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How to Clean a Rusty Fender Tag.

Started by hemi-hampton, January 01, 2015, 07:44:59 PM

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hemi-hampton

I had a Fender tag so rusty I could not read it. I soaked it in Oxalic Acid & it cleaned the rust off pretty good. now readable. Before & after pics below. LEON.

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moparnation74

Good info, thanks.

What is your next step on restoring this tag?

twodko

The process I used was to soak the tag in Lacquer thinner.
Then I brushed off as much crud as I could with a brass
bristle brush and finished up running it under a wire wheel.

After this it's ready for paint or a clear coat.
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Ghoste

That's quite an improvement, stupid question but where would one typically look for oxalic acid?

Mopar Nut

Quote from: Ghoste on January 02, 2015, 12:51:24 AM
That's quite an improvement, stupid question but where would one typically look for oxalic acid?
I was going to ask the same thing.
"Dear God, my prayer for 2024 is a fat bank account and a thin body. Please don't mix these up like you did the last ten years."

Just 6T9 CHGR

Would that new Evapo Rust product work as well?
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Dmichels

You can find Oxalic Acid at any hardware store as "wood bleach" or you can buy online from many sources. It is usually found as a powder. DO NO breath the dust. This also is great for cleaning out radiators it was the active ingredient in the old 2 part radiator cleaner. the other was borax to neutralize after cleaning
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Ghoste

Learned three useful things in this thread then.  :cheers:

Chad L. Magee

Vinegar solution will do the same thing (over a longer period of time though) and is less toxic than oxalic acid (which has a 3 health rating, severe).  I use it all the time to clean old, rusty license plates in a large plastic container with a lid.  Don't forget to neutralize the acid after you remove it from the bath or it will start the rusting process over again, even if you clean off the visible rust.  I use a sodium bicarbonate paste for the neutralization process...
Ph.D. Metallocene Chemist......

Mopar Nut

"Dear God, my prayer for 2024 is a fat bank account and a thin body. Please don't mix these up like you did the last ten years."

John_Kunkel

Pardon me but my karma just ran over your dogma.

bill440rt

I used oxalic acid when I restored this set of road wheels:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,113265.0.html

Found it at the local hardware store in the paint supply section. It was near the deck refinishing supplies area.
I wanted to use Evaporust, but reading up on the stuff said it would affect or discolor chrome.

It was a slow soak process, but it did work pretty good. I found brushing the rusted area every so often sped up the process.
"Strive for perfection in everything. Take the best that exists and make it better. If it doesn't exist, create it. Accept nothing nearly right or good enough." Sir Henry Rolls Royce

hemi-hampton

I use Heavy Duty pure white crystaline Pharmacutical grade 99.9% pure Oxalic Acid. This is much stronger then Wood Bleach or Zud, both of those use Oxalic acid also. I typically use this acid to clean my rusty beer cans. Pic below. LEON.

hemi-hampton

Another Pic.

fc7_plumcrazy


polywideblock

what about good old fashioned molasses /water      :scratchchin:    mixed 9:1 water/molasses    its been used for years   :yesnod:

         something thin like a fender tag I'd check it every hour or so   :yesnod:

                             


  and 71 GA4  383 magnum  SE

Dmichels

amazing how the paint stayed on the beer can after cleaning I need to remember that one thanks for the tip
please explain the molasses process I am not familiar with that one
Thanks
Dave
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polywideblock

simply mix 1 part molasses with 9 parts water in a large tub, immerse what you want rust removed from in it and check every couple of days. takes about a week or so for brake drums etc.  froths and fumes and smells a bit too  :yesnod:  basically some kind of fermentation  I think

  look online I'm sure there will be YouTube clips showing how

like I said I'd be checking every day for something as thin as a fender tag   :yesnod:  :scratchchin:
 
also note where there was rust there will be "nothing", as in rust dissolved and gone (maybe holes in a very corroded tag )

 sure one of the scientific types on the site can explain what chemical process is taking place


  and 71 GA4  383 magnum  SE

TUFCAT

On Leon's beer can photo the green paint was preserved underneath the rust scale the at was removed.

That seems like a very gentle process to me, almost what you would expect from Evapo-rust, or a similar product.

The big question is how much does it cost?  :scratchchin:

Dmichels

not much I paid about $10 for 2 pounds try EBay
Dave
Again do not breath the dust it is bad for you
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bill440rt

Quote from: TUFCAT on January 03, 2015, 11:05:30 PM
On Leon's beer can photo the green paint was preserved underneath the rust scale the at was removed.

That seems like a very gentle process to me, almost what you would expect from Evapo-rust, or a similar product.

The big question is how much does it cost?  :scratchchin:


I think the container I bought at the hardware store was about $5-6 bucks or so? It was powdered oxalic acid, not deck cleaner or something similar.
The only drawback I found was that although the painted or chrome finish was not disturbed, the metal left behind still remained discolored. Polishing, etc did not remove or help the discoloration at all.
I think Evapo-rust would probably work better, but not sure what the affect would be on painted or chrome surfaces. Forums I researched stated not to use on chrome, that it would affect the chrome.
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kamkuda

I use phosphoric acid to remove rust and it works wonders.  We use it as a stain and scale product for swimming pools/  It is also what most companies use as a rust convertor.
I put it in an old cooler.
I first used it by soaking a set of rusted seat rails.  Made them like new.

hemi-hampton

2 pounds of Oxalic Acid can be used in probably 100 gallons of water. Evaporust is what? $30 a quart or something. $30 of Evaporust is = to .25 cents of Oxalic acid. LEON.

b5blue

Quote from: kamkuda on January 04, 2015, 04:57:28 PM
I use phosphoric acid to remove rust and it works wonders.  We use it as a stain and scale product for swimming pools/  It is also what most companies use as a rust convertor.
I put it in an old cooler.
I first used it by soaking a set of rusted seat rails.  Made them like new.

That's the main agent in OSPHO. Citric acid works well but slow, that is how molasses works. The molasses triggers bacteria that form citric acid. You can buy a bag of citric acid to use. Pure vitamin C, food grade online. 

Dmichels

While we are on the subject of rust I here good things about electrolysis. I never tried it myself but I have seen videos and pictures and the results are amazing. One of these days I will try it
Dave
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moparnation74

There is a lot I learned in this thread :2thumbs:

Thanks to the OP and the comments :2thumbs: