Opinion needed, he's asking $20,000

[Polygon]

http://justmusclecars.com/carindexone.asp?thumb=4&car=70%20Charger%20500&idx=43http://justmusclecars.com/carindexone.asp?thumb=4&car=70%20Charger%20500&idx=43

He said the paint job is 10 years old, a 10 footer.

Funky mirrors, A/C missing under hood.
And filler on the rear pan where the corner pieces are.

give me your thoughts, I'll take the trip down to see it.

[lukedukem]

small block... is it matching numbers. take a magnet to test the panels and other areas. not too bad without inspecting it in person.
get him down a bit and it might be worth it. need more history on the car as well to make a better guess.

Luke

[twodko]

Well sir, not a bad looking car IMO. Yes there are some things that you'd
need to consider were you to make an offer on the car.
Rocker panels being one thing.......who knows how much rot lurks there.
The body gaps all look uniform and the trunk pan isn't too bad. I'd be pressing
down hard on the drivers/passenger floor pans to see if they are solid. The first thing
to go if I bought that car would be that air filter. Those have caused some nasty
fires because if there's a back fire through the carb the foam filter ignites
and POOF.....there goes the car.
If you wanted the AC functional that's not a huge project.
Interior looks good. Do all the instruments work? Radio? Does the heater/defroster work?
If you really like the car all you can do is offer a price and negotiate from there.
I hope it works out for you. Keep the DC.com posse in the loop.

[dyslexic teddybear]

Seems a solid start.....keyword being "seems".

Certainly worth investigating.

Good luck.

[moparnation74]

There is a member here by the user hemihampton that has a beautiful running/driving survivor 70 RT with matching drivetrain for sale asking 29k.  I would fork over the 9k over the car you listed here by a long shot.

The car is listed on cars on line.com, 70 charger survivor(michigan)

The one you listed above appears to have a lot of hidden rust and a lot of mud.

[dyslexic teddybear]

There is a member here by the user hemihampton that has a beautiful running/driving survivor 70 RT with matching drivetrain for sale asking 29k.  I would fork over the 9k over the car you listed here by a long shot.

The car is listed on cars on line.com, 70 charger survivor(michigan)

The one you listed above appears to have a lot of hidden rust and a lot of mud.

If one can afford nearly a third more.......yes....well worth it. 

May be worth it even if it's a stretch.

I'm really surprised it has not sold.....

[tan top]

 plan on putting a trunk floor with the drop down extensions  ,   & lower rear valance & end caps , lower front & rear  or complete quarters  , currently  been made the wrong shape out of bondo , then factor in maybe inner wheel well repair ,  repair or replace door bottoms ,  

photos ,  while a lot of  , don't really show anything important  , how far away is the car ?

[ACUDANUT]

Nice car, Nice price.

[greenpigs]

A little high to me, I think that is a 15K car and that SB better scream.

I see the bubbles and pealing paint in the door jam along with the black engine compartment and only looked at some of the pictures.

An offer of 12K isn't crazy to start but for 20K keep looking.

[ACUDANUT]

I agree, but it seems like there are a lot of 10K Chargers out there that are really rust buckets, in far worse shape. My 2 cents (if I am allowed a opinion and it's approved by a 44 y/0 .Mr. Global Moderator)

[Patronus]

Seems a good price. Almost too good. Best be taking a real good look.

[Beav]

There is a member here by the user hemihampton that has a beautiful running/driving survivor 70 RT with matching drivetrain for sale asking 29k.  I would fork over the 9k over the car you listed here by a long shot.

The car is listed on cars on line.com, 70 charger survivor(michigan)

The one you listed above appears to have a lot of hidden rust and a lot of mud.

Be VERY CAUTIOUS!  Take someone who really knows these cars (bodyman) with you for inspection.  9k savings would  be GONE if the metal under that paint is bad.  Plus.... it ain't a big block. (No disrespect the small block guys...)

Beav

[6spd68]

I like it!  If he'll take 16-18,000, I think you're doing pretty good.  Either way, as others have stated, check for rust/rot/little things that will need attention.

Did you want to make this a show car?  Or simply keep it as a driver?  If you just want a driver; I'd say swap that air filter, certify the vehicle, and enjoy it!  It would be money well spent that you're almost gauranteed to get back if you sell (in it's current condition). 

