First dead Hellcat

[Drache]

BEFORE:


1 HOUR AFTER LEAVING THE LOT:




Both occupants of the vehicle are ok. Car is supposedly being written off as "Totaled"

Appears to be a case of going too fast around a corner right into a tree:

[charger Downunder]

So sad was that your car.

[DC_1]

 Ouch!

Too much car for the average person to handle.

[RIDELIKEHELL]

ooops

[War wagon]

  it's only a matter of time and there will be a LOT more of them. 700hp RWD demands respect from the driver , that car was using summer only tires below their operating temperature which is dangerous IMHO on any car.

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Being from Colorado, I wonder if he was he playing varnishing point?

[War wagon]

There was another one that was taken out first by a deer, or so the story goes LOL I'll see if I can find the pics. Was granite crystal iirc

[J.Bond]

Seeing this infuriates me to NO END, ONE HOUR, and they wrote it off. Well I hope that Fiat incorporates the Ferrari sales attitude into Dodge. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that they check your driving record, and if you have damaged a Ferrari in the past, NO SOUP FOR YOU!!!!!!!

As for the idiot who was checking bark depth on the trees, they should, NOT be rewarded with a new one by the insurance company, they should have their car returned repaired, lets face it, I'm sure if you give them another hour or two, it will be back for more repair

Keep in mind, if they give them a new one, someone else, who has not damaged one will have to wait longer.... not fair.....

[JR]

Meh, the factory is building new ones everyday.

Just think of it as the first potential hellcat motor swap has now become available.

[b5blue]

Insurance is what killed the muscle car, I was there and remember. I was 18 in 73 and with gas going up muscle was everywhere but mandatory yearly insurance cost as much as the car cost to buy. (Then, like now I didn't care about fuel costs.)

[stripedelete]

Wow, retro right down to the crash.

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

More important question is who put that tree right in that spot!! 

[dual fours]

I bet they weren't going as fast as everybody thinks.
Is there a "Black Box" on board the Hellcat?
New cars look bad when crashed, it's the way there built, to crush on impact.
Skid marks, with Anti lock?  
I don't know how these cars handle yet, but was the car coming over the hill and lifted the weight off the wheels and then the weight came down on the right hand curve? Picture this, your in a right hand turn, and just coming off of a hump, you feel the car lift off the road, your still in the right hand turn, and when you feel the tires grab the road, your still in that right hand turn and over correct the steering and fishtail right in to the trees.
Good thing they are  OK, and did not take anyone out.
A dash camera would have been cool to had on, although self incriminating.
If any one knows the road / curve and can get a fix on the location, that would be interesting to see.
People will be testing these cars in a non controlled environment, it's the nature of the Beast.

http://www.streetlegaltv.com/news/hellcat-carnage-this-one-left-the-lot-an-hour-later-it-is-totaled/
 

[el dub]

Look at the good side. There's a motor for sale for someones charger.

[SRT-440]

Anyone buying a HC or a 392 SRT like mine...the F1 Supercar tires are dangerous at temps 50 degrees and below. They make the car completely unstable and like its on ice...very scary.
Just the other day it was 40 degrees and I gunned my 392 at 55 mph and the car fish tailed. In summer, it sticks and hooks....I cant imagine 600+ RWHP with these tires in the winter. Expect a lot more horror stories...

[RJS]

Maybe he's a member in the more money than brains club??

[moparnation74]

Sad site to see with inexperienced and careless drivers.

Glad to hear no one was significanly injured and no fatalities.

[Charger-Bodie]

I'm guessing that will be the end of his hellcat career. Insurance was probably high before and likely close to impossible now.

[TUFCAT]

I'm guessing that will be the end of his hellcat career. Insurance was probably high before and likely close to impossible now.

Not only that....it's gotta' be embarrassing!  

[Mike DC]

There will be plenty more of this coming.


The Viper crowd is probably tickled pink that some other car might finally produce a worse record than theirs.  At least Vipers are 1/3rd-ton lighter than Hellcats and require owners who can drive a stick.    

 
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The onboard black box thing is scary.  We REALLY need a firm legal ruling about who gets to used that info & what circumstances. 

If we don't fight about it then it's a matter of time before the situation ends up rigged totally against us.  The dealers & insurance corps will get to optionally use the info against car owners when it convicts us, but we won't be given access to use it to defend ourselves when it exonerates us.

[myk]

I'm all about freedom and individual rights, but IMO making a 700 horsepower car available to the reckless, incompetent and careless driving masses that can't handle 120 horsepower Hondas is just asking for disaster.  Personally, "I" will never oppose the existence of the car, but I wonder if the pending string of casualties  (it's going to come, we all know it is) that are destined to happen will create some sort of national backlash with the over-bearing nanny state that this country now lives in...

[rt green]

that didn't take john q public long. 

