Is there a criminal stigma attached to being a man?

[dkn1997]

nice

[Ponch ®]

so whats the solution here?

dont be white. 

[dkn1997]

nice

[Johnny SixPack]

so whats the solution here?

dont be white. 

And he'd know! 

[Ponch ®]

nice

[Johnny SixPack]

nice

Is it just me, or does C. Thomas look more like Apu's 2nd cousin than he does a black guy in that movie?

[bull]

Michael Jackson stopped being black and look what happened to him.

[Johnny SixPack]

Michael Jackson stopped being black and look what happened to him.

Yeah, but he was/is sleeping with the kids.

And God knows what else. 

Look at R. Kelly (black) on the flipside of that argument though.

Was he treated with more leniency than than Rob Lowe (white)?

I don't know, hence my question.

Both were accused of inappropriate actions involving underaged kids (both girls IIRC, so don't quote me), but maybe that question would better fit a discussion of the gulf of difference between celebrities and their punishment as compared to how the average joe is treated when accused of the same crimes.

[Old Moparz]

Specifically I'm talking about crimes against kids. Ever feel like you're being watched like a hawk at the park by suspicious moms? Ever feel like you have no desire to help out with kids groups because some kid might make a bogus accusation?

Think about it, one kid gets a grudge against because you told him he couldn't do something stupid in basketball practice and the next thing you know you're in the crosshairs. Any man is one formal complaint away from having his life ruined, innocent or not. I don't think it's worth it to be around any kids that aren't your own anymore unless you really, really trust the parents. It's sad but I think it's true.

Yes, it's crossed my mind, & sometimes to the point where I feel selfish for ignoring a situation. When I was about 20, I had a job during college driving a van. In between deliveries one day, I spotted two girls hitchhiking that were probably no more than 12 or 13 years old. It was against the company policy to have anyone in the van other than another employee, but the first thing that crossed my mind was that some wackoloon would stop & pick these kids up & they'd end up dead.

I reluctantly stopped & asked them where they were going, & they said the mall in town. Instead of driving to where I was supposed to go, I drove them right to the mall entrance & told them flat out they shouldn't be hitchhiking because they might end up taking their last ride ever. They said thanks for the ride & probably ignored my advice & hitched a ride home, but I felt better knowing they at least made it to the mall in one piece & not become pieces in someone's basement freezer.

This was over 20 years ago & not much of an issue back then. These days, I think if I had even looked at them as I drove past, I'd be thinking that someone took my plate number down & I'd be a suspect if something had happened to them before they got to the mall. Another thought in the present, is that if I had stopped to give them a ride, they would turn it around & use the situation to extort money from me. Too many real wackoloons & daytime talk shows just ruin everything.

[Mike DC]

Society's messed up.

Right now, worrying about what (A FEW) men are capable of doing to women or kids is very valid.  There are some total sickos out there.

But at the same time, there are women (and sometimes even other children) very capable of doing the same things.  This side of the issues doesn't get any attention.  (Female teachers that screw male children . . . why is there even any debate about whether they deserve the severe sentences?) And the statistics on domestic violence make men look terrible, but nobody wants to talk about the uncomfortable numbers making the women in these situations often look just as bad.

And when only men are seen as "capable of it," then society gets cheap about dealing with the problems.  We'd rather just focus on restraining & policing MEN than focus on the problems themselves.  We act like it's better to stop 15 male rapists than stop 10 male & 10 female ones.

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Imagine if our society dealt with the problem of illegetimate kids by making teens sit through classes discouraging them from sleeping with black males . . . This idea is astonishingly racist & rediculous.  Of course.

But how different is this from the way we treat all men?  We treat them all as potential rapists, violent assualters, molesters, etc.  We operate our whole society as if this is a fair assumption.  As if there's not any basic unfairness in thinking this way.  If we operated with anything like this assumption about women . . .

[Johnny SixPack]

Yeah, you almost never hear about the flip side of domestic abuse (female abusing the male).

