Condolences

[twodko]

To all our Australian members and the Australian people,
please accept my condolences on the deaths of 2 of your
citizens at the hands of a deranged jihadi.

Tom Owens

[polywideblock]

 was only a mater of time but  yeah DERANGED is right           

      they should just start dumping their bodies at sea( the jihadists )   , as I understand it they don't like it at all 

[hemi68charger]

At some point, the human race is going to say, "Enough is enough".......... Freakin' fastards killed a bunch of kids in Pakistan........... I'm a Christian, but I know the Quran/Koran doesn't teach this deranged and barbaric philosophy against humanity..........

[fy469rtse]

thanks tom,
no part of the world is safe from these * %$#,
worst part is were not conditioned for it , held off under normal training , hoping for a peacefull ending , but that was never going to happen ,
our court system over here had a few chances to take care of this , latest he was on bail for murder ?
only element to this seige that we had any control  over was to how soon we wanted to trigger the end ,
geoff

[charge69]

These cowards love the fact that the Government, local or otherwise, disarms the populace as it makes for easy pickins' for them as they know they will be the only one armed. Might as well put up a sign saying "only unarmed victims allowed!" As you might have guessed, I am very pro-2nd Amendment !

I am so sorry for the helpless victims and hope that the gunman rots in Hell!

[el dub]

 

I am so sorry for the helpless victims and hope that the gunman rots in Hell!

He's not going to hell, he's going for the 20 or 40, I forget, virgins.  Can you believe that muslems think that. It must be bad over there, what with all the women wearing those hoodies. You cant tell if she's ugly or not. I think most of them must be ugly as hell. Otherwise why would the guys want 40 virgins. I mean they must be damn ugly. Born under the ugly tree. I think the men mostly screw goats. Hence the virgins.

[ws23rt]

It is so frustrating to see this continue to happen. It feels like almost any country is at risk.
I can't help but think of an analogy. ---A tumor has developed in this world and has started to metastasize.
It's not like a serpent that the head can be removed from.  (sorry about the use of head removal in my observation).
We need to study this like we do with the study of cancer.  (from many fronts).
For one thing we need to get our heads out of the sand and start to compile all of the common factors these suicide cancer cells have in common and move on it. If some toes are stepped on it becomes collateral and should be put in rational perspective.
Our political correctness is something we do to be polite but since we are being attacked it becomes a weapon against us. Are we just going to sit this fight out?
I have an optimistic out look in general about human survival. Which is when things get bad enough we come together and huddle for the common good. (such as the world effort in the early 40s).
However a cancer like this may cripple us very badly before we kill it.

Edit-- We might end up having to treat this like the Ebloa thing.

[moparnation74]

Also, extending my condolences!


In regard to these terrorists:  www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOXCAKL9ESc

[Fred]

Thanks Tom.

A very sad state of affairs.

What is saddest is that there will come a time in the future where we will look back on this as being the good old days. I honestly believe there will be worse to come. I pray to God I'm wrong.being

[ACUDANUT]

Pointless murders of innocent kids. May they killers rot in HELL.

[polywideblock]

and may these be the virgins waiting for the scum

[twodko]

I too am an insufferable optimist but my gut tells me these are quite possibly
the "good old days" and it chills me to the core.

I quote here a very telling observation by ws23rt:

"If some toes are stepped on it becomes collateral and should be put in rational
perspective"

I would add "national" perspective to that. It is a damnable fine line
we will all be walking sooner rather than later. It is my laymans opinion
that the ultra liberal factions of our collective societies will continue to force our
complacency. I pray there will never be a day when we will have to set aside many of the restrains on the use
of significant force and the collateral damage therefrom to address this cancer as it must be addressed.
Sadly I believe that day was some time ago. 

[ACUDANUT]

Too bad the school did not have armed security.

[ws23rt]

Thanks Tom.

A very sad state of affairs.

What is saddest is that there will come a time in the future where we will look back to this time and see it as the good old days. I honestly believe there will be worse to come. I pray to God I'm wrong.