[472 R/T SE]

It won't be long now.  What's the saying about history repeating itself?   

[ws23rt]

I'm all about freedom and individual rights, but IMO making a 700 horsepower car available to the reckless, incompetent and careless driving masses that can't handle 120 horsepower Hondas is just asking for disaster.  Personally, "I" will never oppose the existence of the car, but I wonder if the pending string of casualties  (it's going to come, we all know it is) that are destined to happen will create some sort of national backlash with the over-bearing nanny state that this country now lives in...

I feel the same way    This car is in the news for now and that brings extra attention to it.
The backlash we may see will come from those same kind of folks that want to take away guns because of a big news item that involves them.

The incompetent and careless driving masses do what they do in what ever they are "driving". That will never change.

[chargerman69]

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[Aero426]

It won't be long now.  What's the saying about history repeating itself?   

The current party is too good to last. 

[polywideblock]

as I said in the other thread all it will take is for it to be a slow day at the office at one of the" national rags "where someone comes up with the story " too fast and  too powerful, death-traps being sold to the public "

    its what happened over here the first time with the muscle cars back in the 70's    

           http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercar_scare      bloody papers   

[Mike DC]

   
Hellcats are too expensive & rare for the problem to get very severe.  It's a few thousand cars and many will be treated as instant collectors items. 

People have been smashing up 1-hour-old Vipers & Corvettes for decades. 

[Ghoste]

 

[six-tee-nine]

Talking about history repaeting itself...

After the oil crisis in the 70's everything was downsized for fuel consumption. nowadays car engines need to be downsized again for less fuel consumption and environmental reasons.

Over here in Europe if you dare to buy anything over 2 litres of cylinder capacity mr. government says   and sends a huge tax bill.
They even go that far that the cities and rural places can fine you if you drive a pre 1991 car into the center of town. I think they really want mr average Joe buying a horse again.

There are no laws yet to limit producing high power sports cars, and probably never will. The car manufacture lobby is to powerful for that imo, but it will come down to the same thing as 40 years ago. You will pay your a$$ off to drive one.

[tan top]

  wonder if its this one  ,  same color     3 minutes 4 seconds into the video 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tck3jgaZlhE

[dual fours]

Check out the curve and the trees, they all have bark off! The blue sign reads "Drive Safely"
Google maps   11932 riverdale rd. Brighton, Colorado  
Can't post a link to the location.

[Homerr]

34yo + $60k + 707hp = predictable result

[Mytur Binsdirti]

I dedicate this song to him


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4p8RYoJ9DQ

[1974dodgecharger]

how much for engine 

[charger Downunder]

Check out the curve and the trees, they all have bark off! The blue sign reads "Drive Safely"
Google maps   11932 riverdale rd. Brighton, Colorado  
Can't post a link to the location.

Just checked out google maps its a bad corner trees with bark of and the blue sign reads Please drive safely in Memory of ..... Two people.

https://www.google.com.au/maps/@39.9111323,-104.9021924,3a,37.5y,0.16h,84.26t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1smz7upHe7y8OtYymgSREXfw!2e0

[Homerr]

There, I fixed it.

[Dino]

Talking about history repaeting itself...

After the oil crisis in the 70's everything was downsized for fuel consumption. nowadays car engines need to be downsized again for less fuel consumption and environmental reasons.

Over here in Europe if you dare to buy anything over 2 litres of cylinder capacity mr. government says   and sends a huge tax bill.
They even go that far that the cities and rural places can fine you if you drive a pre 1991 car into the center of town. I think they really want mr average Joe buying a horse again.

There are no laws yet to limit producing high power sports cars, and probably never will. The car manufacture lobby is to powerful for that imo, but it will come down to the same thing as 40 years ago. You will pay your a$$ off to drive one.

I left that dump of a country almost 8 years ago now.  I am shocked when my family tells me all about the new laws they keep getting pummeled with.  Driving a big car in Belgium was a nightmare, it seems tey just don't want you to be happy over there.  Kinda ticks me off when people in the US complain about their government as they have no clue how good they have it.  I do miss the health care though.   

[moparnation74]

Talking about history repaeting itself...

After the oil crisis in the 70's everything was downsized for fuel consumption. nowadays car engines need to be downsized again for less fuel consumption and environmental reasons.

Over here in Europe if you dare to buy anything over 2 litres of cylinder capacity mr. government says   and sends a huge tax bill.
They even go that far that the cities and rural places can fine you if you drive a pre 1991 car into the center of town. I think they really want mr average Joe buying a horse again.

There are no laws yet to limit producing high power sports cars, and probably never will. The car manufacture lobby is to powerful for that imo, but it will come down to the same thing as 40 years ago. You will pay your a$$ off to drive one.

