WWII aviation mystery I've tried for years to solve

[AKcharger]

BF-109
- Produced in Higher numbers (34,000)
- Had More air-to -air kills
- Produced more Aces (many 100+)
- Flown Primarily by the highest scoring Aces in history Hartmann 353, Barkhorn 301 and Rall 275

Than any aircraft in History...bet ya' never heard that before but the winners write the history books :-)

[AKcharger]

Oh wait... the IL-2 beat the production #'s they had 36K built, but most were shot down by BF-109's :-)

[Drache]

BF-109
- Produced in Higher numbers (34,000)
- Had More air-to -air kills
- Produced more Aces (many 100+)
- Flown Primarily by the highest scoring Aces in history Hartmann 353, Barkhorn 301 and Rall 275

Than any aircraft in History...bet ya' never heard that before but the winners write the history books :-)

The only thing that stopped the BF-109 is the small fuel tanks. Over European soil they were fine. But flying all the way to Britain didn't leave much in the tanks for dog fighting to protect their bombers.

I remember reading that once over Britain, BF-109 pilots had only minutes to dog fight then start heading home or they wouldn't make it.

[Drache]

The mustang won in the overall speed of most Propeller Fighter planes in WWII. The 109 could easily out maneuver the Mustang with it's roll rate along with low speed handling.

They were matched competitors. Neither of them came out ahead of each other. 

[polywideblock]

the long nosed FW190 butcher bird was the nicest looking  piston driven  ww2 fighter       but the ME 262 was just plain beautiful

  allied fighter its gota be the p47  thunderbolt    followed by the British mosquito  no arguing with 4x 303's and 4x 20mm cannon 

[AKcharger]

Oh, never realized we had some Aircraft historians here...cool! I read a book "no room for error" about the birth of the Israeli Air Force. Amazing story of how they got old BF-109's and B-17's to start off their AF. So in 1947 BF-109's and Spitfires were still Squaring off!

[polywideblock]

getting slightly of topic  but on the same sort of thing, did you know that the Syrians used reconditioned panzer 4's and stug 3's against Israeli tanks . so during the 6 day war( 1967) panzers and Sherman's squared of against each other again     

[Troy]

Based on looks, I'd take a Corsair over just about any of them. I love P-47s too for some reason. I made a rubber band powered one out of balsa wood and tissue paper when I was a kid. Shaping that nose was a lot of fun!

Troy

[ACUDANUT]

F4u Corsair
P-51 mustang
P-38 Lighting

Beat any propeller driven plane in it's day.

[AKcharger]

getting slightly of topic  but on the same sort of thing, did you know that the Syrians used reconditioned panzer 4's and stug 3's against Israeli tanks . so during the 6 day war( 1967) panzers and Sherman's squared of against each other again     

No Way! never heard that! Cool!

[HPP]

Smithsonian channel has a neat show this season about the making of the movie "Fury". Seems they took the last remaining, running Tiger out in the field to film scenes with a couple of running Shermans. Said the crew was jaw dropping impressed with the size, sound, and motions of the originals squaring off again.

[Drache]

Smithsonian channel has a neat show this season about the making of the movie "Fury". Seems they took the last remaining, running Tiger out in the field to film scenes with a couple of running Shermans. Said the crew was jaw dropping impressed with the size, sound, and motions of the originals squaring off again.

Tiger 131! Would love to get to ride in it once before I day

[ACUDANUT]

Smithsonian channel has a neat show this season about the making of the movie "Fury". Seems they took the last remaining, running Tiger out in the field to film scenes with a couple of running Shermans. Said the crew was jaw dropping impressed with the size, sound, and motions of the originals squaring off again.

Tiger 131! Would love to get to ride in it once before I day

We sure had some piss poor tanks in WWII.  I have heard of D Day, but I day ? lol

[John_Kunkel]

the long nosed FW190 butcher bird was the nicest looking  piston driven  ww2 fighter    

You can keep a penny of that, no better looking/sounding piston warbird than the P-51D.

