guys, help, 1972 dodge charger

polywideblock · March 04, 2015, 11:52:51 PM

go back to page 5 and look at pic I posted the seam on the firewall just under your wiper motor is the bottom of the cowl .check right along it and pull plastic "plugs" to do more checking . look at door hinge area and pop kick panels off and look inside A pillar from floor to dash

sawyer440rt · March 05, 2015, 12:53:29 AM

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ACUDANUT · March 05, 2015, 10:36:03 AM

Replacing a cowl would make me want to part it out. Ain't they a bitch to replace ? If the cowl is all rusted, than I am sure the frame rails are rotted too.

sawyer440rt · March 05, 2015, 08:14:44 PM

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polywideblock · March 05, 2015, 08:23:30 PM

didn't say the car was bad, just didn't want to see you get caught in a money pit

which is why I said to check real close, as a 3rd gen with rusted out A pillars /cowl/firewall is if you have to pay to get fixed

sawyer440rt · March 05, 2015, 09:03:36 PM

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Charger-Bodie · March 05, 2015, 09:06:25 PM

You should take a video of any areas you are in question about.

EccentricMagpies · March 05, 2015, 09:54:34 PM

Quote from: sawyer440rt on March 05, 2015, 09:03:36 PM
.... i value all you guys and your advice that you give me, I will follow what you guys say to do, I am gonna spend a couple hours tomorrow really looking at the engine bay and surrounding areas so if I find some more bad spots or areas i can get feedback from you all! Thx, everything is much appreciated. Mike

I have a '74 rallye in worse shape than yours. It's a 4 speed 440. I could have easily have parted it out a long time ago. There just isn't a story in parting something out. Long story but found another charger I wanted to see completed first. Eventually I'll get back to this one.

Don't worry about some work. Fit things in when you can.

sawyer440rt · March 05, 2015, 10:07:50 PM

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ACUDANUT · March 05, 2015, 11:49:09 PM

Mike, what was your wife telling you ? (good or bad) ?
I am pleased to hear your frame rails are good. That makes it one nice, easier/cheaper step forward.

Pete in NH · March 06, 2015, 09:17:07 AM

Mike,

Good to hear the frame rails are solid. Don't worry about the other stuff it can be fixed. A lot of what you are seeing is typical of a 40+ year old car.

I wouldn't rush into undercoating anything. Undercoating is best applied to clean rust free surfaces to prevent rust in the future. Putting undercoating over dirty, rusted metal only seals in the rust and moisture and causes problems in the future. Do the floor pan repairs first and then see where you're at.

sawyer440rt · March 06, 2015, 11:19:59 AM

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Dino · March 06, 2015, 11:26:25 AM

As a financial strategy it makes sense, but wasn't the whole idea here that you would get both cars, pretty much for free, as long as you did not flip them? Sounds to me like you're doing exactly what he does not want you to do or am I reading this wrong?

dyslexic teddybear · March 06, 2015, 12:41:53 PM

Quote from: Dino on March 06, 2015, 11:26:25 AM
As a financial strategy it makes sense, but wasn't the whole idea here that you would get both cars, pretty much for free, as long as you did not flip them? Sounds to me like you're doing exactly what he does not want you to do or am I reading this wrong?

Agree......

Very much hope we are both reading this wrong.

JMO.......I'm kinda old school......when I give my word, that's it. If it is within my power to do......I do it.

sawyer440rt · March 06, 2015, 02:23:16 PM

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TUFCAT · March 06, 2015, 02:28:15 PM

Quote from: sawyer440rt on March 06, 2015, 02:23:16 PM
I paid 400 bucks for the 72, he has not given me the price on the 69 yet, one time he said not to worry about a price until he gets the ride, you are correct, I did give him my word, and I really mean to keep it IF I CAN, but before we do anything, we are gonna be straight with him, I believe that the 72 needs more help than I am capable of, sure I could pay someone else to do all the work, but like these guys say, it could cost a fortune and take many years. so what would you guys do, put them in the yard and use them for ornaments??? Or maybe try to talk with him and be honest with him and see what he thinks? We are gonna put it on the line sunday after church, if he wants them back, then no problem, if he wants me to keep them, no problem there either, I just ain't sure with all the advice I have been givin on here and what I have found so far if it wouldn't be better to show him how bad the 72 really is, and even tho I have only been able to see the 69 a couple times, I never really got to check that over, it could be worse, im fairly well off when it comes to money, but I ain't rich by no means, I just budgeted really well over a long period of time. If you guys that are giving me crap have a better idea, trust me, I'm all ears???, thx, mike

Definitely a good idea!! Be honest. He obviously doesn't have much of a cost/value idea until you tell him. The '72 is a money pit. The '69 Charger... probably not.