I left that dump of a country almost 8 years ago now.  I am shocked when my family tells me all about the new laws they keep getting pummeled with.  Driving a big car in Belgium was a nightmare, it seems tey just don't want you to be happy over there.  Kinda ticks me off when people in the US complain about their government as they have no clue how good they have it.  I do miss the health care though.   

Good points, Dino!  We are very fortunate here in the US. 

[six-tee-nine]

OK I know its off topic but Dino, You do know its not just that....
Its not a matter of taking your kids to the airport and telling your friends and family "solong guys"...... and how about getting a job in another country. I'm just a working class hero with bills to pay and mouths to feed so going for such an adventure is not for the fainth of hearth. I applaud you for doing so and glad things turned out better for you. But personaly I dont see it happening for me.
Maybe one day when my parents are gone but then my kids will be grown and have kids of their own wich you dont want to leave behind....

And its not just owning or driving a car that is messed up over here, If you want a decent house with a bit land you are 0.5 million Euro's poorer. Young people here live with their parents up to their 30's these days to then take a morgage for 30 years to have their own roof over their head, just sick.

[dual fours]

Check out the curve and the trees, they all have bark off! The blue sign reads "Drive Safely"
Google maps   11932 riverdale rd. Brighton, Colorado  
Can't post a link to the location.

Just checked out google maps its a bad corner trees with bark of and the blue sign reads Please drive safely in Memory of ..... Two people.

https://www.google.com.au/maps/@39.9111323,-104.9021924,3a,37.5y,0.16h,84.26t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1smz7upHe7y8OtYymgSREXfw!2e0

Yea, your link to the map does not work either, it's those last black letters and numbers, will not let you go there.

[charger Downunder]

Works for me copy and paste it into your browser including the black letters dont right click it and open linc in new tab.

[odcics2]

I dedicate this song to him


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4p8RYoJ9DQ

cool! 

I hear your song and raise you one:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAXyU8ueEm4

[Dino]

OK I know its off topic but Dino, You do know its not just that....
Its not a matter of taking your kids to the airport and telling your friends and family "solong guys"...... and how about getting a job in another country. I'm just a working class hero with bills to pay and mouths to feed so going for such an adventure is not for the fainth of hearth. I applaud you for doing so and glad things turned out better for you. But personaly I dont see it happening for me.
Maybe one day when my parents are gone but then my kids will be grown and have kids of their own wich you dont want to leave behind....

And its not just owning or driving a car that is messed up over here, If you want a decent house with a bit land you are 0.5 million Euro's poorer. Young people here live with their parents up to their 30's these days to then take a morgage for 30 years to have their own roof over their head, just sick.

I know.  I was fortunate to be in a situation where I could pack up my things and leave.  It still is one of the hardest things I ever did though, but I had no family to bring along.  To be honest, the so-long part was not that bad.  There's phones and internet and I still keep in touch with a lot of folks over there.  The job part is easiest.  I  had to wait for my work permit initially but had no trouble finding or keeping a job since then.  Life here is so much easier it's not even funny.  I miss certain things about Belgium, especially since all my child hood memories are there, but moving here was the best thing I ever did.  Being able to drive a Charger around whenever is just a bonus and would be a bad reason to move.  Do they still use the 'O' plate on classics so you can't drive around at night and such?  Putting a regular plate on a car like this would cost you a ton of money on insurance and taxes but there used to be a way to have your classic car road legal while not having the classic license plate.  I wouldn't be surprised if they nixed that though.

I lived in Belgium until I was 33.  I did as much undeclared work as I could just to make a living.  And I lived in a small studio apartment in Merksem, not exactly living the high life.  

It was near impossible for me to buy a house, something decent at least.  If I would have to go back I'd look for a house outside of the city just to bring the price down a bit.  But as I have heard from relatives, even those prices are rising fast.

[1974dodgecharger]

Call junkyard they are parting it now.....like I said I got dibs on engine.

[472 R/T SE]

I don't think I'd want to take a chance.  If I was in the market & had the $$, it would have to be the crate version.
Problem is the amount of cash it'd take for the motor & a tranny, you could have bought a real nice R/T driver of some shape.

[Mike DC]

   
I'm glad the Hellcats exist but a stroker gen-2 Hemi or 440 would do the job of making 700hp better. 

Mopar only supercharged the heck out of a 6-liter engine because they didn't have a dramatically bigger engine in the LX platform to use instead.   

   

[JB400]

   
I'm glad the Hellcats exist but a stroker gen-2 Hemi or 440 would do the job of making 700hp better. 

Mopar only supercharged the heck out of a 6-liter engine because they didn't have a dramatically bigger engine in the LX platform to use instead.   

   

I'd like to see you get 20 mpg's out of a 700 hp big block or stroker Hemi, with the weight savings, of course.

