Thoughts and Opinions on this '70??

[PrisonHack]

https://littlerock.craigslist.org/cto/4852459565.html

[70 sublime]

Think I would like to see some pictures of the frame

[PrisonHack]

 He sent me some, but they are on my phone and I am at work right now, they look solid but I'm no expert, I will post them later.

[lukedukem]

I've decided to let go of this 70 Charger to help finance my other Mopar projects. The car comes as a roller. It is a bucket seat console car. I have the grill and bumpers in my shop. All of the interior is there, but needs restoration. The cat is solid up front, front cap, roof, doors, etc..., but it does have some rust in the normal places, pan, 1/4s, and dutchman panel. Good car to start with, not a lot of missing pieces. Not real interested in trades unless you have a 69 Roadrunner or something real cool or a nice crewcab pick up. I have 3 motorcycles, so I'm probably not interested in a motorcycle trade. I've been offered $4000 twice and $4500 once, and two of them was resellers, so I know its worth around my asking price. I turned down all 3 offers, so please don't be ridiculous with offers. If I can't get enough out of it to buy metal for my other projects, I'll just keep it. Clean title.. Call or text if interested, I don't check my email very often. (870)613-27-five-eight. Thanks for looking, Josh

[Cncguy]

Looks rough.

[70 sublime]

Looks rough.

It might look rough but I do not see any big holes or dents in those pictures

Think it all comes down to how long it has been sitting out side in the grass (why it would be nice to see pics of the frame  )

[lukedukem]

Looks rough.

It might look rough but I do not see any big holes or dents in those pictures

Think it all comes down to how long it has been sitting out side in the grass (why it would be nice to see pics of the frame  )

makes me always wonder why people don't post more pictures. and not just of the outside. at least the inside. 

luke

[rt green]

if that is worth that much, mine should be a gold mine.

[tan top]

Looks rough.

It might look rough but I do not see any big holes or dents in those pictures

Think it all comes down to how long it has been sitting out side in the grass (why it would be nice to see pics of the frame  )

makes me always wonder why people don't post more pictures. and not just of the outside. at least the inside. 

luke

yes ive thought that , in the ole days before digital cameras , could sort of understand , but not todays digital cameras , 

[Mytur Binsdirti]

makes me always wonder why people don't post more pictures. and not just of the outside. at least the inside.  

That's probably all the memory he had left on his cell phone. Being from Arkansas, just about all of the memory has to be taken up by pictures of his sisters, cousins and farm animals.

[ACUDANUT]

  You know, I married my wife in Arkansas.  Although we got a divorce, we are still brother and sister.

[F8-4life]

Car looks pretty rough but that does not mean he won't get his price for it.
The decider maybe whether or not he has a mint grill for it.

[PrisonHack]

  Trying to figure out how to post the pictures he sent me via text, but not having any luck (possibly because I am also from Arkansas) says it needs front floor pans and there are some pencil sized hole sin the trunk pan. The pictures he sent me are from the rear spring perch areas and they look pretty clean.

[PrisonHack]

 Sorry it took a while, i'm in the middle of remodeling my master bathrom

[lukedukem]

That's not bad.

Luke

[charger_fan_4ever]

Looks decent for sure. $5k be a decent buy if it comes with a nice grill. Check over those fenders and hood real good as no repops available and finding rust free ones are impossible. Easily $2k in the fenders,hood if they need to be replaced.

[Lennard]

In my opinion you need more pictures (interior, inside trunk, under hood) and information to determine if it's worth the asking price.

[charger_fan_4ever]

In my opinion you need more pictures (interior, inside trunk, under hood) and information to determine if it's worth the asking price.

IMO safe bet that any 2nd generation that hasn't been restored that is out to pasture will need a complete interior. So think Minimum $3k for interior with upper doors pads ect. Yes i learned this one on my own lol.

[Patronus]

As with any resto you will end up replacing everything. Everything. I'm no expert, but my opinion is it's fair. Shape and price. If it's close with minimal expense to get it into your garage then it's doable. Not many '70s or there. Prob won't leave much on the bone if you intend to sell later though..

[PrisonHack]

 Guess Im just going to pass on this one, I got excited finding a second generation for sale withing a few hours, but I really want a '68-'69 and this may be more work than I have time to tackle. I think I will wait a little longer and pay a little more for something with a drivetrain.

[wingcar]

Might be good for a Daytona Clone project

[70 sublime]

Wish it was closer to me because I would drag that home 

[PrisonHack]

 Yeah I guess I could low ball him and see what happens, worse that he could say is no.

[70 sublime]

Yeah I guess I could low ball him and see what happens, worse that he could say is no.

I bet you could get it for $5000

Sounds like he does not want to sell it to a flipper

Take the time to go look at it and see for yourself what the pictures are not showing and tell him you want to build it yourself

[Challenger340]

Considering what's left out there these days.... not a bad deal as far as something to "start with" I guess ?
That said....
just how much is it gonna cost to put back together ? in any kind of decently running, driving, and complete condition ?
In my experience... take your best estimate, then double it !

Apologies here.... just say'in be prepared ?

[PrisonHack]

 No apologies neccessary, you are probably right.  My wheels are just turning and considering, but all in all it would probably be better to wait unless it was say 1500-2K cheaper.

[PrisonHack]

http://memphis.craigslist.org/cto/4826022464.html   I need to find a charger in about this condition  

[tipopiola]

No apologies neccessary, you are probably right.  My wheels are just turning and considering, but all in all it would probably be better to wait unless it was say 1500-2K cheaper.