Hey Fred
I feel the way you do about this.  We are seeing the beginning of a very big mess. The worst part is that it will have to get much worse before the backlash fixes it.
The lessons of history would help if the new crop of people would listen to them.  I was one of those in my teens/twenties that felt the hell with history. My thinking was we are of a new crop that can move forward just fine (thank you) without the primitive thinking of the past.

What I have learned (or come to accept) is we as a species change over time but the span of time to change us as we are happens over hundreds of thousands of years not ten or twenty.  We as a group are not very different from our pets with the exception that we have learned how to protect and preserve our offspring so well that the natural selection of faulty behavior (for example) has stopped (or slowed) the natural selection process.----Sorry I think I'm on a rant that has no end---

[ACUDANUT]

Like it not, but those who do these things do not fear God.  PERIOD.

[Fred]

Animals lack compassion which is necessary for them to kill in order to survive but for humans to be so compassionless to slaughter for the hell of it is a very scary thing.

[twodko]

Thanks Tom.

A very sad state of affairs.

What is saddest is that there will come a time in the future where we will look back to this time and see it as the good old days. I honestly believe there will be worse to come. I pray to God I'm wrong.

Hey Fred
I feel the way you do about this.  We are seeing the beginning of a very big mess. The worst part is that it will have to get much worse before the backlash fixes it.
The lessons of history would help if the new crop of people would listen to them.  I was one of those in my teens/twenties that felt the hell with history. My thinking was we are of a new crop that can move forward just fine (thank you) without the primitive thinking of the past.

What I have learned (or come to accept) is we as a species change over time but the span of time to change us as we are happens over hundreds of thousands of years not ten or twenty.  We as a group are not very different from our pets with the exception that we have learned how to protect and preserve our offspring so well that the natural selection of faulty behavior (for example) has stopped (or slowed) the natural selection process.----Sorry I think I'm on a rant that has no end---

Jesus man! You're scaring me. Rant well said.......too well said. I too served during a lie, 1970-1976. Same same.
I thought the actions taken at the time were righteous and correct. They weren't. Why is it that those we elect to
do the right thing can't remember history to save their ass?
It's time we step up.........all of us globally or we are doomed to repeat the failures of the past.
How many more Pakistani school yard massacres will it take?

OK, more than enough from the mouth of twodko. I humbly stand down.

[Fred]

Thanks Tom.

A very sad state of affairs.

What is saddest is that there will come a time in the future where we will look back to this time and see it as the good old days. I honestly believe there will be worse to come. I pray to God I'm wrong.

Hey Fred
I feel the way you do about this.  We are seeing the beginning of a very big mess. The worst part is that it will have to get much worse before the backlash fixes it.
The lessons of history would help if the new crop of people would listen to them.  I was one of those in my teens/twenties that felt the hell with history. My thinking was we are of a new crop that can move forward just fine (thank you) without the primitive thinking of the past.

What I have learned (or come to accept) is we as a species change over time but the span of time to change us as we are happens over hundreds of thousands of years not ten or twenty.  We as a group are not very different from our pets with the exception that we have learned how to protect and preserve our offspring so well that the natural selection of faulty behavior (for example) has stopped (or slowed) the natural selection process.----Sorry I think I'm on a rant that has no end---

Bruce,
Sadly these are lessons not learned hence history is constantly repeating itself! If we only paid some attention to past mistakes, we might get somewhere.

[Patronus]

The Pakistanis are a passionate people. I do not believe this will go over lightly. These children's parents will force their governments hand and together will we wipe them from the face of this planet. Cowards I say. 

[JB400]

That was a cheap shot by the Pakistani Taliban.

[polywideblock]

people just don't seem to get it     

to them there is no "grey " areas ,its all black and white  either you are or you aren't a Muslim .

           man, woman or child  we're all infidels 

[ws23rt]

Thanks Tom.

A very sad state of affairs.

What is saddest is that there will come a time in the future where we will look back to this time and see it as the good old days. I honestly believe there will be worse to come. I pray to God I'm wrong.

