Gunman at Canadian Parliament

[Drache]

Man walked up and shot a Canadian Forces Soldier while he was standing guard at the Memorial outside Parliament killing him. Then rushed inside the Parliament building and has shot at least one more person. Gunman still on the loose:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/parliament-shooting/article21217602/

[Shakey]

Sad to hear news like this.   

[Drache]

Turns out to be two or three gunman! One gunman dead, another fled on a motorcycle. Reports of shots at a Hotel nearby though. Whether that was the Second gunman or a third (the Hotel is where all the people from Parliament stay) is unclear at this time.

[Chargen69]

wait a minute, i thought Canada had strict gun laws??   

[Shakey]

wait a minute, i thought Canada had strict gun laws??   

Tell us what you know about our gun laws please.

Not trying to be a dick, but curious as to how familiar others are about gun laws in Canada.   

[RoscoePColtrain]

Oh, we do have very strict gun laws, but in Canada, criminals have more rights than law-abiding citizens... and their "excuse"?... not criminally responsible due to mental illness... Big load of f-ing BS!

[el dub]

Oh, we do have very strict gun laws, but in Canada, criminals have more rights than law-abiding citizens... and their "excuse"?... not criminally responsible due to mental illness... Big load of f-ing BS!

Pretty much the same in the California especially the part about the criminals.

[John_Kunkel]

wait a minute, i thought Canada had strict gun laws??   

Tell us what you know about our gun laws please.

Not trying to be a dick, but curious as to how familiar others are about gun laws in Canada.   

Here's your chance to shine, tell us about your gun laws and how they prevent gun violence.

[Mytur Binsdirti]

wait a minute, i thought Canada had strict gun laws??   

Tell us what you know about our gun laws please.

Not trying to be a dick, but curious as to how familiar others are about gun laws in Canada.   

You must be a transplanted Cannuck; I don't see any "eh's" in your sentences.

[Shakey]

wait a minute, i thought Canada had strict gun laws??   

Tell us what you know about our gun laws please.

Not trying to be a dick, but curious as to how familiar others are about gun laws in Canada.   

Here's your chance to shine, tell us about your gun laws and how they prevent gun violence.

Truth be told, I don't know much about our gun laws at all.   

From what I hear/read/know (and I don't read that much about gun laws), guns are not readily available to the citizens.

Always been fascinated with guns, I am a really good shot (my US friends tell me I am one of the best they have seen) but never owned a gun or attempted to own a gun.

I was/am curious as to what citizens of other countries know/think about our gun laws and from what you wrote, it seems, some think our Government is foolish to not allow the common man to be armed.

As stated, wasn't trying to be a wise a$$ but was curious eh!   

[Drache]

Canada has three tiers of guns:

Non-Restricted - Don't have to be registered with the Government.

Restricted - According to the Criminal Code, a restricted firearm is:

~a handgun that is not a prohibited firearm,
~a firearm that
        is not a prohibited firearm,
        has a barrel less than 470 mm in length, and
        is capable of discharging centre-fire ammunition in a semi-automatic manner,
~a firearm that is designed or adapted to be fired when reduced to a length of less than 660 mm by folding, telescoping or otherwise, or
~a firearm of any other kind that is prescribed to be a restricted firearm

Restricted firearms must be registered with the Government. You need approval from the Government to move them out of your home (Authorization to Transport), and can only take them to Government approved shooting ranges.

Prohibited - According to the Criminal Code, a prohibited firearm is:

~a handgun that
        has a barrel equal to or less than 105 mm in length, or
        is designed or adapted to discharge a 25 or 32 calibre cartridge, but does not include any such handgun that is prescribed, where the handgun is for use in international sporting competitions governed by the rules of the International Shooting Union,
~a firearm that is adapted from a rifle or shotgun, whether by sawing, cutting or any other alteration, and that, as so adapted,
        is less than 660 mm in length, or
        is 660 mm or greater in length and has a barrel less than 457 mm in length,
~an automatic firearm, whether or not it has been altered to discharge only one projectile with one pressure of the trigger, or
~any firearm that is prescribed to be a prohibited firearm

You need a special license to buy prohibited firearms and you cannot apply for one. You have to be Grandfathered in (IE you or your parents must have had firearms that became prohibited in 1969). These guns cannot leave the home to be fired at all.

