10 years all cars, 'HAVE' to have 54mpg?

[1974dodgecharger]

Watching this episode and Jay saids all cars need to be 54mpg in 10 years or just drive a prius?  Is this true?  Will they outlaw our cars that are dinosours as he puts it?

https://youtu.be/eaOfgevPphk

[JB400]

All car manufacturers will have to have cars that average out to 50+ mpg by 2025.  Only problem is, they {state gov} will have to raise the fuel tax as well to repair roads and bridges.

[myk]

Hmm....someone promised us 8 years ago that the nation's infrastructure would see refurbishment but that hasn't happened yet, so.

Also, does the Prius even average out to 54 mpg?  That's a pipe dream, IMO...

[Chargen69]

sad to say I own one, DONT judge, I drive a lot, got 95,000 miles on one that is under three years old. NO it doesnt get 54mph.   I refuse to drive the way you would have to to get that. Normally mine is 48mph combo city and highway miles. 

I will say once on a four hour trip I got behind a tractor trailer truck, just enough to get out of the wind, but not enough to piss him off.  over 4 hours on the highway it registered 60mph.

around town if you are a jerk and pretend no one else is behind you, over a tank of gas the best I ever got was 52.

[Chargen69]

and yes, I hate every minute I drive it.

disrespect is soo bad on the road in it, that I crammed airhorns in the grill, it's a hit with the service department.

[A383Wing]

I'm still waiting to be driving around in cars like the Jetsons...that's what they promised us years ago

[twodko]

The best Pious I've even seen was with a 4wd chassis under it.
I want to say it late CJ7 running gear. Looked knarly too.

[myk]

sad to say I own one, DONT judge, I drive a lot, got 95,000 miles on one that is under three years old. NO it doesnt get 54mph.   I refuse to drive the way you would have to to get that. Normally mine is 48mph combo city and highway miles. 

I will say once on a four hour trip I got behind a tractor trailer truck, just enough to get out of the wind, but not enough to piss him off.  over 4 hours on the highway it registered 60mph.

around town if you are a jerk and pretend no one else is behind you, over a tank of gas the best I ever got was 52.

Don't be sad, seek comfort in your sense of practicality.  I just got back from a 4 day stint in Vegas-no way in HELL was I gonna drive 800 miles with any of my V8's-the Charger especially.

Economy cars have their place in society.  The smart, educated and modern muscle car fan can see they can't rely on their Detroit iron for EVERYTHING, however that doesn't mean that I approve our marginally despotic government and the greenies forcing economy cars and their standards down our throats.  There can be a way to have both.  To quote the panzy-liberal bumper sticker, they can "coexist." 

[green69rt]

The new standard is for newly built car fleets so it doesn't address cars that have already been built.  That doesn't mean that states can't do something crazy.   And is it a reasonable goal??  Sounds pretty far fetched to me unless all cars are going to weigh 1500 pounds and go no faster than 45mph!!

[dyslexic teddybear]

The new standard is for newly built car fleets so it doesn't address cars that have already been built.  That doesn't mean that states can't do something crazy.   And is it a reasonable goal??  Sounds pretty far fetched to me unless all cars are going to weigh 1500 pounds and go no faster than 45mph!!

It's also at odds with the increasing amount of "safety" equipment cars have.

88 airbags and multiply senors for auto braking [so you need not look where you are going] back sensors/camera [so you need not pay as much attention when you are backing] all add weight......

[66FBCharger]

$845,000!
Thats what this Porsche cost. It is an incredible car, but it should be for that much money.

[RallyeMike]

The same technology that is allowing us to have 350HP @ 35mpg can lead to this. I don't think 10 years is completely unreasonable but it's going to be a stretch.

I'm all for the masses having 54 mpg cars. More gas for my lumbering beasts, plus I assume this does not apply to new trucks

[green69rt]

The same technology that is allowing us to have 350HP @ 35mpg can lead to this. I don't think 10 years is completely unreasonable but it's going to be a stretch.

I'm all for the masses having 54 mpg cars. More gas for my lumbering beasts, plus I assume this does not apply to new trucks

I think the new standard does include light trunks, aka most pickups and vans.  But I don't know if it's the same standard that applies to light trucks as applies to cars.

[A383Wing]

cars and light trucks are in different categories...not the same standard applies to both

[green69rt]

cars and light trucks are in different categories...not the same standard applies to both

Yeah, but still an increase in MPG rating, that's why Ford is producing an all aluminum truck.

[1974dodgecharger]

based on how Jay Leno said he made it seem like that EVERYBODY is going to have drive a car that gets 54mpg or just walk......just me the way he said and people who cant afford such nice cars as the Porsche resort to prius based on government regulations that old cars cant be on the road.