Hey Fred
I feel the way you do about this.  We are seeing the beginning of a very big mess. The worst part is that it will have to get much worse before the backlash fixes it.
The lessons of history would help if the new crop of people would listen to them.  I was one of those in my teens/twenties that felt the hell with history. My thinking was we are of a new crop that can move forward just fine (thank you) without the primitive thinking of the past.

What I have learned (or come to accept) is we as a species change over time but the span of time to change us as we are happens over hundreds of thousands of years not ten or twenty.  We as a group are not very different from our pets with the exception that we have learned how to protect and preserve our offspring so well that the natural selection of faulty behavior (for example) has stopped (or slowed) the natural selection process.----Sorry I think I'm on a rant that has no end---

Bruce,
Sadly these are lessons not learned hence history is constantly repeating itself! If we only paid some attention to past mistakes, we might get somewhere.

I am not without hope for the future.  (as I said I am optimistic )
Things are different these days with the instant communication the whole world has now. We all can hear, see, and react to what is going on almost as it happens.
A question I have is.---When someone in another town is killed by this cancer how close is that to us?  Does it have to be right next door for us to feel what it really is?  In fact many don't even know the folks that live nearby.

A thought came to me a few days ago about this. ---Pick some stranger out in a public place and pretend that that person is about to be hurt or killed and you see it coming.  Most will come alive and take great risk to stop it from happening.  It is in us to do the right thing.
We hire a government (and pay them well) to do this sort of thing for us as a group and as far as I can see our money has not been well spent.  I will add an additional.

[Fred]

The Pakistanis are a passionate people. I do not believe this will go over lightly. These children's parents will force their governments hand and together will we wipe them from the face of this planet. Cowards I say. 

What shocked me most is that it took a mere 6 men to do so much damage.

[Fred]

Thanks Tom.

A very sad state of affairs.

What is saddest is that there will come a time in the future where we will look back to this time and see it as the good old days. I honestly believe there will be worse to come. I pray to God I'm wrong.

Hey Fred
I feel the way you do about this.  We are seeing the beginning of a very big mess. The worst part is that it will have to get much worse before the backlash fixes it.
The lessons of history would help if the new crop of people would listen to them.  I was one of those in my teens/twenties that felt the hell with history. My thinking was we are of a new crop that can move forward just fine (thank you) without the primitive thinking of the past.

What I have learned (or come to accept) is we as a species change over time but the span of time to change us as we are happens over hundreds of thousands of years not ten or twenty.  We as a group are not very different from our pets with the exception that we have learned how to protect and preserve our offspring so well that the natural selection of faulty behavior (for example) has stopped (or slowed) the natural selection process.----Sorry I think I'm on a rant that has no end---

Bruce,
Sadly these are lessons not learned hence history is constantly repeating itself! If we only paid some attention to past mistakes, we might get somewhere.

I am not without hope for the future.  (as I said I am optimistic )
Things are different these days with the instant communication the whole world has now. We all can hear, see, and react to what is going on almost as it happens.
A question I have is.---When someone in another town is killed by this cancer how close is that to us?  Does it have to be right next door for us to feel what it really is?  In fact many don't even know the folks that live nearby.

A thought came to me a few days ago about this. ---Pick some stranger out in a public place and pretend that that person is about to be hurt or killed and you see it coming.  Most will come alive and take great risk to stop it from happening.  It is in us to do the right thing.
We hire a government (and pay them well) to do this sort of thing for us as a group and as far as I can see our money has not been well spent.  I will add an additional.

On the positive...........not all cancers kill. And we are constantly working on a cure We may get there in the end.

[ACUDANUT]

people just don't seem to get it     

to them there is no "grey " areas ,its all black and white  either you are or you aren't a Muslim .

           man, woman or child  we're all infidels 

And some don't believe in heaven or hell.

[moparnation74]

Here is a video everyone should watch!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kKkY5EpVpY

[68X426]

To all our Australian members and the Australian people, please accept my condolences on the deaths of 2 of your citizens at the hands of a deranged jihadi.