[Chargen69]

wait a minute, i thought Canada had strict gun laws??   

Tell us what you know about our gun laws please.

Not trying to be a dick, but curious as to how familiar others are about gun laws in Canada.   

i know that if they find one in your car crossing the border you go to jail

[Brads70]

It runs deeper....
http://pamelageller.com/2013/09/canada-firefighter-dies-after-muslim-attempts-to-behead-him-without-provocationi-n-toronto-cafe.html/

http://www.tlvfaces.com/shocking-canada-mosque-teaches-4-year-old-behead-video-2/


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/martin-rouleau-quebec-driver-shot-by-police-radicalized-rcmp-1.2806104

[Drache]

It runs deeper....
http://pamelageller.com/2013/09/canada-firefighter-dies-after-muslim-attempts-to-behead-him-without-provocationi-n-toronto-cafe.html/

http://www.tlvfaces.com/shocking-canada-mosque-teaches-4-year-old-behead-video-2/


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/martin-rouleau-quebec-driver-shot-by-police-radicalized-rcmp-1.2806104

The hit and run on the Soldiers IS connected. ISIS tweeted a photo of the gunman and even identified him. That same Tweeter account was followed by the guy who did the hit and run.

[bordin34]

Your laws sound a lot like our NFA laws.

[polywideblock]

its not just you guys over there  

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/man-shot-dead-two-counterterrorism-officers-stabbed-outside-endeavour-hills-police-station/story-fni0fee2-1227068293410?nk=9878fa3f7e9aad8ad2b3157e20073306


and we have very tough gun laws in Australia   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Australia  second only to Briton I believe      

                                               feels like the world is building up to something    

[myk]

Gun control doesn't work; it never has, it never will.  All it ever does is leave people defenseless and just waiting to get slaughtered helplessly by bullies and cowards that will only prey on those that can't fight back.  Only thing you can do is try to level the playing field by letting law abiding citizens defend themselves.  Remember this: an armed society is a polite one...

[Drache]

A powerful picture! Both soldiers on guard duty that day at the Memorial had UNLOADED C7A2 rifles... here they laid while Cpl. Nathan Cirillo received CPR in the background. Fatally shot in the chest....

[Dreamcar]

My thoughts and prayers go out to this week's victims and their families families.

I work four blocks from where this happened. Spent the day in lockdown. Business as usual today..."we will not be intimidated"

[Shakey]

an armed society is a polite one...

I've heard this one before and I sometimes wonder if it would be true or not.   

I can't help but think of the western movies where a guy is in a saloon and steps on another guys foot by mistake and then there is a gunfight in the street.  Next scene, the town coffin builder is grabbing his hammer and nails and adding two more to the list of jobs for the day.   

[Ghoste]

Western movies, hell go to modern day Compton or in Detroit around say, Livernois and 94 and try it.  Or for that matter any American inner city or gang infested area and see well politeness thrives.
(incidentally, the unarmed Canadians are rightly or wrongly stereotyped as being among the most polite nations around)

[Chargen69]

an armed society is a polite one...

I've heard this one before and I sometimes wonder if it would be true or not.   

I can't help but think of the western movies where a guy is in a saloon and steps on another guys foot by mistake and then there is a gunfight in the street.  Next scene, the town coffin builder is grabbing his hammer and nails and adding two more to the list of jobs for the day.   

All I know is I am Happy to live in South Carolina, where if you have the chance to get the drop on somebody breaking in your house, you can freely get rid of them without fear of going to jail.  The only place I would rather live than here would be Texas.

[Mytur Binsdirti]

When will the leaders of western civilized countries get their heads out of their asses and stop this PC crap and call these Muslim bastards and their religion for what they really are; terrorists and the religion of hate and death. Islam at the very least is certainly the worlds largest death cult. Just imagine the death toll if they were not so "peaceful".   


