Condolences

[moparnation74]

Here is a video everyone should watch!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kKkY5EpVpY

[68X426]

To all our Australian members and the Australian people, please accept my condolences on the deaths of 2 of your citizens at the hands of a deranged jihadi.

Tom Owens

Thanks Tom.  I've been gone for 7 days, and purposefully watched no news, just checked out and disconnected on a vacation, and came back to this insanity. 

Sympathies to all the Aussies brothers and sisters.

[ws23rt]

Here is a video everyone should watch!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kKkY5EpVpY

This video is not very helpful with finding the current cure for the root cause of the random killings we are feeling these days.
It however does speak to why there is a steady increase in the danger we all face.

We tend to seek simple answers for complex questions.  

I have one.----All human conflicts come from territorial issues and religion.---The solution is that the one that can kill all of the others will live in a wonderful world of peace.  The down side with the end of this is there is no end. There will always be a few free thinking that just want to go their own way. They will move to where they feel works--- try to live their lives until someone from the outside comes in and tries to correct their thinking.

Religion is --THE-- key to all of this.---As long as there are those that believe that what they feel is just plain fact--end of story--period.  Than conflicts will never end.  New people are born every day and some of them will grow up to ask questions. If they are not found out and killed immediately they will move and reproduce to continue our history as it is.

The Muslim religion is not the real danger hear by it's self.  It is the fact that there is more than one religion that brings on a fight.

I tend to look at this world from the outside sometimes.   Say 100 million years ago I peek up and look around. Than look around again when fire was found out about. Maybe taking another look around when all anyone knew was the world was flat.

So OK my view is that we humans are just like every other creature we share this world with.  I am fine with that and if some one wants to kill me because of that I will try to kill them so I will not die.  I have some more living to do thank you.

[moparnation74]

The video is not intended to cure terrorism at all.  However, the theme shows the future is essentially a muslim world.  The vast majority of the heartless terrorists are revolved around which faith?

Man cannot cure this. 

[polywideblock]

people just don't seem to get it     

to them there is no "grey " areas ,its all black and white  either you are or you aren't a Muslim .

           man, woman or child  we're all infidels 

And some don't believe in heaven or hell.

your right about that        thing is these sick f*cks lump us in with the god botherers       were all infidels to them  :shrug

just think      what would the world be like with NO religion    no more of this my god is better than your god crap 

[ws23rt]

The video is not intended to cure terrorism at all.  However, the theme shows the future is essentially a Muslim world.  The vast majority of the heartless terrorists are revolved around which faith?

Man cannot cure this. 

It is true that the current terrorist trouble we are facing comes from within the Muslim faith. But I don't see the terrorist in question as representing that faith. They just happen to be of that faith.  They are sick misguided fanatics and are born into a place where all they know is what they are conditioned with. It is very much like a disease.  
If the rest of the faith choses to look the other way with what they do it speaks to how they are intimidated/affected  by the terrorist's like the rest of us.
The Muslim community lives in the same world as the rest of us and are killed at random along with everyone else.

[moparnation74]

The video is not intended to cure terrorism at all.  However, the theme shows the future is essentially a Muslim world.  The vast majority of the heartless terrorists are revolved around which faith?

Man cannot cure this. 

It is true that the current terrorist trouble we are facing comes from within the Muslim faith. But I don't see the terrorist in question as representing that faith. They just happen to be of that faith.  They are sick misguided fanatics and are born into a place where all they know is what they are conditioned with. It is very much like a disease.  
If the rest of the faith choses to look the other way with what they do it speaks to how they are intimidated/affected  by the terrorist's like the rest of us.
The Muslim community lives in the same world as the rest of us and are killed at random along with everyone else.

  Very true statement.  It is a disease that we hope and pray will be cured. 

Again, Man cannot cure this problem.

[ws23rt]

The video is not intended to cure terrorism at all.  However, the theme shows the future is essentially a Muslim world.  The vast majority of the heartless terrorists are revolved around which faith?

Man cannot cure this.  

It is true that the current terrorist trouble we are facing comes from within the Muslim faith. But I don't see the terrorist in question as representing that faith. They just happen to be of that faith.  They are sick misguided fanatics and are born into a place where all they know is what they are conditioned with. It is very much like a disease.  
If the rest of the faith choses to look the other way with what they do it speaks to how they are intimidated/affected  by the terrorist's like the rest of us.
The Muslim community lives in the same world as the rest of us and are killed at random along with everyone else.