Tom Owens

Thanks Tom.  I've been gone for 7 days, and purposefully watched no news, just checked out and disconnected on a vacation, and came back to this insanity. 

Sympathies to all the Aussies brothers and sisters.

[ws23rt]

Here is a video everyone should watch!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kKkY5EpVpY

This video is not very helpful with finding the current cure for the root cause of the random killings we are feeling these days.
It however does speak to why there is a steady increase in the danger we all face.

We tend to seek simple answers for complex questions.  

I have one.----All human conflicts come from territorial issues and religion.---The solution is that the one that can kill all of the others will live in a wonderful world of peace.  The down side with the end of this is there is no end. There will always be a few free thinking that just want to go their own way. They will move to where they feel works--- try to live their lives until someone from the outside comes in and tries to correct their thinking.

Religion is --THE-- key to all of this.---As long as there are those that believe that what they feel is just plain fact--end of story--period.  Than conflicts will never end.  New people are born every day and some of them will grow up to ask questions. If they are not found out and killed immediately they will move and reproduce to continue our history as it is.

The Muslim religion is not the real danger hear by it's self.  It is the fact that there is more than one religion that brings on a fight.

I tend to look at this world from the outside sometimes.   Say 100 million years ago I peek up and look around. Than look around again when fire was found out about. Maybe taking another look around when all anyone knew was the world was flat.

So OK my view is that we humans are just like every other creature we share this world with.  I am fine with that and if some one wants to kill me because of that I will try to kill them so I will not die.  I have some more living to do thank you.

[moparnation74]

The video is not intended to cure terrorism at all.  However, the theme shows the future is essentially a muslim world.  The vast majority of the heartless terrorists are revolved around which faith?

Man cannot cure this. 

[polywideblock]

people just don't seem to get it     

to them there is no "grey " areas ,its all black and white  either you are or you aren't a Muslim .

           man, woman or child  we're all infidels 

And some don't believe in heaven or hell.

your right about that        thing is these sick f*cks lump us in with the god botherers       were all infidels to them  :shrug

just think      what would the world be like with NO religion    no more of this my god is better than your god crap 

[ws23rt]

The video is not intended to cure terrorism at all.  However, the theme shows the future is essentially a Muslim world.  The vast majority of the heartless terrorists are revolved around which faith?

Man cannot cure this. 

It is true that the current terrorist trouble we are facing comes from within the Muslim faith. But I don't see the terrorist in question as representing that faith. They just happen to be of that faith.  They are sick misguided fanatics and are born into a place where all they know is what they are conditioned with. It is very much like a disease.  
If the rest of the faith choses to look the other way with what they do it speaks to how they are intimidated/affected  by the terrorist's like the rest of us.
The Muslim community lives in the same world as the rest of us and are killed at random along with everyone else.

[moparnation74]

The video is not intended to cure terrorism at all.  However, the theme shows the future is essentially a Muslim world.  The vast majority of the heartless terrorists are revolved around which faith?

Man cannot cure this. 

It is true that the current terrorist trouble we are facing comes from within the Muslim faith. But I don't see the terrorist in question as representing that faith. They just happen to be of that faith.  They are sick misguided fanatics and are born into a place where all they know is what they are conditioned with. It is very much like a disease.  
If the rest of the faith choses to look the other way with what they do it speaks to how they are intimidated/affected  by the terrorist's like the rest of us.
The Muslim community lives in the same world as the rest of us and are killed at random along with everyone else.

  Very true statement.  It is a disease that we hope and pray will be cured. 

Again, Man cannot cure this problem.

[ws23rt]

The video is not intended to cure terrorism at all.  However, the theme shows the future is essentially a Muslim world.  The vast majority of the heartless terrorists are revolved around which faith?

Man cannot cure this.  

It is true that the current terrorist trouble we are facing comes from within the Muslim faith. But I don't see the terrorist in question as representing that faith. They just happen to be of that faith.  They are sick misguided fanatics and are born into a place where all they know is what they are conditioned with. It is very much like a disease.  
If the rest of the faith choses to look the other way with what they do it speaks to how they are intimidated/affected  by the terrorist's like the rest of us.
The Muslim community lives in the same world as the rest of us and are killed at random along with everyone else.

