in the '69 Charger line anyway). 

According to the E-series engineering graphics, other non-standard/available colors -- outside of a special-order -- for 1969 Chargers were:
A9  Dark Gray Metallic
B9  Dark Blue Metallic
E7  Briar Metallic
F9  Dark Green Metallic (same name as F8, but that's what's on the chart)
K2  Vitamin "C" Orange (I still contend this is a different color than 99 Omaha Orange)
M9  Plum
Q4  Lite Turquoise Metallic
Y5  Light Gold Metallic
Y6  Medium Gold Metallic
Y7  Chrome Yellow

[6bblgt]

I actually didn't realize the A4 didn't require buffing in '69, but that is indeed the case.

Without getting into special-order colors, L1 Beige was not available (in the '69 Charger line anyway). 

According to the E-series engineering graphics, other non-standard/available colors -- outside of a special-order -- for 1969 Chargers were:
A9  Dark Gray Metallic * IMPERIAL ONLY
B9  Dark Blue Metallic * IMPERIAL & Dodge c-body ONLY
E7  Briar Metallic * IMPERIAL, Chrysler & Dodge c-body ONLY
F9  Dark Green Metallic (same name as F8, but that's what's on the chart) * IMPERIAL ONLY "dark emerald metallic"
K2  Vitamin "C" Orange (I still contend this is a different color than 99 Omaha Orange) Plymouth b-body only, possibly Road Runner ONLY
M9  Plum * IMPERIAL ONLY
Q4  Lite Turquoise Metallic * IMPERIAL, Chrysler & Dodge c-body ONLY
Y5  Light Gold Metallic unknown by me?
Y6  Medium Gold Metallic * spring '69 Plymouth c-body ONLY
Y7  Chrome Yellow unknown by me?

Not that I've seen any L1 - "beige" '69 Chargers, it is listed everywhere as a STANDARD '69 b-body color & I can find NO mention of a Charger exception. 
"Omaha Orange" is a basic non-metallic fleet color offered by most manufacturers, think "safety orange".  It was the color of Michigan's DOT trucks (& others) back "in-the-day", still used currently by some departments.  (E)K2 - "vitamin C" & "go mango" are very similar to "Omaha orange" plus metallic.

It would be interesting to see the verbage on the engineering drawings of the above colors as far as being available outside of the above listed vehicles.  They would in fact be Y39 "Special Order Paint" and be subject to a cost if ordered in quantities less than 50 (fleet order size)on a Charger.  I'm sure other colors from other manufacturers or corporate identity colors for businesses would be on a different "Special Order Paint" cost schedule.

The known EA4 & EA9 '70 B & E-bodies are all coded 999 & Y39. 

[hemigeno]

I actually didn't realize the A4 didn't require buffing in '69, but that is indeed the case.

Without getting into special-order colors, L1 Beige was not available (in the '69 Charger line anyway).  

According to the E-series engineering graphics, other non-standard/available colors -- outside of a special-order -- for 1969 Chargers were:
A9  Dark Gray Metallic * IMPERIAL ONLY  **PLUS CHRYSLER C-BODY
B9  Dark Blue Metallic * IMPERIAL & Dodge c-body ONLY   **PLUS Y07 CANADIAN EXPORT CHRYSLER C-BODY
E7  Briar Metallic * IMPERIAL, Chrysler & Dodge c-body ONLY
F9  Dark Green Metallic (same name as F8, but that's what's on the chart) * IMPERIAL ONLY "dark emerald metallic"  **PLUS Y07 CANADIAN EXPORT CHRYSLER C-BODY
K2  Vitamin "C" Orange (I still contend this is a different color than 99 Omaha Orange) Plymouth b-body only, possibly Road Runner ONLY  No mention of 'Runner only, on this chart anyway - just B-body Plymouths as you stated (R)
M9  Plum * IMPERIAL ONLY
Q4  Lite Turquoise Metallic * IMPERIAL, Chrysler & Dodge c-body ONLY
Y5  Light Gold Metallic unknown by me?  *CHRYSLER C-BODY ONLY
Y6  Medium Gold Metallic * spring '69 Plymouth c-body ONLY
Y7  Chrome Yellow unknown by me?  Listed as a new-for-1969 (EY7) available color for only Dodge & Plymouth B-Bodies (R, W) - can't say I've seen this color myself

Not that I've seen any L1 - "beige" '69 Chargers, it is listed everywhere as a STANDARD '69 b-body color & I can find NO mention of a Charger exception.     L1 is listed as available on V, L, R, W, P, D, C & Y models
"Omaha Orange" is a basic non-metallic fleet color offered by most manufacturers, think "safety orange".  It was the color of Michigan's DOT trucks (& others) back "in-the-day", still used currently by some departments.  (E)K2 - "vitamin C" & "go mango" are very similar to "Omaha orange" plus metallic.

It would be interesting to see the verbage on the engineering drawings of the above colors as far as being available outside of the above listed vehicles.  They would in fact be Y39 "Special Order Paint" and be subject to a cost if ordered in quantities less than 50 (fleet order size)on a Charger.  I'm sure other colors from other manufacturers or corporate identity colors for businesses would be on a different "Special Order Paint" cost schedule.

The known EA4 & EA9 '70 B & E-bodies are all coded 999 & Y39.  

[6bblgt]

It's interesting to see that some of the formerly Imperial ONLY colors were expanded to CANADA spec. Chryslers specifically.

I wonder if the (E)Y7 was the "taxi cab yellow" that the HURST converted '69 New York City Coronet taxis were painted?? 

[69_500]

Looking at the production numbers on the XH29C0G Chargers, I came across one that I forgot that they had made:

FM3 Paint - Panther Pink**      1 built     0.6%     Paint - Hi Impact (see bottom)

I realize that any vintage FM3 Mopar is rare, but that one is a real oddball...

Is this the 225 slant six, 3 on the tree car? With Tan interior?

[Chad L. Magee]

Looking at the production numbers on the XH29C0G Chargers, I came across one that I forgot that they had made:

FM3 Paint - Panther Pink**      1 built     0.6%     Paint - Hi Impact (see bottom)

I realize that any vintage FM3 Mopar is rare, but that one is a real oddball...

Is this the 225 slant six, 3 on the tree car? With Tan interior?

It is one of the 181 XH29C0Gs that was made according to the 1970 Charger Registry site, as the paint numbers are not broken down by transmission.  It does not have a breakdown on what that particular car has other than the paint.  So, it could very well be the one that you are mentioning...