[Polygon]

20,000 is my limit.

Driver quality, as in daily driver. My daughter will probably drive it more than me. 318 which is good for me.

Thanks for the tip on the magnet, it's been so long, I forgot about that. I really appreciate the tips. It's about 90 minutes from my house.

[tan top]

pay attention to both rear quarters ,& what I mentioned in my above post ,   when your there looking in person !  if the rest of the car checks out good ,   can always replace , quarters , trunk floor etc , at a later date  
personally would give this car a miss   unless you can get it real  chaep !!

[6spd68]

20,000 is my limit.

Driver quality, as in daily driver. My daughter will probably drive it more than me. 318 which is good for me.

Thanks for the tip on the magnet, it's been so long, I forgot about that. I really appreciate the tips. It's about 90 minutes from my house.

Do it 

[hemi-hampton]

I'd be most concerned about all that bubbling rust hiding under that nice shiny paint job. I'd check out the trunk real good. Most likely Trunk & possibly rear frame rails, trunk extensions, Wheelwells, ect, ect. has all been replaced or bondoed over. If replaced probably a poor job needing replacing again properly. I say this because I never seen a trunk replaced correctly or quality to my satisfaction. Both rear corners missing the 2 parting lines meaning most likely all bondo. Check floors for rust or replacement. Good Luck.

[hemi-hampton]

2 more & I see more bubbling in other spots.

[NHCharger]

Those rust bubbles could break through in 5 months or 5 years. My 71 had bubbles like that for 10+ years before I needed to address them.
Any bubbles under the vinyl? Thought I saw sumpin' funny on driver side, over quarter window.
I'm betting the valance caps are sculpted out of bondo.
Under side and frame look good. Interior looks nice.
Most drivers have some filler, you have to expect that, If it's not Full of bondo and he would settle for 17k that would be a decent deal if you don't find any major issues with it.

[hemi-hampton]

In my opinion. Rust bubbles like that should be addressed NOW. Not 5 years from now. Unless you don't mind driving around with them & watching them grow bigger & bigger. I've worked on low budget used car lot cars before that would bubble like that within a month or 2 after I bondoed it & painted it. If it didn't sell within a month on the lot & started bubbling, it be right back again for a quicky touch up & now hoping it will sell within this next month.   LEON.

[twodko]

Hit up the Cooterman for his  , this guy has walked the walk IMO
whose opinion is based on practical experience.



Yeah......ok......he paid me to say that. 

[1974dodgecharger]

Hit up the Cooterman for his  , this guy has walked the walk IMO
whose opinion is based on practical experience.



Yeah......ok......he paid me to say that.  

Cooters though will straight up tell you not to get it   or go back to 1980 and offer the prices from those times which would be 1k for this car,  yeah he has done it.

other than that it is overpriced IMO because its a dealer.....my car is not even worth 20k though granted this car is in better condition than mine.

[TUFCAT]

RUN AWAY FROM THAT BONDO BUGGY!!! 

[Patronus]

Its one thing to stare a $20K AMD bill in the face. Its another to have to mow another man's lawn.
Run laddy, run!

[tan top]

In my opinion. Rust bubbles like that should be addressed NOW. Not 5 years from now. Unless you don't mind driving around with them & watching them grow bigger & bigger. I've worked on low budget used car lot cars before that would bubble like that within a month or 2 after I bondoed it & painted it. If it didn't sell within a month on the lot & started bubbling, it be right back again for a quicky touch up & now hoping it will sell within this next month.   LEON.

  what Leon said 

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[Ghoste]

Shot black paint over all the rusty parts and a quickie body job on the outside.  I'm no body man but when I see the body line starting to vanish on the 1/4 panels and rear valence caps carved out of bondo along with a black engine bay and black underside "resto", I start to get uneasy.  Factor in that a dealer is offering it and I get more skeptical.  It could be a solid car but I doubt it.
Whatever you do, do not go look at it without an influential devils advocate.  Bring a friend who knows bodywork and hates Mopars, if he greenlights then make an offer.

[wingcar]

Looks like a nice ride for the price.  My concerns would be number one...why would you paint over rust like they did and what else did they cover up with paint?  Also, why would you make the body look nice and not even clean up the bottom of the car?  This just gives the whole car the look of a quickie cleanup job and not a serious restoration.  Then of course you have the "Chevy" paint job in the engine compartment....black paint and not body colored paint.   As others have said, bring someone that has no emotional ties to the car or its sale and let them look it over.