 Very true statement.  It is a disease that we hope and pray will be cured.  

Again, Man cannot cure this problem.

Talk about understatement---- --- Man cannot cure this problem---all we can do is fight it.  And since it is innate within us to do battle we will do just that. -------------------And further we will win this one differently than the past conflicts as all the teens blowing themselves up help with our battle. Those that are looking for more ammunition. (the young hungry want to be adults) have a hard long road trying to change this world.
Also many of their ammunition  have not yet reproduced  ---Another +

[Mike DC]

  
Islam may take over the western world, but it will moderate & advance in the process.  The vast majority of the members already live a much more moderate lifestyle than some of the teachings.  That's the future.  



Islam is about 1400 years old.  

Go back and look at what Christianity was like in the 1400s - it was the Inquisition era.  
Then we had the Protestant reformation and pulled back from the extremism.    

Islam's big shift towards moderation is coming.  Just a matter of time.

[ws23rt]

 
Islam may take over the western world, but it will moderate & advance in the process.  The vast majority of the members already live a much more moderate lifestyle than some of the teachings.  That's the future.  



Islam is about 1400 years old.  

Go back and look at what Christianity was like in the 1400s - it was the Inquisition era.  
Then we had the Protestant reformation and pulled back from the extremism.    

Islam's big shift towards moderation is coming.  Just a matter of time.

I see those facts and view point as no reason to panic.  We have lived in this world for many thousands of years with very different beliefs of why we are here.
Consider that %99.99+ of us just go about our daily life doing what we need to do to be comfortable.
A very few stand up from time to time and want to help us be something that in their eyes will be better for us.
(This can be taken to places further than this topic )
I say shut the F##k up to them and thank you for the caring intent. I had a mom and bless her efforts to give me what I needed to move on. For those that feel a need to nurture something perhaps adopting a child or pet would work.

[twodko]

There is a book I read many years ago entitled "From Beirut to Jerusalem" the author of which
escapes me. I had no clue about what the conflict was been the middle east and the west and was told
this book might shed some light on that.
In essence the message of the book was that the difference between the middle east and west
is that here in the west all of the various religions that make us who we are have learned
to come together in one room leaving our weapons outside. Not so in the middle east.

[ws23rt]

There is a book I read many years ago entitled "From Beirut to Jerusalem" the author of which
escapes me. I had no clue about what the conflict was been the middle east and the west and was told
this book might shed some light on that.
In essence the message of the book was that the difference between the middle east and west
is that here in the west all of the various religions that make us who we are have learned
to come together in one room leaving our weapons outside. Not so in the middle east.

I have not read that book. I also have not researched the details of the long history of the middle east.
If the bottom line of that book is that Muslims come to talking agreements with their weapons? Good for them
I suspect that that history comes from a long tradition in that faith that goes back to swords and arrows. I also place shame on the west that choses to leave their weapons out side.

As Mike DC pointed out the Muslim community is moderating and it has to in order to adapt to what we all want.  This world is not like the stone age any more.
Muslims want to raise families and enjoy the freedoms that the US has shown works better than most countries attempts at a good life have

I don't see Muslim's growing in numbers as a threat any more than I see those from south America coming here as a threat.  It is on the other hand a compliment about how we chose to live here.
I do believe however that an open border such as we have is going to cause a much bigger mess for everyone if it remains open like it is.   It is way too fast for assimilation and where these folks come from is where they would rather be anyway if it were not for our opportunities ---BTW That is not where this topic should go---sorry I digress 

[wingcar]

These individuals call us in the West (those of Christian and Jewish faith, if you need to label us) infidels?  Sorry, but any group that indiscriminately massacres hundreds (thousands) of innocent men women and child in the name of their God are the real infidels here, not us.  While most all of these people claim to be of the Muslim faith, that appears to be just a label they like to use as they are nothing more than terrorist and need to be treated as such.  Since when did a terrorist deserve any type of "rights" other than a bullet to the head?  Our PC world has allowed these animals (I apologize to the animal kingdom) to run wild and live among us, using our own rules and laws against us. 
 