[Drache]

the long nosed FW190 butcher bird was the nicest looking  piston driven  ww2 fighter    

You can keep a penny of that, no better looking/sounding piston warbird than the P-51D.

Really? They sound nearly identical 

[polywideblock]

the long nosed FW190 butcher bird was the nicest looking  piston driven  ww2 fighter    

You can keep a penny of that, no better looking/sounding piston warbird than the P-51D.

just something about the lines of the FW 190      

                                                                               

of the  us fighters  I've   always been attracted to the p47 myself     sort of like our cars BIG and powerful  

[68CoronetRT]

I'm a HUGE WW2 aircraft buff. I do play this game online for free that is being developed by Russians. What I enjoy most about this game is that the developers post stories/monthly ace blogs. If you read through this link you can see alot of topics that might be of interest .http://warthunder.com/en/news/

I've actually learned alot about armament etc... just from playing the game. They also include planes that were prototypes which is cool to see, also alot of plane variations. In example the P-51-D30 and D5, the 109 F4/F4 Trop, E3, K4 etc etc...

Just reading through those blogs is cool in itself. They spend alot of time posting them.

Edit: Talking about the HS129, here is a write up about it. http://warthunder.com/en/news/2689-ugly-ducklings-hs-129-en

[ACUDANUT]

I'm a HUGE WW2 aircraft buff. I do play this game online for free that is being developed by Russians. What I enjoy most about this game is that the developers post stories/monthly ace blogs. If you read through this link you can see alot of topics that might be of interest .http://warthunder.com/en/news/

I've actually learned alot about armament etc... just from playing the game. They also include planes that were prototypes which is cool to see, also alot of plane variations. In example the P-51-D30 and D5, the 109 F4/F4 Trop, E3, K4 etc etc...

Just reading through those blogs is cool in itself. They spend alot of time posting them.

Edit: Talking about the HS129, here is a write up about it. http://warthunder.com/en/news/2689-ugly-ducklings-hs-129-en

What is this free web site.? Where do you live, it's not listed in your profile. Is it top secret or something..?  What harm does it do to list a state or country. Are you launching a Web. Worm ?  Are you a commie spy ?

[Drache]

I'm a HUGE WW2 aircraft buff. I do play this game online for free that is being developed by Russians. What I enjoy most about this game is that the developers post stories/monthly ace blogs. If you read through this link you can see alot of topics that might be of interest .http://warthunder.com/en/news/

Was in the closed beta. Now helping beta test the tanks section 

[68CoronetRT]

What is this free web site.? Where do you live, it's not listed in your profile. Is it top secret or something..?  What harm does it do to list a state or country. Are you launching a Web. Worm ?  Are you a commie spy ?
[/quote]

Huh? lol. I'm from Socal. It's a game... chill out.

I'm a HUGE WW2 aircraft buff. I do play this game online for free that is being developed by Russians. What I enjoy most about this game is that the developers post stories/monthly ace blogs. If you read through this link you can see alot of topics that might be of interest .http://warthunder.com/en/news/

Was in the closed beta. Now helping beta test the tanks section 

Very cool! It does teach you alot about planes and whatnot...

[ACUDANUT]

I was teasing.  Do you have a link to the site ?

[Drache]

I was teasing.  Do you have a link to the site ?

www.warthunder.com

[ACUDANUT]

Ok, so I have to "create an account", then what do I do ?
Is it man vs. machine, or man vs. man. ?
Thanks

[Drache]

Ok, so I have to "create an account", then what do I do ?
Is it man vs. machine, or man vs. man. ?
Thanks

You download the game. It's man vs. man

You either can fight using Planes or Tanks. Soon they will bring in Ships as well.

[John_Kunkel]

Along the lines of the OP, another story we all know bites the dust.

http://www.warhistoryonline.com/war-articles/memphis-belle-v-b-24-hot-stuff-history-came-celebrate-wrong-wwii-warbird.html