ACUDANUT · March 06, 2015, 02:33:12 PM

I thought the deal was just to give him a ride in the 72 and then the 69 is yours ? After taking him for a ride, sell the 72 and restore the 69.

Dino · March 06, 2015, 02:44:15 PM

So we're giving you crap and you wonder if you should be honest to the guy? Wow!

I don't give a damn what you do with the 72 as long as you don't flip it as you promised him. The fact that it will cost 10 times the cost to restore vs what it's worth is really irrelevant here, but the promise is.

Ever thought about paying it forward? Finding a kid who has a dream about restoring one? Maybe a father/son project? The old man may like that idea. How about a raffle to collect some funds for a good cause? No flipper will buy this money pit, but a kid with a dream will be all over it.

This was his wife's car, it has a lot of sentimental value but no monetary. If you do anything to turn that around then you make his worst fear come true so I think you should return the 72, forget all about this deal and buy what you want.

If I had been given a chance like this I would treat those cars as my children. You don't find generosity like this much more. But if you cannot commit to these projects because they would surpass their actual worth then let them go. I think it would be in the best interest of the old man.

ACUDANUT · March 06, 2015, 02:46:47 PM

Quote from: ACUDANUT on March 06, 2015, 02:33:12 PM
I thought the deal was just to give him a ride in the 72 and then the 69 is yours ? After taking him for a ride, sell the 72 and restore the 69.

Beav · March 06, 2015, 02:53:15 PM

I gave a little advice about "not SCREWIN' the ol' feller" a while back, and haven't said much since...

"Handshakes, word, honor, and such..."

Now you and your "sasquatch" are back to scheming how to "help" Mr. Russell

In the beginning, it was a RIDE in the '72 for the chance at the R/T...

It all doesn't add up, UNTIL YOU AND SASQUATCH RESEARCH ENOUGH to realize the potential money to be made!

Money ruins many "honest men."

Tell you what... Offer to help research and sale both of the cars for the ol' feller, and put the maximum potential money into HIS pocket.

Afterwards, continue to have coffee, home cooked meals, & church with him...

Take your BALLS out of your wife's purse & be a MAN! IMO You deserve no financial gain from playin' the old man!!!

(Somebody needs to get ahold of him before you rob him BLIND!)

Beav

polywideblock · March 06, 2015, 02:56:03 PM

so did you find rust in the cowl/A pillars/firewall ? you said the frame was good

the rust looks to be mostly cosmetic apart from the floor

I'd fix that(floor) and get car running and give him his ride in his wife's car ,then the rest could be fixed at your leisure

don't remember reading that it had to be restored just running , look how many rat rods /beaters go to shows these days

get it roadworthy and just drive it and enjoy for a while ,gets him in his car and you have kept you promise to an old man

ACUDANUT · March 06, 2015, 02:58:30 PM

Quote from: Beav on March 06, 2015, 02:53:15 PM

I gave a little advice about "not SCREWIN' the ol' feller" a while back, and haven't said much since...

"Handshakes, word, honor, and such..."

Now you and your "sasquatch" are back to scheming how to "help" Mr. Russell

In the beginning, it was a RIDE in the '72 for the chance at the R/T...

It all doesn't add up, UNTIL YOU AND SASQUATCH RESEARCH ENOUGH to realize the potential money to be made!

Money ruins many "honest men."

Tell you what... Offer to help research and sale both of the cars for the ol' feller, and put the maximum potential money into HIS pocket.

Afterwards, continue to have coffee, home cooked meals, & church with him...

Take your BALLS out of your wife's purse & be a MAN! IMO You deserve no financial gain from playin' the old man!!!

(Somebody needs to get ahold of him before you rob him BLIND!)

Beav

WHoa.

ACUDANUT · March 06, 2015, 02:59:53 PM

Quote from: polywideblock on March 06, 2015, 02:56:03 PM
so did you find rust in the cowl/A pillars/firewall ? you said the frame was good the rust looks to be mostly cosmetic apart from the floor

I'd fix that(floor) and get car running and give him his ride in his wife's car ,then the rest could be fixed at your leisure

don't remember reading that it had to be restored just running , look how many rat rods /beaters go to shows these days

get it roadworthy and just drive it and enjoy for a while ,gets him in his car and you have kept you promise to an old man

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Beav · March 06, 2015, 03:04:14 PM

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WHoa.
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Everyone's got a "button."

Seeing someone being taken blatant advantage of is mine.

MxRacer855 · March 06, 2015, 03:07:24 PM

I agree.

Your word is your word.

This is one helluva story and that would make for an absolutely amazing one when you drive that '69 around in a few years. That car will always be something very special to you because of that, NOT just a random one off of eBay or Craiglist.

As far as the '72... maybe some young kid will see it in your garage or out back in some years and won't believe his eyes. Once you see that spark, you could continue the legacy while still having an incredible '69.

Just my

Jeff

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