I feel we need to get serious about things such as securing the border.  I have no problem with those that would like to live here in America and "assimilate" into our sociality.   Unfortunately, if you leave the door wide open others that do not have good intentions will also enter.  And, it's an unfortunate fact that not everyone that would like to live here should actually be allowed in, as we as a Nation can only support so many.  And, make no mistake many are living off the Nation, taking advantage of our country not trying to make a living for the betterment of all of us by becoming a productive individual.  And, don't get me started on the fact that it seems as if they have more rights than I do as a born and raised American....when did I become a second class citizen?

The Muslim community needs to step up and say enough is enough, it's not what our religion is about.....   

[moparnation74]

These individuals call us in the West (those of Christian and Jewish faith, if you need to label us) infidels?  Sorry, but any group that indiscriminately massacres hundreds (thousands) of innocent men women and child in the name of their God are the real infidels here, not us.  While most all of these people claim to be of the Muslim faith, that appears to be just a label they like to use as they are nothing more than terrorist and need to be treated as such.  Since when did a terrorist deserve any type of "rights" other than a bullet to the head?  Our PC world has allowed these animals (I apologize to the animal kingdom) to run wild and live among us, using our own rules and laws against us. 
 
I feel we need to get serious about things such as securing the border.  I have no problem with those that would like to live here in America and "assimilate" into our sociality.   Unfortunately, if you leave the door wide open others that do not have good intentions will also enter.  And, it's an unfortunate fact that not everyone that would like to live here should actually be allowed in, as we as a Nation can only support so many.  And, make no mistake many are living off the Nation, taking advantage of our country not trying to make a living for the betterment of all of us by becoming a productive individual.  And, don't get me started on the fact that it seems as if they have more rights than I do as a born and raised American....when did I become a second class citizen?

The Muslim community needs to step up and say enough is enough, it's not what our religion is about.....   

Well stated !!!

In the DFW area here we have a massive population of this culture.  So in areas where there is not an abundance of this culture it is hard for most people to understand why there is a dislike towards this culture.  And how it affects our economy here!

[ACUDANUT]

Muslims need their own country to kill each other.

[el dub]

Muslims need their own country to kill each other.

Obum....uck is giving them ours via the southern border.

[twodko]

These individuals call us in the West (those of Christian and Jewish faith, if you need to label us) infidels?  Sorry, but any group that indiscriminately massacres hundreds (thousands) of innocent men women and child in the name of their God are the real infidels here, not us.  While most all of these people claim to be of the Muslim faith, that appears to be just a label they like to use as they are nothing more than terrorist and need to be treated as such.  Since when did a terrorist deserve any type of "rights" other than a bullet to the head?  Our PC world has allowed these animals (I apologize to the animal kingdom) to run wild and live among us, using our own rules and laws against us. 
 
I feel we need to get serious about things such as securing the border.  I have no problem with those that would like to live here in America and "assimilate" into our sociality.   Unfortunately, if you leave the door wide open others that do not have good intentions will also enter.  And, it's an unfortunate fact that not everyone that would like to live here should actually be allowed in, as we as a Nation can only support so many.  And, make no mistake many are living off the Nation, taking advantage of our country not trying to make a living for the betterment of all of us by becoming a productive individual.  And, don't get me started on the fact that it seems as if they have more rights than I do as a born and raised American....when did I become a second class citizen?

The Muslim community needs to step up and say enough is enough, it's not what our religion is about.....   

Very well said indeed! Out-f**king-standing sir.

[Mike DC]

Obum....uck is giving them ours via the southern border.

Shit, you mean Obama went and unlocked the southern border now? 
After it's been tightly controlled for all these decades!?  

When did this happen?!?  

[el dub]

It's not that he unlocked it, it's he didn't lock it.

[twodko]

Ws23rt,

Keep on keeping on brother. 