 Very true statement.  It is a disease that we hope and pray will be cured.  

Again, Man cannot cure this problem.

Talk about understatement---- --- Man cannot cure this problem---all we can do is fight it.  And since it is innate within us to do battle we will do just that. -------------------And further we will win this one differently than the past conflicts as all the teens blowing themselves up help with our battle. Those that are looking for more ammunition. (the young hungry want to be adults) have a hard long road trying to change this world.
Also many of their ammunition  have not yet reproduced  ---Another +

[Mike DC]

  
Islam may take over the western world, but it will moderate & advance in the process.  The vast majority of the members already live a much more moderate lifestyle than some of the teachings.  That's the future.  



Islam is about 1400 years old.  

Go back and look at what Christianity was like in the 1400s - it was the Inquisition era.  
Then we had the Protestant reformation and pulled back from the extremism.    

Islam's big shift towards moderation is coming.  Just a matter of time.

[ws23rt]

 
Islam may take over the western world, but it will moderate & advance in the process.  The vast majority of the members already live a much more moderate lifestyle than some of the teachings.  That's the future.  



Islam is about 1400 years old.  

Go back and look at what Christianity was like in the 1400s - it was the Inquisition era.  
Then we had the Protestant reformation and pulled back from the extremism.    

Islam's big shift towards moderation is coming.  Just a matter of time.

I see those facts and view point as no reason to panic.  We have lived in this world for many thousands of years with very different beliefs of why we are here.
Consider that %99.99+ of us just go about our daily life doing what we need to do to be comfortable.
A very few stand up from time to time and want to help us be something that in their eyes will be better for us.
(This can be taken to places further than this topic )
I say shut the F##k up to them and thank you for the caring intent. I had a mom and bless her efforts to give me what I needed to move on. For those that feel a need to nurture something perhaps adopting a child or pet would work.

[twodko]

There is a book I read many years ago entitled "From Beirut to Jerusalem" the author of which
escapes me. I had no clue about what the conflict was been the middle east and the west and was told
this book might shed some light on that.
In essence the message of the book was that the difference between the middle east and west
is that here in the west all of the various religions that make us who we are have learned
to come together in one room leaving our weapons outside. Not so in the middle east.

[ws23rt]

There is a book I read many years ago entitled "From Beirut to Jerusalem" the author of which
escapes me. I had no clue about what the conflict was been the middle east and the west and was told
this book might shed some light on that.
In essence the message of the book was that the difference between the middle east and west
is that here in the west all of the various religions that make us who we are have learned
to come together in one room leaving our weapons outside. Not so in the middle east.

I have not read that book. I also have not researched the details of the long history of the middle east.
If the bottom line of that book is that Muslims come to talking agreements with their weapons? Good for them
I suspect that that history comes from a long tradition in that faith that goes back to swords and arrows. I also place shame on the west that choses to leave their weapons out side.

As Mike DC pointed out the Muslim community is moderating and it has to in order to adapt to what we all want.  This world is not like the stone age any more.
Muslims want to raise families and enjoy the freedoms that the US has shown works better than most countries attempts at a good life have

I don't see Muslim's growing in numbers as a threat any more than I see those from south America coming here as a threat.  It is on the other hand a compliment about how we chose to live here.
I do believe however that an open border such as we have is going to cause a much bigger mess for everyone if it remains open like it is.   It is way too fast for assimilation and where these folks come from is where they would rather be anyway if it were not for our opportunities ---BTW That is not where this topic should go---sorry I digress 

[wingcar]

These individuals call us in the West (those of Christian and Jewish faith, if you need to label us) infidels?  Sorry, but any group that indiscriminately massacres hundreds (thousands) of innocent men women and child in the name of their God are the real infidels here, not us.  While most all of these people claim to be of the Muslim faith, that appears to be just a label they like to use as they are nothing more than terrorist and need to be treated as such.  Since when did a terrorist deserve any type of "rights" other than a bullet to the head?  Our PC world has allowed these animals (I apologize to the animal kingdom) to run wild and live among us, using our own rules and laws against us. 
 
I feel we need to get serious about things such as securing the border.  I have no problem with those that would like to live here in America and "assimilate" into our sociality.   Unfortunately, if you leave the door wide open others that do not have good intentions will also enter.  And, it's an unfortunate fact that not everyone that would like to live here should actually be allowed in, as we as a Nation can only support so many.  And, make no mistake many are living off the Nation, taking advantage of our country not trying to make a living for the betterment of all of us by becoming a productive individual.  And, don't get me started on the fact that it seems as if they have more rights than I do as a born and raised American....when did I become a second class citizen?

