Condolences

[ws23rt]

It was inevitable that this topic (one of condolence) would drift as it has to one about immigration.
Some of my comments helped with that.

I don't see the random killings we are feeling as necessarily an attempt to clear the way for a new place to live.  Most of these killers don't think for themselves yet. They are killing themselves and others from prompting by some that have charisma. Hmm---Charles manson comes to mind. --Jim jones?--Hitler?

As for the immigration part of this thread.---I don't see people coming here as an attempt to "take over".  They for the most part just want to participate.
To me a take over would involve removing our government and replacing it with another. (Our government and the intent/design is the reason so many want to come here).  A catch 22?----Does our government continue to disregard the first/primary need for it?  To protect and defend?

The down side of the wide open borders we have is that all the fruit may be picked (so to speak) soon and no seeds will be left to maintain what we have here.

So back to the cancer analogy I was using.  The world is much smaller these days but is still our body.  It gets infections and damage from time to time. In the past sometimes limbs were lost but can grow back like a salamander does. This one affects the whole world so it makes no sense to just put up a wall and hope the rest get better and all will be good.

Some consensus needs to come with those countries (ours included) that still have testes to git er done. The UN has been shown to do nothing well.  With the tec. we have around the world this issue could be fixed in short order.  Radiation treatment? Chemo? ---Not even needed---Just taking away there money would go a long way.   Good grief --Some of these folks just need sex education about virgins. When I was of their age a virgin was not high on the list.  I wanted to learn from a pro. ---I digress

[ws23rt]

   
Yep.  After all the trouble we took to rightfully steal it from the native Americans, the native Mexicans went and swiped it back from us. 

And the Mexicans are not going to give it to the muslems when they decide to make a move. And neither am I.

[Mike DC]

 
Where is there any pressure to reduce the poor population?  The Corporate State LIKES having billions of them. 

[ws23rt]

 
Where is there any pressure to reduce the poor population?  The Corporate State LIKES having billions of them.  

Are the "Corporate States" adding to the numbers of the poor?   Are they providing a path from poverty?
These are tough questions indeed.

I have a simple mind and that is what I use for making my way. I see corporations as a confluence of the need for providing what the "tribe" needs and giving the tribe members a place to do their part (work).
Corporations are just very big mom and pop ventures.
As the size of an organization grows so does the obligation to provide what the consumers need in a lasting way.

The term "Corporate State" infers a collusion of some sort between business and gov.  Question--To what end?---
The head of a corporation gets there and stays just as long as they earn that spot.

In either case choosing someone to fill a top spot is handicapped by the only source. ---humans---Just like a box of chocolates --

[Mike DC]

Actually, large corporations behave like sociopaths.  AKA "Psychopaths".

There have been whole books & documentaries on this subject.  



They are like wild animals.  Not something to hate or destroy, just something to respect for what it is.  It only understands force.  It has no sense of morality about how it affects other people around it. 

[ACUDANUT]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/census-projects-81-surge-in-immigrants-78-million-by-2060/article/2557635

[moparnation74]

Actually, large corporations behave like sociopaths.  AKA "Psychopaths".

There have been whole books & documentaries on this subject.  



They are like wild animals.  Not something to hate or destroy, just something to respect for what it is.  It only understands force.  It has no sense of morality about how it affects other people around it. 

Unless you work with or for a large coroporation then it is difficult to understand. 

[twodko]

 

I worked for Disney/ABC for many years. This corporation epitomises
everything ugly corporate America is.

[Armudster]

 I live in Brazil, and we have a lot of Muslim immigration here, most of them come here to escape that tragic reality that they live in there countries, and are really good people, who normally opens businesses and employ brazilians, they tipically are even considered great bosses.

They are 100% against terrorism, and are the ones that suffers it the most. One of them gave me a Kuran and even though I am a person who does not belong to any religion, I´ve read it, and the whole book talks about peace, and severely condemns murder.

Problem is, there are countries that some fanatic assholes turn the teachings upside down and start brainwashing people that have weak character with bullshit propaganda. If you study it hard enough, you will see that it is a political movement, not a religion one.

These extremist terrorist not only kill a lot of innocents, but they always suported throughout history movements like socialism and even Hitler. I´m talking about groups like Isis, Hezbollah, Taliban, and a few others, there followers are nothing more than puppets who participate on a biggest agenda.

All these terrorist groups today, for example, are supporting Putin, North Korea, Venezuela and so on. Point is, muslims are not terrorists, but the terrorist groups are using it as an excuse to do all this shit. Look at countries like Dubai, Qatar, Saudi Arabia for example, they all have agreements with USA, and even Israel and are on the side of freedom.

As I always say, people forget that first and foremost, Jesus, Moses, Mohamed and many others were first and foremost messengers of peace. And sometimes it only takes a lunatic, to form a deranged following of weak minded people. 

[moparnation74]

I live in Brazil, and we have a lot of Muslim immigration here, most of them come here to escape that tragic reality that they live in there countries, and are really good people, who normally opens businesses and employ brazilians, they tipically are even considered great bosses.

They are 100% against terrorism, and are the ones that suffers it the most. One of them gave me a Kuran and even though I am a person who does not belong to any religion, I´ve read it, and the whole book talks about peace, and severely condemns murder.

Problem is, there are countries that some fanatic assholes turn the teachings upside down and start brainwashing people that have weak character with bullshit propaganda. If you study it hard enough, you will see that it is a political movement, not a religion one.

These extremist terrorist not only kill a lot of innocents, but they always suported throughout history movements like socialism and even Hitler. I´m talking about groups like Isis, Hezbollah, Taliban, and a few others, there followers are nothing more than puppets who participate on a biggest agenda.

All these terrorist groups today, for example, are supporting Putin, North Korea, Venezuela and so on. Point is, muslims are not terrorists, but the terrorist groups are using it as an excuse to do all this shit. Look at countries like Dubai, Qatar, Saudi Arabia for example, they all have agreements with USA, and even Israel and are on the side of freedom.

As I always say, people forget that first and foremost, Jesus, Moses, Mohamed and many others were first and foremost messengers of peace. And sometimes it only takes a lunatic, to form a deranged following of weak minded people. 

This is in reference to your Peace comment about Muhammed.  Look up the Battle of Badr. 

[Armudster]

 Yes, he was involved on some battles, but overall his messages were positive, it was a different time and era altogether, but my point was, with religion in general, sometimes its wiser to just learn, and pick the best parts of it and use it on your day-to-day life. These extremist are not religiously driven, they are a political movement, who uses religion as an alias for the same games of power that were always played througout history. It´s a shame, really.

[moparnation74]

Yes, he was involved on some battles, but overall his messages were positive, it was a different time and era altogether, but my point was, with religion in general, sometimes its wiser to just learn, and pick the best parts of it and use it on your day-to-day life. These extremist are not religiously driven, they are a political movement, who uses religion as an alias for the same games of power that were always played througout history. It´s a shame, really.

Armud,  your points are correct.  Not big disagreement there other than the peace/Muhammed example. 

And you are correct these extremists are shameful to the world.