Tom

[polywideblock]

well our know all politicians have now told us that it not their fault that they disarmed us and turned us into a nation of victims  
 
  and that any talk about  if  we had less strict gun laws and the café owner   was armed and being able to defend himself /hostages  was rubbish and absurd  

they know what's best for us and that's that        guess  we'll just throw stones at them    

[twodko]

Yes sir, it's common knowledge that stones trump .45 cal hand guns and
AK47's.

[ACUDANUT]

Obum....uck is giving them ours via the southern border.

Shit, you mean Obama went and unlocked the southern border now? 
After it's been tightly controlled for all these decades!?  

When did this happen?!?  

The Mexicans took over this country of ours without firing a shot.  Press one for English. 

[Mike DC]

   
Yep.  After all the trouble we took to rightfully steal it from the native Americans, the native Mexicans went and swiped it back from us. 

[el dub]

   
Yep.  After all the trouble we took to rightfully steal it from the native Americans, the native Mexicans went and swiped it back from us. 

And the Mexicans are not going to give it to the muslems when they decide to make a move. And neither am I.

[ws23rt]

It was inevitable that this topic (one of condolence) would drift as it has to one about immigration.
Some of my comments helped with that.

I don't see the random killings we are feeling as necessarily an attempt to clear the way for a new place to live.  Most of these killers don't think for themselves yet. They are killing themselves and others from prompting by some that have charisma. Hmm---Charles manson comes to mind. --Jim jones?--Hitler?

As for the immigration part of this thread.---I don't see people coming here as an attempt to "take over".  They for the most part just want to participate.
To me a take over would involve removing our government and replacing it with another. (Our government and the intent/design is the reason so many want to come here).  A catch 22?----Does our government continue to disregard the first/primary need for it?  To protect and defend?

The down side of the wide open borders we have is that all the fruit may be picked (so to speak) soon and no seeds will be left to maintain what we have here.

So back to the cancer analogy I was using.  The world is much smaller these days but is still our body.  It gets infections and damage from time to time. In the past sometimes limbs were lost but can grow back like a salamander does. This one affects the whole world so it makes no sense to just put up a wall and hope the rest get better and all will be good.

Some consensus needs to come with those countries (ours included) that still have testes to git er done. The UN has been shown to do nothing well.  With the tec. we have around the world this issue could be fixed in short order.  Radiation treatment? Chemo? ---Not even needed---Just taking away there money would go a long way.   Good grief --Some of these folks just need sex education about virgins. When I was of their age a virgin was not high on the list.  I wanted to learn from a pro. ---I digress

[ws23rt]

   
Yep.  After all the trouble we took to rightfully steal it from the native Americans, the native Mexicans went and swiped it back from us. 

And the Mexicans are not going to give it to the muslems when they decide to make a move. And neither am I.

[Mike DC]

 
Where is there any pressure to reduce the poor population?  The Corporate State LIKES having billions of them. 

[ws23rt]

 
Where is there any pressure to reduce the poor population?  The Corporate State LIKES having billions of them.  

Are the "Corporate States" adding to the numbers of the poor?   Are they providing a path from poverty?
These are tough questions indeed.

I have a simple mind and that is what I use for making my way. I see corporations as a confluence of the need for providing what the "tribe" needs and giving the tribe members a place to do their part (work).
Corporations are just very big mom and pop ventures.
As the size of an organization grows so does the obligation to provide what the consumers need in a lasting way.

The term "Corporate State" infers a collusion of some sort between business and gov.  Question--To what end?---
The head of a corporation gets there and stays just as long as they earn that spot.

In either case choosing someone to fill a top spot is handicapped by the only source. ---humans---Just like a box of chocolates --

[Mike DC]

Actually, large corporations behave like sociopaths.  AKA "Psychopaths".

There have been whole books & documentaries on this subject.  



They are like wild animals.  Not something to hate or destroy, just something to respect for what it is.  It only understands force.  It has no sense of morality about how it affects other people around it. 

[ACUDANUT]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/census-projects-81-surge-in-immigrants-78-million-by-2060/article/2557635

[moparnation74]

Actually, large corporations behave like sociopaths.  AKA "Psychopaths".