Bill Maher is a big-time douche, but at least he realizes that Islam is a major problem, unlike his guest....

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/ben-affleck-calls-bill-maher-views-islam-gross-racist-disgusting-article-1.1963961

[Ghoste]

No kidding.  They've declared war on us.  Publicly announced it, several times, used the word "WAR".  Declared it on us.  And the west keeps saying, "well, you know we were kind of mean to them, we need to be more understanding and tolerant and then they'll like us".
Kind of like Chamberlain and Hitler.

[el dub]

Are the wrong people in office? Or is the population overreacting because of the media. Or how come all us Joe Blows feel one way and the ones running the country feel the opposite. Of course they don't read the newspaper or listen to the news for their information.

[Mike DC]

No kidding.  They've declared war on us.  Publicly announced it, several times, used the word "WAR".  Declared it on us.  And the west keeps saying, "well, you know we were kind of mean to them, we need to be more understanding and tolerant and then they'll like us".
Kind of like Chamberlain and Hitler.

Who ever says we need to be more forgiving of extremists like ISIS & Taliban?  That's not the same thing as saying we should try to forge a better relationship with a quarter of the human race. 

I would agree that there is a certain amount of "We should be more understanding of them" among one side of the political spectrum.  That's not surprising, considering that there is also a certain amount of "We should just nuke & pave that whole region" among the other side. 


As for wars & religion, groups of people declare war on the USA all the time.  The declaration itself doesn't prove we need to do a lot about it.  It depends on the size of the threat.  ISIS/Taliban needs attention but it's not just because they declared war.  And IMO the whole religion angle is more like an excuse for what is basically a geopolitical struggle.    

[Mytur Binsdirti]

As for wars & religion, groups of people declare war on the USA all the time.  

I can't think of anyone else who has declared war on the US in recent years.

The declaration itself doesn't prove we need to do a lot about it.  It depends on the size of the threat.  ISIS/Taliban needs attention but it's not just because they declared war.  

It may not be a country that has declared war on us, but "some" of the members from a religion that has 2.2 billion believers are engaged in killing thousands of people in the name of their religion, that's a major problem. Especially, considering that there is no outcry from the rest of the "peaceful" Muslim population.

And IMO the whole religion angle is more like an excuse for what is basically a geopolitical struggle.    

All Muslims are not terrorists, but just about all of the terrorism in the world is committed by Muslims.

[Ponch ®]

Western movies, hell go to modern day Compton or in Detroit around say, Livernois and 94 and try it.  Or for that matter any American inner city or gang infested area and see well politeness thrives.
(incidentally, the unarmed Canadians are rightly or wrongly stereotyped as being among the most polite nations around)

Dude, need to update your list of go to cities to namecheck when talking about high crime, destitute areas.

Compton is actually...I don't want to go as far as saying "nice", but its certainly not the epitome of urban decay and violence it once was. There are a LOT worse places even in middle America, trust me. Lots of college educated, upwardly mobile, high income - esp. 2nd-3rd gen hispanics - young people are moving into that area and turning it around.

But your point is taken and I must digress...

[twodko]

Si mon.

[Mike DC]

It may not be a country that has declared war on us, but "some" of the members from a religion that has 2.2 billion believers are engaged in killing thousands of people in the name of their religion, that's a major problem. Especially, considering that there is no outcry from the rest of the "peaceful" Muslim population.

The vast, vast majority of people killed by extremist Muslim terrorism are the "peaceful" Muslim population.

All Muslims are not terrorists, but just about all of the terrorism in the world is committed by Muslims.

That's the popular idea over here.  Check some good unbiased long-term data and see what you find. 

[Ghoste]

Dude, need to update your list of go to cities to namecheck when talking about high crime, destitute areas.

Compton is actually...I don't want to go as far as saying "nice", But your point is taken and I must digress...

Fair enough lol.  The last time I was in LA was over a year ago and all my time was spent in Beverly Hills and Burbank.  I hold firm on Livernois in Detroit.

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Looks like another home-grown jihadist has struck in NYC....

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/23/us/new-york-police-attacked/index.html