$25,000 rust

[marshallfry01]

http://m.ebay.com/itm/291296081005?nav=SEARCH
I was looking at this car on eBay and noticed the add said it has rust on the rear rails and on the torsion bar cross member. Who in the hell would bid over 25k for a 318 car with rusty rails/unibody??? I know the prices for the 69's are out of the roof.... But this one takes the cake. There is some serious money and work involved when it comes to that unibody repair. It doesn't say but I think it may be an SE. It has the woodgrain dash and chrome around the pedals  Looks like the SE badge has been removed though if it really is one.

But anyway.... Am I crazy or is that a normal price for a rusty unibody 69 in driver condition?

[Challenger340]

Nope,
You are not crazy, the stoopid price issue has been discussed on here more than a few times lately ?
Lots of disbelief ?

53 bids up to $25K plus, for a 1969 Charger with the SE pkg., including rusted out framerail and Torsion bar mount, 318 powered, with pictures from 2008 ? 

Not enough people wearing their tin-foil hats I guess ? maybe something in the drinking water system ? who knows for sure..... but it must be contagious ?

[JB400]

Maybe they're not reading the description.

[Mike DC]

     
   
It looks like a prime candidate for a quickie GL paintjob for reselling purposes.  I wonder if there are bidders thinking with that in mind.  The car APPEARS nice and there's a fresh tan interior already there. 

The pics appear to be from 2008.  I wonder what may have changed.



Maybe we're overthinking it.  It could always just be shill bidding by friends of the seller. 


 

[Ghoste]

It does say its a dang good car (even if he is keeping his Dixie horns).

[keith88]

The add says that the date stamp is wrong so they are probably recent photos, that being said i paid 25k for mine last year(with a 318) it needed work but was not told. Theses cars are bringing higher and higher prices. But this dose seem a bit high on the price. 

[TUFCAT]

If it can start, and drive the road it seems like its worth a minimum of $20K right there. 

[Ghoste]

Seems like that the asking rate anyway.  Ask Cooter how many people are actually willing to spend that much.

[6spd68]

If it can start, and drive the road it seems like its worth a minimum of $20K right there. 

Seems to be the growing trend with our cars

[lukedukem]

     
   
It looks like a prime candidate for a quickie GL paintjob for reselling purposes.  I wonder if there are bidders thinking with that in mind.  The car APPEARS nice and there's a fresh tan interior already there. 

The pics appear to be from 2008.  I wonder what may have changed.



Maybe we're overthinking it.  It could always just be shill bidding by friends of the seller. 


 

luke

[marshallfry01]

If it wasn't for the rust, it would be a nice driver. I love saddle tan interiors 

[F8-4life]

That is one dull looking charger.

[69rtse4spd]

Looks like a new drive shaft, but why. . Looks like a tripel tan S.E. I bought back in the day, just to get the N.O.S. front frnders when nobody was repoping them. Had a perfect interior, & got it running, sol it to a guy in town for 400.00 paid 600.00 for it. If I just would have had the room back then, oh well hind sight is always 20/20.   

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[marshallfry01]

Thanks for the pics tan top! 

[HANDM]

Makes me wish that I had my fender tag, my car was a tan top, tan interior gold paint SE. 
If I ever find the tag, the next owner will be stoked to restore it back to original.

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

Looks like an awesome candidate for a General Lee 

[Dino]

I like it.  It needs some restructuring but would be a great driver.  Lose the rims and the floor mats and enjoy!

[Cooter]

Seems like that the asking rate anyway.  Ask Cooter how many people are actually willing to spend that much.

Every one I met/played phone tag with, was the crotchetiest, whiney, over the top, beeyotch once they found out my cars flaws. Many are willing to attempt to get your hard work and money for peanuts these days. Seems $7500.00 is the buyers spending power for a true low mileage, 440 6, 4-spd, dana car, with 999 code paint.

I mighta shot myself in the foot, but the latest guy was calling from NC. I flat out told him the deal. I was fed up with idiots and car was no longer for sale. He sounded disappointed as he claimed he had the money.

[73rallye440magnum]

Seems like that the asking rate anyway.  Ask Cooter how many people are actually willing to spend that much.

Every one I met/played phone tag with, was the crotchetiest, whiney, over the top, beeyotch once they found out my cars flaws. Many are willing to attempt to get your hard work and money for peanuts these days. Seems $7500.00 is the buyers spending power for a true low mileage, 440 6, 4-spd, dana car, with 999 code paint.

