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What is a 67 TNT 440 worth?

Started by Kern Dog, October 05, 2014, 11:00:23 PM

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Kern Dog

I'm getting a 67 Chrysler 300 with its original engine, a TNT 440 4 barrel. It has the Magnum manifolds and full dual exhaust. I'm told these engines had the closed chamber 915 heads too. The engine has not ran for many years but is complete and still in the car.
I have no carb or air cleaner but otherwise, it is all there. I plan to part out the car and currently do not need another 440 since I still have 3 here at home.
What is a fair price? The buyer should assume it to be a rebuildable core. My thoughts are that it should be worth more than a 68-71 440 magnum. The engine will come with the exhaust manifolds.

darkside

if its a good engine and turns over freely  i've seen them go for $700-1000 range about the same as   67-70 hp motors.

WINGMAN

 The manifolds will only fit c-bodys, 906 heads flow more as the valves are not shouded. Still a good one to have as 440 are hard to find as 1976 was the last year that they were made.   (Wingman)
69 Daytona XX29L9B409032 , 02 Ram Cummins,

Kern Dog

Thanks Wingman, but the 440 was built through 1978. I have a 1978 Trail Duster with a 440. Original engine, casting date 4-21-78.

c00nhunterjoe


Challenger340

Quote from: Kern Dog on October 05, 2014, 11:00:23 PM
I'm getting a 67 Chrysler 300 with its original engine, a TNT 440 4 barrel. It has the Magnum manifolds and full dual exhaust. I'm told these engines had the closed chamber 915 heads too. The engine has not ran for many years but is complete and still in the car.
I have no carb or air cleaner but otherwise, it is all there. I plan to part out the car and currently do not need another 440 since I still have 3 here at home.
What is a fair price? The buyer should assume it to be a rebuildable core. My thoughts are that it should be worth more than a 68-71 440 magnum. The engine will come with the exhaust manifolds.

IMO,
the "1967" with "915" Heads, HP Manifolds, etc.,  adds no more than the sum of it's parts in total as a core.
that said;
* the 1967 Blocks are non side-webbed, less rigidity than their '68 and later brethren, and usually command less money than '68 and later for anyone who recognizes what they are looking at.
If in good shape and std bore ~$300 open market, up to maybe $5-600 for someone who has to have a "1967" block for resto purposes.

* the "915" Heads are pretty much a one-year resto performance piece, valuable to someone with a 1967 ONLY project, willing to spend the money rebuilding them back to serviceable condition... if they are still rebuildable ? 
With factory 1.74" exhaust valves in rebuildable shape maybe $400 pr.... if factory 1.60" exhaust then less.

* Forged Crank is fine if still std/std... but then again only for a std 440 build..... $200.

* as mentioned... the "C" body hp exhaust manifolds FIT on C-Body's only ?  'nuff said.

While it is always nice to find relatively complete cores from that era due to the continuity with bracketry, pulleys, bolts, etc., it's only real value above any other core, targets restorers etc of 1967 only Coronet R/T's and GTX's .... and it would not be numbers matching obviously, just potentially "date code" correct.
IMO,
$700- $1,000 to the right guy. 
Only wimps wear Bowties !

Kern Dog

Thanks. Regarding the "numbers matching" reference, 1967 cars didn't have their VIN stamped into the block. The way I understand it, a 67 model with a date coded engine is as close as you could be to having the "right engine". I also heard that the engine casting should PREdate the car build date between two months and two weeks, give or take.

Kern Dog

Bummer deal: The car ended up having a replacement engine dated 4-4-68. The Magnum exhaust manifolds have cracks too. One bright spot: The axle has a 3.23 Sure Grip differential! In the trunk I found a console among the many rat turds and chewed foam bits.

Cooter

Many folks today only buy used 440's for basically, the block. Everything else (unless you find a numbers cruncher) is aftermarket.
" I have spent thousands of dollars and countless hours researching what works and what doesn't and I'm willing to share"

c00nhunterjoe

Quote from: Cooter on October 21, 2014, 07:34:34 AM
Many folks today only buy used 440's for basically, the block. Everything else (unless you find a numbers cruncher) is aftermarket.

I agree.

GreenMachine

Quote from: Cooter on October 21, 2014, 07:34:34 AM
Many folks today only buy used 440's for basically, the block. Everything else (unless you find a numbers cruncher) is aftermarket.

Along with the steel crank, pulleys and brackets on '72 and earlier engines.

I bought a running '68 300 a few months ago. Mine's a non HP, going by the filter housing and exhaust manifolds anyway, haven't checked the pad, A/C compressor is in the way.
If it ain't broke, fix it 'till it is.

Challenger340

Quote from: Cooter on October 21, 2014, 07:34:34 AM
Many folks today only buy used 440's for basically, the block. Everything else (unless you find a numbers cruncher) is aftermarket.

That's all we have been doing with 440 core engine purchases for decades, buy them, strip them for the Block and some "hardware", pitch the rest in the metal bin.
Very sad, but what else could we do with the rest of the stuff ? In our end of things..... just junk !

For those that may have followed the "lowly 440" builds I posted here ?
The only reason we did a few of those really, was just to use up some very "dusty", but nice old Forged 440 Cranks/Rods we had laying around forever, that we just didn't have the heart to pitch.
Only wimps wear Bowties !

Kern Dog

One thing that I have wondered about for a few years:
If there are so  many people ditching the stock cranks in the 400s and 440s to build stroked engines, why do all the cam companies STILL use the "383-440" heading in theirr listings? Wouldn't you think that they would have had a segment for stroked engines?

Cooter

Quote from: Kern Dog on October 22, 2014, 11:29:52 PM
One thing that I have wondered about for a few years:
If there are so  many people ditching the stock cranks in the 400s and 440s to build stroked engines, why do all the cam companies STILL use the "383-440" heading in theirr listings? Wouldn't you think that they would have had a segment for stroked engines?

Cause inevitably,  some dumbass will call up with something like this...

"Well, I didn't know mopar made a 496. I have just a 440 in my Charger and that cam will be too big"
" I have spent thousands of dollars and countless hours researching what works and what doesn't and I'm willing to share"

Kern Dog

There are some real dumb asses out there, I will agree there.