*(I like these types of posts, as they remind me of someone asking their friends if they should marry the girl they just met....you have to live with your decision...not all of us so our opinions are just that..opinions) 

[70 sublime]

Take the time to go look at it but leave all your money at home
Look it over real good and take some pictures then go home and think about it for a week
If you still think it is a good idea then call the seller up and make an offer
At the very least you will have something to compare the next Charger you look at to
$20 000 is a lot of money and if this one does get away from you there will be another one come along
You should not be too sad if you do miss this Charger as there are some things on it that are going to need more money in the future

[wingcar]

Looks like a nice ride for the price.  My concerns would be number one...why would you paint over rust like they did and what else did they cover up with paint?  Also, why would you make the body look nice and not even clean up the bottom of the car?  This just gives the whole car the look of a quickie cleanup job and not a serious restoration.  Then of course you have the "Chevy" paint job in the engine compartment....black paint and not body colored paint.   As others have said, bring someone that has no emotional ties to the car or its sale and let them look it over.

*(I like these types of posts, as they remind me of someone asking their friends if they should marry the girl they just met....you have to live with your decision...not all of us so our opinions are just that..opinions)

[ACUDANUT]

 "You guys are so Negative here"
IMO This could be a great buy.
I have seen lots of project cars go for 12K

[Challenger340]

Forgive me for saying so..... NO Offense intended, but IMO, someone, ANYONE... would have to be ABSOLUTELY NUTS...... NOT to pay $29K for Hemihamptons Car versus any other Car.... even this one for the $20K.

Go to Cars online and FIND Hemihamptons 1970 Burnt Orange "survivor" R/T Charger.
ANYTHING you do to that Car at $29K is "Money in the Bank" !

Sorry.... just MY opinion.

[ACUDANUT]

 Maybe you and he should start a post/item like this item.

[myk]

Forgive me for saying so..... NO Offense intended, but IMO, someone, ANYONE... would have to be ABSOLUTELY NUTS...... NOT to pay $29K for Hemihamptons Car versus any other Car.... even this one for the $20K.

Go to Cars online and FIND Hemihamptons 1970 Burnt Orange "survivor" R/T Charger.
ANYTHING you do to that Car at $29K is "Money in the Bank" !

Sorry.... just MY opinion.

Hampton's car would be a solid buy.  If I had the money I'd be all over that one...

[lukedukem]

Forgive me for saying so..... NO Offense intended, but IMO, someone, ANYONE... would have to be ABSOLUTELY NUTS...... NOT to pay $29K for Hemihamptons Car versus any other Car.... even this one for the $20K.

Go to Cars online and FIND Hemihamptons 1970 Burnt Orange "survivor" R/T Charger.
ANYTHING you do to that Car at $29K is "Money in the Bank" !

Sorry.... just MY opinion.

just post the link

http://www.cars-on-line.com/47367.html

luke

[Cooter]

Hit up the Cooterman for his  , this guy has walked the walk IMO
whose opinion is based on practical experience.



Yeah......ok......he paid me to say that. 

No monies were collected before/during/after this post.

[Cooter]

Triying to give mine away @$17k and it at least has disc brakes, 5 speed, etc.
this car is a little high simply because I hate flippers that think they can make a living of this hobby.
as if these aren't priced high enough already.

John (1974DodgeCharger) bite my hairy ass.

[Beav]

 

[70 sublime]

Better question for all that think it is a good deal at $20 000 why is the car not sold yet ?

[6spd68]

I find anything over 10-13K tends to sit on the market for a lil bit; unless of course it's a really GREAT deal.  Look at how long decent GM/Fords stay posted before they sell.  I've seen similar with Mopars.

Dave, you remember that purple 70 track car that was up for 18,500$ for months? 

Mind you, I also remember when that car was only 8000$ from the guy  who built it...  That was the one I let slip through my fingers in 2011, but in the long run I'm better off (really just wanted a 68).