[six-tee-nine]

OK I know its off topic but Dino, You do know its not just that....
Its not a matter of taking your kids to the airport and telling your friends and family "solong guys"...... and how about getting a job in another country. I'm just a working class hero with bills to pay and mouths to feed so going for such an adventure is not for the fainth of hearth. I applaud you for doing so and glad things turned out better for you. But personaly I dont see it happening for me.
Maybe one day when my parents are gone but then my kids will be grown and have kids of their own wich you dont want to leave behind....

And its not just owning or driving a car that is messed up over here, If you want a decent house with a bit land you are 0.5 million Euro's poorer. Young people here live with their parents up to their 30's these days to then take a morgage for 30 years to have their own roof over their head, just sick.

I know.  I was fortunate to be in a situation where I could pack up my things and leave.  It still is one of the hardest things I ever did though, but I had no family to bring along.  To be honest, the so-long part was not that bad.  There's phones and internet and I still keep in touch with a lot of folks over there.  The job part is easiest.  I  had to wait for my work permit initially but had no trouble finding or keeping a job since then.  Life here is so much easier it's not even funny.  I miss certain things about Belgium, especially since all my child hood memories are there, but moving here was the best thing I ever did.  Being able to drive a Charger around whenever is just a bonus and would be a bad reason to move.  Do they still use the 'O' plate on classics so you can't drive around at night and such?  Putting a regular plate on a car like this would cost you a ton of money on insurance and taxes but there used to be a way to have your classic car road legal while not having the classic license plate.  I wouldn't be surprised if they nixed that though.

I lived in Belgium until I was 33.  I did as much undeclared work as I could just to make a living.  And I lived in a small studio apartment in Merksem, not exactly living the high life.  

It was near impossible for me to buy a house, something decent at least.  If I would have to go back I'd look for a house outside of the city just to bring the price down a bit.  But as I have heard from relatives, even those prices are rising fast.

Yes, the O plate is still in use. The only Way to ever drive a car like the charger to be affordable.
The regulations changed so you can drive your classic as much as you want. Guess what alot of morons buy a 25+ year old car and get a cheap O plate and then daily drive it to avoid taxes. So that goes to hell also in a couple of years. BTW. I live in schilde wich is not that far from where you once lived.

[Mike DC]

I'd like to see you get 20 mpg's out of a 700 hp big block or stroker Hemi, with the weight savings, of course.

Okay, but only if we include the costs of design, production, and long term maintenance for both engines.  How much would a stroker gen-2 Hemi still cost on a factory assembly line?  How much gasoline does a couple of timing chain replacements (including labor) on the new engine buy?  

And I wonder if modern cylinder deactivation would be a big saver on a B/RB?  Take a 9-10 liter V8 down to 4 cylinders and you've still got a motor big enough to run the car pretty much all the time.  The 4cyl mode wouldn't just be usable when there's little or no load.  



Weight -  
I doubt the Hellcat motor has any real weight advantage.  The Hellcat motor had to use an iron block because it's being worked much harder for its size with all that forced induction & high RPMs.  And the Hellcat's supercharger & coolers & fluids probably add the greater part of 100 lbs.  An all-aluminum old Hemi is only about 530 lbs total.  



But the old motor would fail modern Federal emission regulations in a big way.  It hasn't been crash tested in the LX platform.  Etc.    

[Charger-Bodie]

Just a small fyi. When I had my stroked dual four barrel  526 hemi from FHO I checked the mpg one time on the way to a show. I got 17.6 mpg with it in a 4200 lb daytona clone. I wasnt running the crap out of it, but I wasn't babying it either.

That said. I think the hell cat engine is destined to become a legend as well.

[1974dodgecharger]

Power is power I'm sure a old school hemi say 572 pushing 700hp with a major overdrive unit like the hellcat can get 20mpg also.  Time to google to see what heat is 1:1 in the 8 and 6 speed.......to see comparison to a A833 I'm betting my 4th gear is like their 3rd gear....

[Mike DC]

   
The Richmond 6spd manual is a bad MoFo for overdrives - 0.50:1 ratio in the top gear. 

With a normal axle gear the real world cruising speed is pretty much unlimited.  It'll be under 2000 rpm even at 85 mph.     

[500Jon]

Hellcats for sale in the UK now!!!

£65,000 for 707 hp, seems a good deal for such a stonkin Mopar!!!

I've been told I need 700hp to get my C500 over 200mph.......
Maybe I will see if any Hellcats get trashed here in England???

5J

[JB400]

Keep an eye on this website:  https://www.iaai.com/Vehicles/VehicleDetails.aspx?auctionID=0&itemID=18397692&RowNumber=7&loadRecent=True


They're selling this car sometime.

[500Jon]

64 miles, over here in the UK, its new for old under one year of age (vehicle).
Thats just put everyones insurance up a dollar or two ..............