I usually assume that there's somewhere between a little and a lot of wiggle room on price when someone lists something on Craigslist.  I figure he wants $5000, and he knows that whoever picks it up is gonna lowball him a little bit so he put the price at $7000.  I think that's kind of a given when dealing with old/used/collectable anything being put up for sale by a private party.  

[tipopiola]

I just looked at the ad again, wasn't it $7000 before, I swear I saw it for sale for $7000?  Looks like he dropped it to $6500...its a step in the right direction.

[70 sublime]

I know the Charger I have now is not the first Charger I ever bought
I worked my way up to it learning on all the other cars along the way of what to look for and stay away from

If you have never had a Charger it does not mean you have to keep this one for ever

You see what other Chargers are selling for if this one is not the one just work on it some maybe get some kind of motor in it and then sell it IF you can find something better

That way you will not be on the outside looking in anymore 

[PrisonHack]

 I ask if he would take 5K he countered with 5500

[tipopiola]

I ask if he would take 5K he countered with 5500

Cool, tell him $5250 and you'll come with hundred dollar bills....and 1 fifty!   

[PrisonHack]

If I decide on it I am definently going to ask him to come down the amount it cost me for fuel in my buddys rollback

[PrisonHack]

Pictures

[PrisonHack]

more

[The70RT]

If he throws in the grill and the bumper maybe it would sell.

[PrisonHack]

Grill and bumpers are included

[rt green]

included? really....   hmmmmmm........this is sounding better. do you think you're up it?

[PrisonHack]

 I may have a false sense of confidence because of the bathroom remodel I am just finishing up.  I have no experience cutting and welding metal though, it would be learn as I go.

[lukedukem]

I may have a false sense of confidence because of the bathroom remodel I am just finishing up.  I have no experience cutting and welding metal though, it would be learn as I go.

so does this mean you are gonna go for it?

luke

[70 sublime]

If you get a chance to go look at it make sure the frame that holds the back end of the torsion bars is good also

[PrisonHack]

I may have a false sense of confidence because of the bathroom remodel I am just finishing up.  I have no experience cutting and welding metal though, it would be learn as I go.

so does this mean you are gonna go for it?

luke

Still not sure

[PrisonHack]

If you get a chance to go look at it make sure the frame that holds the back end of the torsion bars is good also

Have a picture of this area?

[lukedukem]

in this thread there is some pics of the area he is referring to.

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,1657.0.html

the one your looking at will most likely not have the frame ties but these pics are good examples of the area



Luke

[PrisonHack]

 Ok I see what your saying, right beside where he has the sub-frame connectors bolted in correct?  Im used to looking at a fox body rack and pinion setip, I know nothing about torsion bars or the front end in general on these

[lukedukem]

Ok I see what your saying, right beside where he has the sub-frame connectors bolted in correct?  Im used to looking at a fox body rack and pinion setip, I know nothing about torsion bars or the front end in general on these

correct

luke

[70 sublime]

Pictures from my own stuff over the years

first 2 you want
last 2 stay away (was my parts car)

[PrisonHack]

Yikes there is nothing left in the third picture     This is good info whether I buy this car or keep looking, thanks guys.

[Troy]

I gotta say, from selling off several of my cars I'd have felt like I hit the lottery if someone would have given me that much for a car in that condition. Maybe prices are higher these days - but if it was a great deal it'd be gone by now.

I can also say, as a person with no body work experience myself, that buying a car that needs a LOT of metal work is a horrible idea. I kept the best ones I had and the amount of effort I've put into just one car is staggering. Going on 3 years now for my "easy resto". I have learned to weld and block sand but, seriously, I'd be so much farther ahead if I'd have A) bought a better car or B) paid someone to fix it. Option B is way more expensive than option A! Doing it yourself sounds like a brilliant plan until you factor in the tools and time (especially to do things more than once). I have a $1,600 rotisserie, $1,300 compressor, $900 welder, $150 welding mask, $250 in body hammers/dollies, $75 sanding blocks, several hundred dollars in air tools and spray guns, and then all the consumables: $300 welding gas (had to pay the tank deposit), $30 welding wire, $150 in sanding discs, $75 in grinding discs, $30 in sanding belts, $30 spot weld cutter(s), $300 in rust remover/metal wash/protectant/weld through primer/etching primer, $200 in various grits of sand paper for block sanding, $150 epoxy primer, $100 filler primer, $120 in various body fillers, $100 in seam sealer, and untold amount of masking tape, masking paper, and drop cloth plastic. I have no idea how much electricity and water I've used. And then there's all the stuff you lose and/or destroy getting it apart that you have to replace: window seals, clips, body plugs and gaskets, light lenses, wiring, wiring clips, hoses, and so on.

Granted, at one point I had eight projects so some of that costs gets spread around (except consumables). Labor still accumulates though.

Then you get to learn how to recover seats, install a headliner, fight with carpet that has lumps in the wrong places, rebuild an engine, transmission, rear axle, and brakes. You know, the easy stuff.

After my wealth of experience, I seriously think (most) people should just find a way to buy a "done" car and drive the heck out of it.

Troy

[PrisonHack]

 I appreciate you sharing your experience and opinion, like I said I haven't commited to it. I guess I got a little excited because it's the first charger I have seen for sale in a three hour driving radius. Im really leaning towards waiting a little longer and spending more. My budget would allow me to purchase the car and the replacement metal at the moment but after that it would be save a little and fix a little over and over. If I keep saving at the rate Im going for another year It might be smarter to use someone like JJ Best and put my saving towards a down payment on a mostly turn key car. Making the payments wouldn't be much different that buying parts and materials each month I suppose.