[fy469rtse]

I'd be looking at the 70 survivor car previously mentioned ,
this is just a good starting point,
tarted up complete surviving car, lots of cruddy stuff you cant see because its been covered up, in the edge of shots can just see enough of the sills area's to put me off
left rear lower qtr extension patch has been done too low and they bondoed the rear valance to match ,
ignore the shiny paint , look at the car for what it is ,
nice starting point,
and you will have to undo all his work in trying to cover things up
$ 5 K, and not much more

[Polygon]

Well, he did say "All original panels".

I guess I will wait a bit. And truthfully, only once in a great while does a well priced one come along.

Thanks for the rust check. YEARS ago, a guy I knew, had a nice Barracuda. After 5-7 years the up north rust started showing, and it basically fell apart.

[Ghoste]

I think this one is about to do the same.

[TUFCAT]

Some people see this as a blue Charger with some rust "bubbles".  

Here's the way I see the same charger....

No paint.  Gaping rust holes.  

Once you get into to stripping this car down it will cost the same amount to fix whether it was painted blue, in primer, or no paint at all....and that rust that was just "bubbling" might as well be the size of a Sunkist orange because it will have to be addressed the same way.

For me personally, the price should be much lower for a car like this ....because nobody knows what the hell's hiding underneath all the bondo and paint!    I'd rather find one in a farmers field... that take a gamble with this Jack-in-the Box for $20K.....especially a dead common 318 Charger 500,  with its a/c parts missing. The coolest (pin intended) part of this car.  

Run away from this car.  Its a nightmare. Even if you hit him with a $12K offer.... you will most likely be upside down after the cost of restoration.

[myk]

Better question for all that think it is a good deal at $20 000 why is the car not sold yet ?

318...

[1974dodgecharger]

Your a little harsh there...12k come on now theres cars worse than this that need an engine, tranny, floor pans, and quarters getting 10k in the farm field as you said.  This car at least runs and drives and at 12k is a good deal, but not at 20k.  Your looking at this car as full restoration vs a driveable car and which it is.....

Some people see this as a blue Charger with some rust "bubbles".  

Here's the way I see the same charger....

No paint.  Gaping rust holes.  

Once you get into to stripping this car down it will cost the same amount to fix whether it was painted blue, in primer, or no paint at all....and that rust that was just "bubbling" might as well be the size of a Sunkist orange because it will have to be addressed the same way.

For me personally, the price should be much lower for a car like this ....because nobody knows what the hell's hiding underneath all the bondo and paint!    I'd rather find one in a farmers field... that take a gamble with this Jack-in-the Box for $20K.....especially a dead common 318 Charger 500,  with its a/c parts missing. The coolest (pin intended) part of this car.  

Run away from this car.  Its a nightmare. Even if you hit him with a $12K offer.... you will most likely be upside down after the cost of restoration.

[hemi-hampton]

Forgive me for saying so..... NO Offense intended, but IMO, someone, ANYONE... would have to be ABSOLUTELY NUTS...... NOT to pay $29K for Hemihamptons Car versus any other Car.... even this one for the $20K.

Go to Cars online and FIND Hemihamptons 1970 Burnt Orange "survivor" R/T Charger.
ANYTHING you do to that Car at $29K is "Money in the Bank" !

Sorry.... just MY opinion.

I have to agree with Challenger 340, He know's what he is talking about   LEON.

[Daytona R/T SE]

There's a little "custom" work going on here.

[1974dodgecharger]

There's a little "custom" work going on here.

WTF...good eye....

[hemi-hampton]

The back looks like it has the same customization LEON.

[Ghoste]

Just folded under to bypass the worst rust?

[moparnation74]

Forgive me for saying so..... NO Offense intended, but IMO, someone, ANYONE... would have to be ABSOLUTELY NUTS...... NOT to pay $29K for Hemihamptons Car versus any other Car.... even this one for the $20K.

Go to Cars online and FIND Hemihamptons 1970 Burnt Orange "survivor" R/T Charger.
ANYTHING you do to that Car at $29K is "Money in the Bank" !

Sorry.... just MY opinion.!

I have to agree with Challenger 340, He know's what he is talking about   LEON.

No Sh#T!  That car is a diamond in need of some minor TLC! 

9k is 9k, I understand.  In a matter of time that blue car will need a repaint/bodywork soon.  Guess what, there is your 9k if not more and it has a small block

[ACUDANUT]

Again I am wrong. It is a rust bucket hidden under a nice paint job.

