Condolences

[twodko]

To all our Australian members and the Australian people,
please accept my condolences on the deaths of 2 of your
citizens at the hands of a deranged jihadi.

Tom Owens

[polywideblock]

 was only a mater of time but  yeah DERANGED is right           

      they should just start dumping their bodies at sea( the jihadists )   , as I understand it they don't like it at all 

[hemi68charger]

At some point, the human race is going to say, "Enough is enough".......... Freakin' fastards killed a bunch of kids in Pakistan........... I'm a Christian, but I know the Quran/Koran doesn't teach this deranged and barbaric philosophy against humanity..........

[fy469rtse]

thanks tom,
no part of the world is safe from these * %$#,
worst part is were not conditioned for it , held off under normal training , hoping for a peacefull ending , but that was never going to happen ,
our court system over here had a few chances to take care of this , latest he was on bail for murder ?
only element to this seige that we had any control  over was to how soon we wanted to trigger the end ,
geoff

[charge69]

These cowards love the fact that the Government, local or otherwise, disarms the populace as it makes for easy pickins' for them as they know they will be the only one armed. Might as well put up a sign saying "only unarmed victims allowed!" As you might have guessed, I am very pro-2nd Amendment !

I am so sorry for the helpless victims and hope that the gunman rots in Hell!

[el dub]

 

I am so sorry for the helpless victims and hope that the gunman rots in Hell!

He's not going to hell, he's going for the 20 or 40, I forget, virgins.  Can you believe that muslems think that. It must be bad over there, what with all the women wearing those hoodies. You cant tell if she's ugly or not. I think most of them must be ugly as hell. Otherwise why would the guys want 40 virgins. I mean they must be damn ugly. Born under the ugly tree. I think the men mostly screw goats. Hence the virgins.

[ws23rt]

It is so frustrating to see this continue to happen. It feels like almost any country is at risk.
I can't help but think of an analogy. ---A tumor has developed in this world and has started to metastasize.
It's not like a serpent that the head can be removed from.  (sorry about the use of head removal in my observation).
We need to study this like we do with the study of cancer.  (from many fronts).
For one thing we need to get our heads out of the sand and start to compile all of the common factors these suicide cancer cells have in common and move on it. If some toes are stepped on it becomes collateral and should be put in rational perspective.
Our political correctness is something we do to be polite but since we are being attacked it becomes a weapon against us. Are we just going to sit this fight out?
I have an optimistic out look in general about human survival. Which is when things get bad enough we come together and huddle for the common good. (such as the world effort in the early 40s).
However a cancer like this may cripple us very badly before we kill it.

Edit-- We might end up having to treat this like the Ebloa thing.

[moparnation74]

Also, extending my condolences!


In regard to these terrorists:  www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOXCAKL9ESc

[Fred]

Thanks Tom.

A very sad state of affairs.

What is saddest is that there will come a time in the future where we will look back on this as being the good old days. I honestly believe there will be worse to come. I pray to God I'm wrong.being

[ACUDANUT]

Pointless murders of innocent kids. May they killers rot in HELL.

[polywideblock]

and may these be the virgins waiting for the scum

[twodko]

I too am an insufferable optimist but my gut tells me these are quite possibly
the "good old days" and it chills me to the core.

I quote here a very telling observation by ws23rt:

"If some toes are stepped on it becomes collateral and should be put in rational
perspective"

I would add "national" perspective to that. It is a damnable fine line
we will all be walking sooner rather than later. It is my laymans opinion
that the ultra liberal factions of our collective societies will continue to force our
complacency. I pray there will never be a day when we will have to set aside many of the restrains on the use
of significant force and the collateral damage therefrom to address this cancer as it must be addressed.
Sadly I believe that day was some time ago. 

[ACUDANUT]

Too bad the school did not have armed security.

[ws23rt]

Thanks Tom.

A very sad state of affairs.

What is saddest is that there will come a time in the future where we will look back to this time and see it as the good old days. I honestly believe there will be worse to come. I pray to God I'm wrong.