One of my friends is in that situation, so I think I can comment about it.

He's in no way a pansy, but he's been in some sort of low point in his life, and found himself attached (engaged actually) to this woman who is just bad news.

I don't know if it's just that he doesn't know what to do with the situation, or what, but he has stuck with her, and it's just getting worse.

It finally got so bad the cops were called after she put his head through the plate glass window in their living room on night.

And after seeing the cuts/bruises/bite marks (yes, I said bite marks) on him the cops hauled her @$$ off to jail.

He pleaded with them not to, but by law they had too.

The sad thing is, I'll bet good money that the neighbors called the cops think it was him abusing her.

He's since taken her back, and the troubles continue.

I think a lot of it is that he thinks that as a man he should be able to handle the situation, but it's seriously out of control.

He's now shutting out our mutual friends that are trying to help him, thinking that they are putting him down, so he's further isolating himself from the outside world and consequently any chance of help.

You just don't hear about this kind of stuff, and there's no real precedents for how to help the men in question.

Definitely not in the same way that this for women.

[Dodge-Charger]

I don't think it's worth it to be around any kids that aren't your own anymore unless you really, really trust the parents. It's sad but I think it's true.

 I understand your argument but have to disagree about the above statement. I coach a little league Soccer team for my little girl ( 5 years old ) and the kids give me no problems. The parents kinda looked at me funny when they met me being 6'
tall 215lbs and bald. Once they got to know me it wont an issue. YES some people I don't think kids should be left with but, most child abusers are not going to be in the public eye unless they are of high stature. ( Priest , cops and so on) Kids will always lie to get their way no matter who they hurt, it is the partents fault not the kids. They only do what they are taught.

As too the girls being raped and so on, some bring it on them self by hanging around the types that would do such stuff , dressing and acting the way they do and then thinking its funny. Some guys have a weak mind to being teased and don't know how to handle it. But even when a person ( girl or guy ) says no that is what it means in any situation.

   ONCE again        stronger punishment = Less crime

[Mike DC]

It's easy to frame the issue in simple terms: "No means NO!  Men just need to learn to grow up & control themselves around attractive women."  But the real world is usually not that simple.

Nobody talks in clinical terms to get "permission" when they're about to get buck wild.  And some women use sex as a bargaining tool to manipulate men and win arguments.  They're not always very "fair" about it at all.  Some women unreasonably dangle & withhold sex the way a man might do so with money he earned for the couple.

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And it's not politically correct to even talk about this, but it's a real issue:

I swear, I've known a few women who DO like to act coy and be sort of "overpowered" during sexual activity.  For a percentage of the women out there, it can be a very fine line between being the best lover she's ever had and being a rapist. 

And that's what it's like when you know that woman pretty well.  Imagine if a man picks up that type of lover at a bar for a one-night fling, not knowing any of her "rules" at all . . .

[MOPARHOUND!]

What ever happened to Mark Chmura, the Green Bay Packer?

He was a great player, sad deal.

[Dale The Bold]

Part of this problem is the pressure that is put on men to be aggressive, macho, tough, etc.  I get the impression that most nice guys have a highly aggressive side to them that only comes out when the topic of rapists, murderers, and thieves comes up.  In other words, we're as gentle as kittens except when it comes to some abusive jackass, then we want to fold him over and kick his butt.

But, in some ways, men are encouraged to always be the aggressor.  We (men) will ridicule each other for not "scoring" with women, or even expressing interest in anything feminine (which I think is a contradiction).  So, culturally, we're pushed to be aggressive jackasses.  As a result, we're expected to be aggressive jackasses.  And nice guys have to deal with the stereotype.

[Mike DC]

But, in some ways, men are encouraged to always be the aggressor.  We (men) will ridicule each other for not "scoring" with women, or even expressing interest in anything feminine (which I think is a contradiction).  So, culturally, we're pushed to be aggressive jackasses.  As a result, we're expected to be aggressive jackasses.  And nice guys have to deal with the stereotype.