The Muslim community needs to step up and say enough is enough, it's not what our religion is about.....   

[moparnation74]

These individuals call us in the West (those of Christian and Jewish faith, if you need to label us) infidels?  Sorry, but any group that indiscriminately massacres hundreds (thousands) of innocent men women and child in the name of their God are the real infidels here, not us.  While most all of these people claim to be of the Muslim faith, that appears to be just a label they like to use as they are nothing more than terrorist and need to be treated as such.  Since when did a terrorist deserve any type of "rights" other than a bullet to the head?  Our PC world has allowed these animals (I apologize to the animal kingdom) to run wild and live among us, using our own rules and laws against us. 
 
I feel we need to get serious about things such as securing the border.  I have no problem with those that would like to live here in America and "assimilate" into our sociality.   Unfortunately, if you leave the door wide open others that do not have good intentions will also enter.  And, it's an unfortunate fact that not everyone that would like to live here should actually be allowed in, as we as a Nation can only support so many.  And, make no mistake many are living off the Nation, taking advantage of our country not trying to make a living for the betterment of all of us by becoming a productive individual.  And, don't get me started on the fact that it seems as if they have more rights than I do as a born and raised American....when did I become a second class citizen?

The Muslim community needs to step up and say enough is enough, it's not what our religion is about.....   

Well stated !!!

In the DFW area here we have a massive population of this culture.  So in areas where there is not an abundance of this culture it is hard for most people to understand why there is a dislike towards this culture.  And how it affects our economy here!

[ACUDANUT]

Muslims need their own country to kill each other.

[el dub]

Muslims need their own country to kill each other.

Obum....uck is giving them ours via the southern border.

[twodko]

These individuals call us in the West (those of Christian and Jewish faith, if you need to label us) infidels?  Sorry, but any group that indiscriminately massacres hundreds (thousands) of innocent men women and child in the name of their God are the real infidels here, not us.  While most all of these people claim to be of the Muslim faith, that appears to be just a label they like to use as they are nothing more than terrorist and need to be treated as such.  Since when did a terrorist deserve any type of "rights" other than a bullet to the head?  Our PC world has allowed these animals (I apologize to the animal kingdom) to run wild and live among us, using our own rules and laws against us. 
 
I feel we need to get serious about things such as securing the border.  I have no problem with those that would like to live here in America and "assimilate" into our sociality.   Unfortunately, if you leave the door wide open others that do not have good intentions will also enter.  And, it's an unfortunate fact that not everyone that would like to live here should actually be allowed in, as we as a Nation can only support so many.  And, make no mistake many are living off the Nation, taking advantage of our country not trying to make a living for the betterment of all of us by becoming a productive individual.  And, don't get me started on the fact that it seems as if they have more rights than I do as a born and raised American....when did I become a second class citizen?

The Muslim community needs to step up and say enough is enough, it's not what our religion is about.....   

Very well said indeed! Out-f**king-standing sir.

[Mike DC]

Obum....uck is giving them ours via the southern border.

Shit, you mean Obama went and unlocked the southern border now? 
After it's been tightly controlled for all these decades!?  

When did this happen?!?  

[el dub]

It's not that he unlocked it, it's he didn't lock it.

[twodko]

Ws23rt,

Keep on keeping on brother. 

Tom

[polywideblock]

well our know all politicians have now told us that it not their fault that they disarmed us and turned us into a nation of victims  
 
  and that any talk about  if  we had less strict gun laws and the café owner   was armed and being able to defend himself /hostages  was rubbish and absurd  

they know what's best for us and that's that        guess  we'll just throw stones at them    

[twodko]

Yes sir, it's common knowledge that stones trump .45 cal hand guns and
AK47's.

[ACUDANUT]

Obum....uck is giving them ours via the southern border.

Shit, you mean Obama went and unlocked the southern border now? 
After it's been tightly controlled for all these decades!?  

When did this happen?!?  

The Mexicans took over this country of ours without firing a shot.  Press one for English. 

[Mike DC]

   
Yep.  After all the trouble we took to rightfully steal it from the native Americans, the native Mexicans went and swiped it back from us. 

[el dub]

   
Yep.  After all the trouble we took to rightfully steal it from the native Americans, the native Mexicans went and swiped it back from us. 

And the Mexicans are not going to give it to the muslems when they decide to make a move. And neither am I.