Hey Fred
I feel the way you do about this.  We are seeing the beginning of a very big mess. The worst part is that it will have to get much worse before the backlash fixes it.
The lessons of history would help if the new crop of people would listen to them.  I was one of those in my teens/twenties that felt the hell with history. My thinking was we are of a new crop that can move forward just fine (thank you) without the primitive thinking of the past.

What I have learned (or come to accept) is we as a species change over time but the span of time to change us as we are happens over hundreds of thousands of years not ten or twenty.  We as a group are not very different from our pets with the exception that we have learned how to protect and preserve our offspring so well that the natural selection of faulty behavior (for example) has stopped (or slowed) the natural selection process.----Sorry I think I'm on a rant that has no end---

[ACUDANUT]

Like it not, but those who do these things do not fear God.  PERIOD.

[Fred]

Animals lack compassion which is necessary for them to kill in order to survive but for humans to be so compassionless to slaughter for the hell of it is a very scary thing.

[twodko]

Thanks Tom.

A very sad state of affairs.

What is saddest is that there will come a time in the future where we will look back to this time and see it as the good old days. I honestly believe there will be worse to come. I pray to God I'm wrong.

Hey Fred
I feel the way you do about this.  We are seeing the beginning of a very big mess. The worst part is that it will have to get much worse before the backlash fixes it.
The lessons of history would help if the new crop of people would listen to them.  I was one of those in my teens/twenties that felt the hell with history. My thinking was we are of a new crop that can move forward just fine (thank you) without the primitive thinking of the past.

What I have learned (or come to accept) is we as a species change over time but the span of time to change us as we are happens over hundreds of thousands of years not ten or twenty.  We as a group are not very different from our pets with the exception that we have learned how to protect and preserve our offspring so well that the natural selection of faulty behavior (for example) has stopped (or slowed) the natural selection process.----Sorry I think I'm on a rant that has no end---

Jesus man! You're scaring me. Rant well said.......too well said. I too served during a lie, 1970-1976. Same same.
I thought the actions taken at the time were righteous and correct. They weren't. Why is it that those we elect to
do the right thing can't remember history to save their ass?
It's time we step up.........all of us globally or we are doomed to repeat the failures of the past.
How many more Pakistani school yard massacres will it take?

OK, more than enough from the mouth of twodko. I humbly stand down.

[Fred]

Thanks Tom.

A very sad state of affairs.

What is saddest is that there will come a time in the future where we will look back to this time and see it as the good old days. I honestly believe there will be worse to come. I pray to God I'm wrong.

Hey Fred
I feel the way you do about this.  We are seeing the beginning of a very big mess. The worst part is that it will have to get much worse before the backlash fixes it.
The lessons of history would help if the new crop of people would listen to them.  I was one of those in my teens/twenties that felt the hell with history. My thinking was we are of a new crop that can move forward just fine (thank you) without the primitive thinking of the past.

What I have learned (or come to accept) is we as a species change over time but the span of time to change us as we are happens over hundreds of thousands of years not ten or twenty.  We as a group are not very different from our pets with the exception that we have learned how to protect and preserve our offspring so well that the natural selection of faulty behavior (for example) has stopped (or slowed) the natural selection process.----Sorry I think I'm on a rant that has no end---

Bruce,
Sadly these are lessons not learned hence history is constantly repeating itself! If we only paid some attention to past mistakes, we might get somewhere.

[Patronus]

The Pakistanis are a passionate people. I do not believe this will go over lightly. These children's parents will force their governments hand and together will we wipe them from the face of this planet. Cowards I say. 

[JB400]

That was a cheap shot by the Pakistani Taliban.

[polywideblock]

people just don't seem to get it     

to them there is no "grey " areas ,its all black and white  either you are or you aren't a Muslim .

           man, woman or child  we're all infidels 

[ws23rt]

Thanks Tom.

A very sad state of affairs.