[TUFCAT]

Somewhere here (on page 2), I suggested to offer the seller $12K for this pile ....and then someone thought I was being harsh.

Well, my offer just went down.  

My new offer is $10K.     ....and the seller should take this offer and run - laughing all the way to the bank.  

[bill440rt]

I see a project car. Base your price offer on that.
If the body looks that bad in pics, think about what it's like in person. 

[greenpigs]

How many restore a 318 car?

[polywideblock]

   just to play devils advocate , say I was looking to own my first charger that I could drive now and restore later

the question is, is it a project car that you could cruise in  all summer long as opposed to the honest one sitting  in the field ( for the price )

               what's that worth 

[tan top]

Forgive me for saying so..... NO Offense intended, but IMO, someone, ANYONE... would have to be ABSOLUTELY NUTS...... NOT to pay $29K for Hemihamptons Car versus any other Car.... even this one for the $20K.

Go to Cars online and FIND Hemihamptons 1970 Burnt Orange "survivor" R/T Charger.
ANYTHING you do to that Car at $29K is "Money in the Bank" !

Sorry.... just MY opinion.

I have to agree with Challenger 340, He know's what he is talking about   LEON.

Agreed   

[Ghoste]

   just to play devils advocate , say I was looking to own my first charger that I could drive now and restore later

the question is, is it a project car that you could cruise in  all summer long as opposed to the honest one sitting  in the field ( for the price )

               what's that worth 

I think the only one who can answer that is the individual.  It's like "should I save up until I can pay cash for a big screen tv or do I love television so much that I'll take a credit card hit and big dollars in interest".

[Cncguy]

Just make sure the sale goes your way not his. In other words pay what your willing.

[TUFCAT]

This car has a place in the hobby....but not for $20,000!

For the right price it could be a cheap way to get into the hobby with a running, driving car.  But after a few weeks, months, whatever, etc,  how happy will a person be with his investment dollars after the fun wears off?

When the decision comes that its no longer appealing "as is", it will be time to decide whether to sell (hopefully without losing a lot of money).... or restore?

No offense, but I would never put a lot of restoration dollars into this car (barring sentimental reasons of course) because a person would be much better off putting that money into something else with more appeal.  

[Moparpoolman]

OP, You need to keep in mind that all the bubbling you can see in the pictures will get much worse over time.  I think the car is overpriced knowing that it will need body and paint in the near future.  I don't think the price could be discounted enough for me to think it was a good deal. My advise would be to look for another Charger in better condition, even if it means spending a little more.  A little more spent now is going to save you thousands later.

[Polygon]

Again, thanks for all the replies.

Very interesting, the body work near the tires, as pointed out by Daytona R/T SE.

Guess I will pass for now. ...........

[1974dodgecharger]

Somewhere here (on page 2), I suggested to offer the seller $12K for this pile ....and then someone thought I was being harsh.

Well, my offer just went down.  

My new offer is $10K.     ....and the seller should take this offer and run - laughing all the way to the bank.  

U can ask for it but I promise u it will go for more than 10k u must be out of reality tufcatat what the market is even in this so called downturn.  This car runs that's more than enough for 75 percent of the buyers....rust buckets that don't have a engine that runs or tranny go for 10k still...it's what the market demands right now.....this ain't no Chevy or ford.

[TUFCAT]

That's what I would pay for it.

[Highbanked Hauler]

Again, thanks for all the replies.

Very interesting, the body work near the tires, as pointed out by Daytona R/T SE.

Guess I will pass for now. ...........

   It probably has had sheet metal patches welded in not new panels and probably the wheel houses have been repaired also.

[1974dodgecharger]

That's what I would pay for it.

Copy that.....

[lukedukem]

http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/cto/4905908742.html

[1965gp]

Someone will pay close to 20k for that car. May not be the best investment- but someone will pay it.

Shells of 2nd gens go for 6k on eBay- this car obviously needs work but as mentioned it can be enjoyed right away and on an emotional buy like this (when has a purchase of a 68-70 Charger not been an emotional buy in the last 25 yrs?) someone new to the hobby is going to check the oil and see that is clean (and a week old..) and figure they will take their chances.

Mine didn't need this much body work but the interior wasn't that nice either. I don't think 15k is too far out of line for this car. You could probably part it out for 10!