[Mike DC]

  

based on how Jay Leno said he made it seem like that EVERYBODY is going to have drive a car that gets 54mpg or just walk......just me the way he said and people who cant afford such nice cars as the Porsche resort to prius based on government regulations that old cars cant be on the road.

Whatever the govt mandates will be the only choice for most of the public within just a few years.  There's no need to ban old cars.  

Most people need totally reliable & comfortable & presentable cars.  That means their cars have to be pretty new.  Most people have to call a tow truck & pay a repair shop for anything beyond changing a tire.  They can't switch to driving exclusively old vehicles.  

[1974dodgecharger]

 

based on how Jay Leno said he made it seem like that EVERYBODY is going to have drive a car that gets 54mpg or just walk......just me the way he said and people who cant afford such nice cars as the Porsche resort to prius based on government regulations that old cars cant be on the road.

Whatever the govt mandates will be the only choice for most of the public within just a few years.  There's no need to ban old cars.  

Most people need totally reliable & comfortable & presentable cars.  That means their cars have to be pretty new.  Most people have to call a tow truck & pay a repair shop for anything more complicated than changing a tire.  

kinda sad to think that way, but I do agree with you hence why cars don't come with spares now they expect you pay a insurance company for road side assistance while you sit in the car with air running and tow man changes it....

My only fear is gov. regulating that cars older than say 10 years cant be on the road or you walk or take public transporation and are forced to buy new cars to keep the economy going or something.....ahhhh...conspiracy theories I better stop...no talk on froum.....

[moparjohn]

nothing like trying to force you to buy something you don't want.  Let capitalism breath free, those cars that don't sell won't be produced. and as for me, when hell freezes over I'll buy an ecobox, if I can afford the gas and payments I should be able to buy what I want. rant over

[Mike DC]

 
If capitalism was truly breathing free then gasoline would cost several times as much and we would still be buying economy cars. 

The govt puts small token taxes on gasoline.  But the deeper indirect subsidies for the petroleum industry far outweigh it in the other direction. 


The US public has spoken on this for decades.  We want super-cheap gas even if it means our vehicles cost the price of a house.

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[ws23rt]

Whatever happened to the cash for clunkers deal?

It seems like the car hater legislators are holding back on what they really want.  

The market works very well without intervention. The total cost of driving (vehicle cost, fuel, upkeep, ins., etc) are what we the driving public will respond to for a practical car that we need to navigate to make a living and enjoy freedom of movement.

The other part of our driving experience comes from the impractical. The fun cars and trucks that are a big part of out lives. They are not the bulk of transport consumption. They are a part of our chosen life style. They are also a part of the economy.

When I see a crack down on what we do to have fun as a way to help everyone it moves me to protest. Their is no rational reason that we can't have both and prosper.

I for one am still looking forward to when we can put 400+ miles worth of electric power in a car and do it in short order. Lot's of things are to come.  But it's an evolution that happens by the force of the market.

[Stevearino]

Places like Virginia have already established the "Prius Tax" which is a flat fee just to own one because they know they will not get the gas tax they need.  Some places are looking at a mileage or odometer tax which would be fairer. If you use the road more you should have to pay for the upkeep base on your usage but that is very complicated to collect.  Auto makers always seem to find a way around all these rules. I remember when the fleet mileage mandates first came out in order to keep the overall fleet mileage ratings down they would manufacture more than 50% of a large cars components over seas in order to classify it as an import thus taking it out of the equation.  They also exempt light trucks from the old 5 mph bumpers so the started making car/trucks like SUV's and for years there were no 5 mph bumpers on them. Not sure if they even have them today.

[ws23rt]

I does seem odd to me that we are not yet being spanked for wanting cars like the hellcat. Although it's mpg rating is pretty good considering.
With cars being as smart and connected as they are, I can see an attempt to get us by watching miles driven as well as fuel used while doing so.

As far as taxing electric cars?---Would a tax on coal be coming to pay for the road use as well as the charging stations?

If something like this is coming it would almost have to be a part of the cost per KWH at home.---Power from the grid is where it will come from for now.---If power from our home is cheaper we would use that---

[RallyeMike]

nothing like trying to force you to buy something you don't want.

The free market will still reign. I would guess that the majority of people in this country want a vehicle that gets good mileage and are willing to trade off. If you are not one of the majority, there will still be options to purchase HP vehicle..... perhaps at a price.

[Stevearino]

This right here is more disturbing if it proves to be a future trend.
http://mashable.com/2015/03/17/elon-musk-nvidia/