I dunno.  Nice guys finish last a lot.  You have to be a hell of a desirable "nice guy" not to just totally suffer for it.

I think women insist that they want a nice guy in about the same way that men insist that they don't care about women's looks.  Yeah right.  (Same principle goes for women saying they don't care about men being wealthy.)

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Honestly, I see women wanting the bad-boy until they're about late 20s, and then wanting the mature man after that. 
(Of course this is unfairly casting a catch-all stereotype over an entire gender full of unique individuals, but you know what I mean.)

It's probably not a coincidence that in the pre-birth-control era, that would mean she'd have several kids with the bad-boy, and then leave him to go find a nice provider to support the kids & overlook her "mistakes of youth."  So the kids get the genetic programming & risk-taking of the bad-boy, but it's tempered by the upbringing & resources of the nicer mature provider.  That's a survival combo that's hard to beat.

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[SeattleCharger]

Men are not dogs.

If a Male Dog is on one side of the street, and a female dog is on the other, the Male will sniff the air, run over, and go to town.

If I smelled a female from the other side of the street. I would RUN in the other direction!  

[The Ghoul]

I felt this was more than approprate here.
did you guys see the la' fay chick got off scott free?
A woman has sex multipul times with a 14 year old.
the 14 year olds parents drop charges to save the child from the trama of a trile.
She gets off free and clear minus a job and a husband that is. It is very obvious from her press confrance that she has taken no responciblility for any of this.
It is also speculated that she will not be added to the sex offenders list.

so let me get this stright.
a drunken man takes a leak in an alie and a cop happens to catch him in the act.
he is added to the sex offenders list but a statchatory rapist is not?
thats what it would imply.


I cant help but wonder how this whole situation would have been resolved if it was a male teacher and a femail student?
I would think that the parents would be yelling law sutes and movie deals

[PocketThunder]

Honestly, I see women wanting the bad-boy until they're about late 20s, and then wanting the mature man after that. 
(Of course this is unfairly casting a catch-all stereotype over an entire gender full of unique individuals, but you know what I mean.)

It's probably not a coincidence that in the pre-birth-control era, that would mean she'd have several kids with the bad-boy, and then leave him to go find a nice provider to support the kids & overlook her "mistakes of youth."  So the kids get the genetic programming & risk-taking of the bad-boy, but it's tempered by the upbringing & resources of the nicer mature provider.  That's a survival combo that's hard to beat.

  i witnessed this first hand.  directly and indirectly.

[Telvis]

Men are not dogs.

If a Male Dog is on one side of the street, and a female dog is on the other, the Male will sniff the air, run over, and go to town.

If I smelled a female from the other side of the street. I would RUN in the other direction! 

My God!! That's one of the funniest things I have ever heard! 

[Darkness]

Again moral of the story kiddies is that most women are the root of evil. Just ask anyone male on the board here. 

[Mike DC]

 



Bro's before Ho's.

     

[Arthu®]

Really though it is not entirely made up, it is just a fact that men are more prone to commit violent crimes. Though I did wacht a documentry on Discovery once which was about female serial murderers. The real conclusion was that there are very few but when there are they are the most passionate, harder to catch and most violent and sadistic.

Arthur

[Mike DC]

       
Little wonder than men's violent crime rates are way higher than women's. 
Men are way more aggressive & physical by nature.  That sword cuts both ways.


Now,
Suppose if there were accurate statistics kept for who was being the most conniving & back-biting about their crimes? 
That's the equivalent dark side of women's natural tendencies.  It's just a lot harder for society to measure & punish that kind of stuff.

     

[The Ghoul]

Bro's before Ho's.

     

hoooooo mooooo

LOL

I gotta say all the girls I know are way more agressive than guys... Its just guys tend to let it out in short little birsts, where as girls save it up and just explode on some one..... its just usually there to weak to hurt any one 





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