There have been whole books & documentaries on this subject.  



They are like wild animals.  Not something to hate or destroy, just something to respect for what it is.  It only understands force.  It has no sense of morality about how it affects other people around it. 

Unless you work with or for a large coroporation then it is difficult to understand. 

[twodko]

 

I worked for Disney/ABC for many years. This corporation epitomises
everything ugly corporate America is.

[Armudster]

 I live in Brazil, and we have a lot of Muslim immigration here, most of them come here to escape that tragic reality that they live in there countries, and are really good people, who normally opens businesses and employ brazilians, they tipically are even considered great bosses.

They are 100% against terrorism, and are the ones that suffers it the most. One of them gave me a Kuran and even though I am a person who does not belong to any religion, I´ve read it, and the whole book talks about peace, and severely condemns murder.

Problem is, there are countries that some fanatic assholes turn the teachings upside down and start brainwashing people that have weak character with bullshit propaganda. If you study it hard enough, you will see that it is a political movement, not a religion one.

These extremist terrorist not only kill a lot of innocents, but they always suported throughout history movements like socialism and even Hitler. I´m talking about groups like Isis, Hezbollah, Taliban, and a few others, there followers are nothing more than puppets who participate on a biggest agenda.

All these terrorist groups today, for example, are supporting Putin, North Korea, Venezuela and so on. Point is, muslims are not terrorists, but the terrorist groups are using it as an excuse to do all this shit. Look at countries like Dubai, Qatar, Saudi Arabia for example, they all have agreements with USA, and even Israel and are on the side of freedom.

As I always say, people forget that first and foremost, Jesus, Moses, Mohamed and many others were first and foremost messengers of peace. And sometimes it only takes a lunatic, to form a deranged following of weak minded people. 

[moparnation74]

I live in Brazil, and we have a lot of Muslim immigration here, most of them come here to escape that tragic reality that they live in there countries, and are really good people, who normally opens businesses and employ brazilians, they tipically are even considered great bosses.

They are 100% against terrorism, and are the ones that suffers it the most. One of them gave me a Kuran and even though I am a person who does not belong to any religion, I´ve read it, and the whole book talks about peace, and severely condemns murder.

Problem is, there are countries that some fanatic assholes turn the teachings upside down and start brainwashing people that have weak character with bullshit propaganda. If you study it hard enough, you will see that it is a political movement, not a religion one.

These extremist terrorist not only kill a lot of innocents, but they always suported throughout history movements like socialism and even Hitler. I´m talking about groups like Isis, Hezbollah, Taliban, and a few others, there followers are nothing more than puppets who participate on a biggest agenda.

All these terrorist groups today, for example, are supporting Putin, North Korea, Venezuela and so on. Point is, muslims are not terrorists, but the terrorist groups are using it as an excuse to do all this shit. Look at countries like Dubai, Qatar, Saudi Arabia for example, they all have agreements with USA, and even Israel and are on the side of freedom.

As I always say, people forget that first and foremost, Jesus, Moses, Mohamed and many others were first and foremost messengers of peace. And sometimes it only takes a lunatic, to form a deranged following of weak minded people. 

This is in reference to your Peace comment about Muhammed.  Look up the Battle of Badr. 

[Armudster]

 Yes, he was involved on some battles, but overall his messages were positive, it was a different time and era altogether, but my point was, with religion in general, sometimes its wiser to just learn, and pick the best parts of it and use it on your day-to-day life. These extremist are not religiously driven, they are a political movement, who uses religion as an alias for the same games of power that were always played througout history. It´s a shame, really.

[moparnation74]

Yes, he was involved on some battles, but overall his messages were positive, it was a different time and era altogether, but my point was, with religion in general, sometimes its wiser to just learn, and pick the best parts of it and use it on your day-to-day life. These extremist are not religiously driven, they are a political movement, who uses religion as an alias for the same games of power that were always played througout history. It´s a shame, really.

Armud,  your points are correct.  Not big disagreement there other than the peace/Muhammed example. 

And you are correct these extremists are shameful to the world.