What is saddest is that there will come a time in the future where we will look back to this time and see it as the good old days. I honestly believe there will be worse to come. I pray to God I'm wrong.

Hey Fred
I feel the way you do about this.  We are seeing the beginning of a very big mess. The worst part is that it will have to get much worse before the backlash fixes it.
The lessons of history would help if the new crop of people would listen to them.  I was one of those in my teens/twenties that felt the hell with history. My thinking was we are of a new crop that can move forward just fine (thank you) without the primitive thinking of the past.

What I have learned (or come to accept) is we as a species change over time but the span of time to change us as we are happens over hundreds of thousands of years not ten or twenty.  We as a group are not very different from our pets with the exception that we have learned how to protect and preserve our offspring so well that the natural selection of faulty behavior (for example) has stopped (or slowed) the natural selection process.----Sorry I think I'm on a rant that has no end---

Bruce,
Sadly these are lessons not learned hence history is constantly repeating itself! If we only paid some attention to past mistakes, we might get somewhere.

I am not without hope for the future.  (as I said I am optimistic )
Things are different these days with the instant communication the whole world has now. We all can hear, see, and react to what is going on almost as it happens.
A question I have is.---When someone in another town is killed by this cancer how close is that to us?  Does it have to be right next door for us to feel what it really is?  In fact many don't even know the folks that live nearby.

A thought came to me a few days ago about this. ---Pick some stranger out in a public place and pretend that that person is about to be hurt or killed and you see it coming.  Most will come alive and take great risk to stop it from happening.  It is in us to do the right thing.
We hire a government (and pay them well) to do this sort of thing for us as a group and as far as I can see our money has not been well spent.  I will add an additional.

[Fred]

The Pakistanis are a passionate people. I do not believe this will go over lightly. These children's parents will force their governments hand and together will we wipe them from the face of this planet. Cowards I say. 

What shocked me most is that it took a mere 6 men to do so much damage.

[Fred]

Thanks Tom.

A very sad state of affairs.

What is saddest is that there will come a time in the future where we will look back to this time and see it as the good old days. I honestly believe there will be worse to come. I pray to God I'm wrong.

Hey Fred
I feel the way you do about this.  We are seeing the beginning of a very big mess. The worst part is that it will have to get much worse before the backlash fixes it.
The lessons of history would help if the new crop of people would listen to them.  I was one of those in my teens/twenties that felt the hell with history. My thinking was we are of a new crop that can move forward just fine (thank you) without the primitive thinking of the past.

What I have learned (or come to accept) is we as a species change over time but the span of time to change us as we are happens over hundreds of thousands of years not ten or twenty.  We as a group are not very different from our pets with the exception that we have learned how to protect and preserve our offspring so well that the natural selection of faulty behavior (for example) has stopped (or slowed) the natural selection process.----Sorry I think I'm on a rant that has no end---

Bruce,
Sadly these are lessons not learned hence history is constantly repeating itself! If we only paid some attention to past mistakes, we might get somewhere.

I am not without hope for the future.  (as I said I am optimistic )
Things are different these days with the instant communication the whole world has now. We all can hear, see, and react to what is going on almost as it happens.
A question I have is.---When someone in another town is killed by this cancer how close is that to us?  Does it have to be right next door for us to feel what it really is?  In fact many don't even know the folks that live nearby.

A thought came to me a few days ago about this. ---Pick some stranger out in a public place and pretend that that person is about to be hurt or killed and you see it coming.  Most will come alive and take great risk to stop it from happening.  It is in us to do the right thing.
We hire a government (and pay them well) to do this sort of thing for us as a group and as far as I can see our money has not been well spent.  I will add an additional.

On the positive...........not all cancers kill. And we are constantly working on a cure We may get there in the end.

[ACUDANUT]

people just don't seem to get it     

to them there is no "grey " areas ,its all black and white  either you are or you aren't a Muslim .

           man, woman or child  we're all infidels 

And some don't believe in heaven or hell.