I mighta shot myself in the foot, but the latest guy was calling from NC. I flat out told him the deal. I was fed up with idiots and car was no longer for sale. He sounded disappointed as he claimed he had the money.

Will $8500 change your mind? 

[Dino]

I really don't understand how you have such a hard time selling that car.  I get solid offers far exceeding $20K quite regularly and my car is not exactly mint.

[Cooter]

I really don't understand how you have such a hard time selling that car.  I get solid offers far exceeding $20K quite regularly and my car is not exactly mint.

Haven't really tried all that hard. I did have one kid offer $18k for it, but the 'reconstructed vehicle' title issue shot that in the head quick. No matter, I think I got my ol Dart sold for more so....There's my new shop..

[Ghoste]

Title is a big deal to a lot of people but it isn't like you have ever misrepresented it either.

[Dino]

I really don't understand how you have such a hard time selling that car.  I get solid offers far exceeding $20K quite regularly and my car is not exactly mint.

Haven't really tried all that hard. I did have one kid offer $18k for it, but the 'reconstructed vehicle' title issue shot that in the head quick. No matter, I think I got my ol Dart sold for more so....There's my new shop..

Alright I could see that being an issue in some states, still nothing unsurpassable but a nuisance at the least.  Glad to hear you get to keep the ride and get your shop.   

[1974dodgecharger]

They all have the money when u don't want to sell and have no money when u want to sell.....Bastards.

Seems like that the asking rate anyway.  Ask Cooter how many people are actually willing to spend that much.

Every one I met/played phone tag with, was the crotchetiest, whiney, over the top, beeyotch once they found out my cars flaws. Many are willing to attempt to get your hard work and money for peanuts these days. Seems $7500.00 is the buyers spending power for a true low mileage, 440 6, 4-spd, dana car, with 999 code paint.

I mighta shot myself in the foot, but the latest guy was calling from NC. I flat out told him the deal. I was fed up with idiots and car was no longer for sale. He sounded disappointed as he claimed he had the money.

[Mike DC]

The car titling setup in the USA need overhauling so badly.  The car hobby has gradually created more & more oddball situations that the existing setups just don't allow for. 

[Ghoste]

Sorry Mike but how 0do you mean?

[Mike DC]

There are variations from state-to-state that make our heads spin.  In some cases it basically allows "title-washing".

Some places sell brand new replacement bodies with little chunks of original bodies welded into them just for the formality of it. 

Cars with "salvage titles" lose tons of value even though some of them have been restored to better condition than half the non-salvaged cars on the road.  We need another classification to recognize a resto that goes above-and-beyond standard collision work.

We have people building hybrid and custom-built creations that have to (or it's less trouble to) register them as one of the donor cars for paperwork reasons. 

We have (non-stolen) project cars with missing titles & VINs, and the paperwork cost/trouble it causes can be enough to push their value over the edge so they don't get fixed.  Etc. 




Along the lines of the salvage title point - The classic car hobby has been screwed up over rebodying cars for decades. 

The problem is that the law only sees two possibilities, either a car is original or else the VIN has been changed for theft purposes.  We need a third classification - how about "rebodied 100% accurately, officially replacing the original"?  I think the car hobby would have been much better off if another classification like this had existed. 

Its not about destroying the status of an original car.  It's recognizing the difference between rebirthing a classic car that is realistically wasted, versus what happens to a stolen car at a chop-shop.  There would have been far fewer fraudulent rebody-jobs in the last 20 years if people had another legal & honorable option that didn't lose all the collectible value.

[stripedelete]

Good stuff.  But, what is the percentage of the American fleet does it constitute. 
My guess is way less than 1% and getting smaller.

[500Jon]

Hi Mike DC,
The sins of the few are suffered by the many!
The whole Classic Car Industry needs looking at.
Forget the Chop-shops and shade-tree mechanics here in Chargerland.

A friend of mine paid $50,000 for a restored Mopar off Ebay.
She looked mighty fine when she showed up, BUT, the color was NAFF.
So a repaint was in order and SHOCK HORROR it was a Bondo nightmare!!!
Is this a better or worse situation than a well-done rebody?
Another slightly different scenario was a 69 R/T Charger here in the UK.
Bought as a real R/T but was in fact a 318 car once the rear vin was exposed.
As there are no bodywork mods for R/T's then how can you ever tell?
5J

ps I don't think a rebody done professionally is the issue here?
Its the Chop-shops stealing cars for rebodying that's the problem!!!